UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk

[tomazbodner]

OK, it's Sunday night or rather Monday morning for UK as well now... So? Drama over? Or all the threats and deadlines ignored and still throwing what comes out of the rear end of the bull at each other?

[sandyf]

17 hours ago, vinny41 said:

REGULATION OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL on common rules ensuring basic road freight and road passenger connectivity following the end of the transition period mentioned in the Agreement

 

A level playing field requires that, even after the end of the transition period, the United Kingdom continues to apply sufficiently high

 

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/brexit_files/com_826_1_en_act_part1_v1.pdf

 

https://ec.europa.eu/info/publications/communication-commission-limited-contingency-measures-absence-agreement-future-partnership-united-kingdom_en

Although the detailed text refers to a definition of "level playing field" it is not in the context you would prefer to believe. The words used with respect to the regulation are

"lays down a flexible mechanism"

This flexible mechanism, as stated in the regulation, must be in accordance with the Withdrawal Agreement, something that the UK is already legally obliged to.

 

You seem to be confused, and probably others, between the level playing field obligations in the WA, already done and dusted, and the level playing field being negotiated with respect to trade.

[JonnyF]

35 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

it’s not uncontrolled that’s all in your head and the vast majority will be paying their taxes so what else is it ? Colour ? 
 

Do you want all travellers to leave too ? 
 

 

 

It's hardly controlled when they're coming over in Dinghy's, many drowning on the journey (including children).

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/migrant-deaths-english-channel-crossing-children-charity-warning-b1395800.html

 

 

It's this illegal immigration I have an issue with. I'm not a huge fan of illegal immigrants coming to the country and claiming benefits that I would prefer spent on old age pensioners, education and the NHS. I am fine with legal immigration as long as the immigrants meet the specified criteria in terms of skills, background checks, education etc. I favour a points based system like Australia.

 

No, colour wouldn't be part of the criteria but you already know that. A very disingenuous way to imply I'm racist though, Bravo you must be so pleased with yourself for sneaking that in, not too subtle though????. English speaking would be a criteria as would be a willingness to integrate. 

 

Travellers? I have no issue with travellers. Actually did a bit of backpacking myself around SE Asia in my gap year back in 98 ????.

[transam]

47 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do enlighten us, what law has Lord Heseltine broken that you want him in prison, beyond of course holding and expressing beliefs you don’t agree with?

 

 

 

 

A lot of Welsh folk would disagree with you......

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

A lot of Welsh folk would disagree with you......

Oh, so he broke some Welsh law did he?

[transam]

18 hours ago, david555 said:

you really can not help it  .... i told you before ...,your  ww1 an ww2 syndrome .... they have med's for that you know ? ????

Seems Brits live always in the past ..... dont you have a future in mind ? The present looks to grim anyway ????

Both my grandparents succumbed to the affects of mustard gas and frost bite in WWI somewhere near where you come from, in WWII my father's injuries changed the course of my life, and you want me to forget. There are many countries in your EU that want us to forget their sh_t.

 

Yes I do have a future in mind, which doesn't involve being tied to your lot. 

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh, so he broke some Welsh law did he?

No, but he broke a lot of Welsh folk. Go read up on Heseltine's history....????

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Both my grandparents succumbed to the affects of mustard gas and frost bite in WWI somewhere near where you come from, in WWII my father's injuries changed the course of my life, and you want me to forget. There are many countries in your EU that want us to forget their sh_t.

 

Yes I do have a future in mind, which doesn't involve being tied to your lot. 

Then you might want to equate yourself to some of the ideas behind uniting Europe, especially those around removing the causes of wars between European nations.

[transam]

1 hour ago, Bruntoid said:

it’s not uncontrolled that’s all in your head and the vast majority will be paying their taxes so what else is it ? Colour ? 
 

Do you want all travellers to leave too ? 
 

 

And why not, that would solve a lot of UK locals a lot of grief, plus caravan thefts will be reduced by 99%......????

[david555]

1 hour ago, petermik said:

Once you are out completely, even if it is on WTO-terms, you may well look back on 2020 as the year in which you managed to escape the dead hand of Brussels and regain your role as a global player with a distinctly more liberal, more entrepreneur-friendly and hence more attractive and innovative place to do business.

A kind of Singapore on Thames is exactly what is feared most in Berlin and this is why Germany will do everything it takes to avoid a trade war and to get Monsieur Barnier and France off their high horse.

It seems BJ is holding the far better cards....

So why he prefer still negotiate with E U.  while Singapore on Thames is waiting for him ????.....come on try better excuses .....we are not as his blind sheep electorate.......

Do the Conservatives has really no better persons than this one ...as a Pm .?????

 

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

No, but he broke a lot of Welsh folk. Go read up on Heseltine's history....????

Any thing Heseltine ‘did to to the Welsh’ was done as a minister in a Tory Government, a fact many Welsh seem to have forgotten by the time of the last election.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Then you might want to equate yourself to some of the ideas behind uniting Europe, especially those around removing the causes of wars between European nations.

Thought we did that with a very large output bombs...Plus you forget, we are members of military groups to keep things calm, the UK will still be in those groups. Unless you know something I don't know...

[transam]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

So why he prefer still negotiate with E U.  while Singapore on Thames is waiting for him ????.....come on try better excuses .....we are not as his blind sheep electorate.......

Do the Conservatives has really no better persons than this one ...as a Pm .?????

 

 

 

 

 

I think you are getting yourself all confused, Boris Johnson was made PM not so long ago, he called an election to see in the populace backed him to continue with Brexit, now YOU tell me what happened.

I am sure you can do that because you are on here every day spouting your stuff, so tell me what the UK populace voted for with Boris at the helm..?

[CorpusChristie]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

So it was the EU who asked for an extension? The EU is not forcing the UK to continue talking. It is not forcing the UK to negotiate. The UK is free to cease negotiating any time it wants to. Take it up with Boris.

 

  Look, both side want to continue the talks , its rather stupid of one side to suggest they have the upper hand because the other side is still in talks with them .

  Both the UK and the EU both want a deal and the UK has recently signed numerous deals with various other Countries , which shows that the UK is reasonable with their requirements .

   No other Country has played hard ball like the E.U.

[david555]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Smacks of desperation quoting the ultra remainer Heseltine who has had nearly 1 million pounds in subsidies for his businesses from the EU. Wonder why he wants the UK to stay and overturn a democratic referendum.  The man should be in Gaol and like many who had their heads i the trough from the HoL is an embarrassment to the country..

A conservative  who speak straight trueth is rare to find , but seems anyway to exists this day's.... there is some hope for them ????

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Thought we did that with a very large output bombs...Plus you forget, we are members of military groups to keep things calm, the UK will still be in those groups. Unless you know something I don't know...

1. There you go with the ‘we’ bit, you had no part in any of WWII, other perhaps than watching black and white war movies. 

 

2. Membership of ‘military groups’ was a significant factor in the start and spread of both world wars. 

 

 

[CorpusChristie]

5 hours ago, luckyluke said:

"Retailers have urged the public not to panic buy over the prospect of a no deal with the EU." 

- The Sun-13th.December-

 

Why does the Retailers think the U.K.public will panic when no deal? 

 

It seems that they think the U.K.public does not trust their government when these proclaim that everything will be fine in the U.K., even with a no-deal. 

 

   Retail groups have asked people not to panic buy , which will cause the public to be concerned and then resort to panic buying .............and the retail groups enjoy huge profits 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Look, both side want to continue the talks , its rather stupid of one side to suggest they have the upper hand because the other side is still in talks with them .

  Both the UK and the EU both want a deal and the UK has recently signed numerous deals with various other Countries , which shows that the UK is reasonable with their requirements .

   No other Country has played hard ball like the E.U.

The stupid bit was making an empty threat to ‘walk away’.

 

 

[CorpusChristie]

3 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 
 

You left already. Dont remember? 

 

  Was referring to the current talks , was suggesting the talks should finish and the separation can be finalised 

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The stupid bit was making an empty threat to ‘walk away’.

 

 

 

  Both sides had an agreement that Sunday would be the last day of talks , both sides were due to "walk away"

[CorpusChristie]

24 minutes ago, david555 said:

So why he prefer still negotiate with E U.  while Singapore on Thames is waiting for him

 

 

 

  Do you understand what was meant by the term "Singapore on Thames " ?

[CharlieH]

Personal flame removed.

 

ONCE AGAIN do not make your comments personal, they will be removed, persist and so will you be. FINAL WARNING.

[david555]

9 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Do you understand what was meant by the term "Singapore on Thames " ?

Sure anything better ...if he can not get his E.U. wish list witeout giving anything E.U. wishes ....."mission impossible "..starring Boris Johnson ????

 

 

 

[Rimmer]

An off topic baiting post removed

[Sujo]

Looks like its the ministry of silly walks.

[welovesundaysatspace]

53 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Was referring to the current talks , was suggesting the talks should finish and the separation can be finalised 

I agree it should, but as I wrote somewhere here before, it won’t happen. These talks will continue forever. 

[Bruntoid]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

It's hardly controlled when they're coming over in Dinghy's, many drowning on the journey (including children).

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/migrant-deaths-english-channel-crossing-children-charity-warning-b1395800.html

 

 

It's this illegal immigration I have an issue with. I'm not a huge fan of illegal immigrants coming to the country and claiming benefits that I would prefer spent on old age pensioners, education and the NHS. I am fine with legal immigration as long as the immigrants meet the specified criteria in terms of skills, background checks, education etc. I favour a points based system like Australia.

 

No, colour wouldn't be part of the criteria but you already know that. A very disingenuous way to imply I'm racist though, Bravo you must be so pleased with yourself for sneaking that in, not too subtle though????. English speaking would be a criteria as would be a willingness to integrate. 

 

Travellers? I have no issue with travellers. Actually did a bit of backpacking myself around SE Asia in my gap year back in 98 ????.

Hysterical claptrap - what percentage of dinghy entrees constitute part of the U.K. overall population again ? - attracting the hysterical tag of ‘uncontrolled’? 
 

So the 4 people in the link you provided would have added what to the pension should their possible benefits be denied ? 
 

How many Falang enjoying their immigrant status here meet your language criteria ? Oh and to gain U.K. citizenship you need to be able to so fret not. 
 

Oh and I didn’t ‘sneak’ anything in - every word was intentional and thoroughly meant! 

Edited December 14, 2020 by Bruntoid

[Bruntoid]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

 Boris's dilemma: placate the ERG faction in the Tory party and go for a no deal. Try to placate the nation and go for a deal, thin as it is 

The first will cause untold financial damage to the UK, the latter may see the ERG try to unseat Boris.

As Boris is a man of the short term fix he is probably inclined to go for the former but just somewhere in his mind may be the image of a PM who failed in statecraft and sent the UK into terminal decline.

 

 

With Bojo it’s 

 

1) Boris Johnson

2) Boris Johnson

3) Boris Johnson

4) The Conservative Party

5) The U.K. 

 

and will act accordingly 

[Surelynot]

9 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Why is the E.U still negotiating and talking to us , four years after we told them we want to leave ?

Let us go, its what we want 

Why is the UK still negotiating and talking to us four years after they said they wanted to leave?

Just go, it's all we want.

[JonnyF]

27 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Hysterical claptrap - what percentage of dinghy entrees constitute part of the U.K. overall population again ? - attracting the hysterical tag of ‘uncontrolled’? 
 

So the 4 people in the link you provided would have added what to the pension should their possible benefits be denied ? 
 

How many Falang enjoying their immigrant status here meet your language criteria ? Oh and to gain U.K. citizenship you need to be able to so fret not. 
 

Oh and I didn’t ‘sneak’ anything in - every word was intentional and thoroughly meant! 

Of course it's uncontrolled. Sometimes in the back of lorries, sometimes on Dinghy's. Often arranged by gangs. Nobody wins in this situation. Independent research indicates over 1,000,000 illegals in the UK according to the BBC.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53075318

 

Farang in Thailand are essentially on long term tourist visas. They enter legally and they cannot claim benefits and are normally not seeking residency. If they break major laws or are found without the correct visa they are deported. If they do seek residency, they need to pass the language tests. Nothing wrong with that. 

 

Yes you seem like the sort of person who flings unsubstantiated insults around. Trying to deflect from an argument you are losing and try to force the individual to defend themselves from completely unfounded allegations. A very cunning, devious and dishonest practice normally conducted by virtue signalers trying to deflect from their own skeletons in the closet. Shameful stuff, yet you actually seem proud of it. Pathetic.