EU's Barnier says: just hours left for a Brexit trade deal

[Mavideol]

7 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Arent you supposed to provide links to news articles ?

Ok, I am a nice chap and don't want you to be sad, it was on line 35 minutes ago, have fun .... 555

 

https://news.yahoo.com/brexit-news-live-sturgeon-calls-074241139.html

Brexit news – live: Boris Johnson under pressure to extend transition amid border and virus chaos

 

 

Edited December 21, 2020 by Mavideol

[Loiner]

Another French cave in due soon?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1375073/France-news-border-freight-lorry-latest-emmanuel-macron-covid-new-strain-uk-travel-update

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Another French cave in due soon?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1375073/France-news-border-freight-lorry-latest-emmanuel-macron-covid-new-strain-uk-travel-update

The Express....everyone CAVES, EXPLODES, GOES BALLISTIC, FRANTIC, SHOCK HORROR, DESTROYS, RIPS APART.....better sticking to the Beano...at least it is clolour.

[david555]

 (Not only express as this reporter woman was on Sky news television , even interviewing lorry drivers ALREADY stock 24 hours that time.... , borders not yet closed....???? welcome no deal  brexiteers....,

shows same time result ...if French economic blocking  powers could be used ....???? )

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1375054/France-border-closed-uk-new-covid-strain-latest-freight-drivers-m20-traffic-dover-update

 

France warns ‘situation becoming catastrophic’ as UK told freight supply could ‘DRY UP’

FRANCE has said the situation with French lorry drivers stuck in the UK is becoming "catastrophic" - with an official saying the UK's freight supply could dry up completely.

 

By CIARAN MCGRATH

PUBLISHED: 09:59, Mon, Dec 21, 2020 | UPDATED: 11:36, Mon, Dec 21, 2020

 

Vanessa Ibarlucea, a spokeswoman for the French national road haulage federation, FNTR, said: "They are stuck in lorry parks with no toilets - it's becoming a catastrophe. "No driver wants to deliver to the UK now, so the UK is going to see its freight supply dry up." The United Kingdom on Monday became shut off from the rest of Europe after its closest allies cut transport ties due to fears about a new, highly infectious coronavirus strain, sowing chaos for families and companies just days before it exits the European Union's orbit.

 

 

Edited December 21, 2020 by david555

[Loiner]

15 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

The Express....everyone CAVES, EXPLODES, GOES BALLISTIC, FRANTIC, SHOCK HORROR, DESTROYS, RIPS APART.....better sticking to the Beano...at least it is clolour.

More bad news for you Macron supporters huh?

[vinny41]

France aims to establish protocols to restart traffic to UK 'in coming hours' - transport min

 

PARIS (Reuters) - France aims to establish Europe-wide sanitary protocol measures “in the coming hours” to allow the resumption of traffic flows with the United Kingdom, transport minister Jean-Baptiste Djebbari said on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-france/france-aims-to-establish-protocols-to-restart-traffic-to-uk-in-coming-hours-transport-min-idUSKBN28V13D

[Opl]

11 minutes ago, Loiner said:

More bad news for you Macron supporters huh?

 'This is deadly serious' - New coronavirus variant 'out of control'

[Loiner]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

France aims to establish protocols to restart traffic to UK 'in coming hours' - transport min

 

PARIS (Reuters) - France aims to establish Europe-wide sanitary protocol measures “in the coming hours” to allow the resumption of traffic flows with the United Kingdom, transport minister Jean-Baptiste Djebbari said on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-france/france-aims-to-establish-protocols-to-restart-traffic-to-uk-in-coming-hours-transport-min-idUSKBN28V13D

Well that's a very quick U Turn from the French. Do they really think before taking such actions because they don't seem to be able to keep their story straight? Should this be classed as buffoonery or lies, as it would have been by Remainers referring to Boris?

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, Opl said:

 'This is deadly serious' - New coronavirus variant 'out of control'

Is that a quote from somewhere, or your considered opinion?

What is deadly serious - the virus variant, or panic border closures, or truck queues, or some sort of effect on the lack of trade deal - this topic?

[Opl]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Is that a quote from somewhere, or your considered opinion?

What is deadly serious - the virus variant, or panic border closures, or truck queues, or some sort of effect on the lack of trade deal - this topic?

as you probably know it was the message sent Urbi et Orbi by M. Hancock .. the same bad news Macron received .. that caused the temporary border closure until sanitary protocol allows trafic UK-> Fr again

Edited December 21, 2020 by Opl

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Well that's a very quick U Turn from the French. Do they really think before taking such actions because they don't seem to be able to keep their story straight? Should this be classed as buffoonery or lies, as it would have been by Remainers referring to Boris?

Maybe they saw how well Boris was handling things and took a leaf out of his book........swift and decisive action, review the outcome, consider options and then quickly enact a solution.....5555

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Well that's a very quick U Turn from the French. Do they really think before taking such actions because they don't seem to be able to keep their story straight? Should this be classed as buffoonery or lies, as it would have been by Remainers referring to Boris?

According to this report most UK supermarkets pay their suppliers on average 42 days after delivery

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/suppliers/prompt-payment-how-do-supermarkets-compare/646254.article

 

I assume warehouses were filling up in Europe with no where to go , Freight trucks unwilling to go to the UK if they can't get back

 

[Loiner]

4 minutes ago, Opl said:

as you probably know it was the message sent Urbi et Orbi by M. Hancock .. the same bad news Macron received .. 

To which posts in this topic does the Pope/Hancock think you should warn us of the deadly serious implications? 

[Opl]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

To which posts in this topic does the Pope/Hancock think you should warn us of the deadly serious implications? 

yourS

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, Opl said:

yourS

I doubt either of those two have read any of my posts. Which ones are deadly serious? You must be the one who knows.

[david555]

 (At least this guy  (as genuine " Blackadder" understands the possibility  ....later ...in case... no fish ... )???? This unfortunad Virus strain shows the hidden powers  Macron has ..... and based on .... pure French sovereignty ???????????? 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1375003/brexit-latest-news-EU-UK-trade-deal-Michel-Barnier-Boris-Johnson-France-border

Brexit LIVE: Farage warns EU 'bullies' have blockaded border to force UK to sign bad deal
NIGEL Farage has hit out at the EU for trying to force Boris Johnson into signing a "bad deal" after France closed the borders with the UK amid fears over the new mutant coronavirus strain.

By RICHARD PERCIVAL
PUBLISHED: 07:00, Mon, Dec 21, 2020 | UPDATED: 11:45, Mon, Dec 21, 2020

Edited December 21, 2020 by david555

[Opl]

10 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I doubt either of those two have read any of my posts. Which ones are deadly serious? You must be the one who knows.

didn't you say that it was a Macron setup to punish the UK etc etc.. as usual ? While it was a justified move if if your government's warning is to be taken seriously 

Edited December 21, 2020 by Opl

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, Opl said:

didn't you say that it was a Macron setup to punish the UK etc etc.. as usual ? While it was a justified move if one takes your government's warning seriously 

In a matter of 24 hours Macron/France had changed it's mind and would reopen borders. Is that 'a justified move' or a plan that they immediately realised would not work? 

[Surelynot]

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

In a matter of 24 hours Macron/France had changed it's mind and would reopen borders. Is that 'a justified move' or a plan that they immediately realised would not work? 

Yes.... observing decisive action, promptly taken, after following the antics of that bumbling fool Johnson for so long, must be quite disconcerting. 

Edited December 21, 2020 by Surelynot

[Opl]

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

In a matter of 24 hours Macron/France had changed it's mind and would reopen borders. Is that 'a justified move' or a plan that they immediately realised would not work? 

Closure on Sunday evening, reopening with sanitary protocol  a day later - Monday - it's not bad news for both sides of the Channel - Pragmatism has to overcome ideology - sometimes. 

 

Edited December 21, 2020 by Opl

[Loiner]

Just now, Surelynot said:

Yes.... observing decisive action, promptly taken, after following the antics of that bumbling fool Johnson for so long, must quite disconcerting. 

More anti-Boris nonsense from the usual sources. Meanwhile in France, decisive action is taken, then promptly and decisively reversed. 

[Surelynot]

Just now, Loiner said:

More anti-Boris nonsense from the usual sources. Meanwhile in France, decisive action is taken, then promptly and decisively reversed. 

 

[Loiner]

2 minutes ago, Opl said:

Closure on sunday evening, reopening with sanitary protocol  a day later - monday - it's not bad news for both sides of the Channel - Pragmatism has to overcome ideology - sometimes. 

 

But the same pragmatism does not extent to Macron's antics with the fish, or Barnier's obstinacy with attempts at ongoing rule over the UK?

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

 

And yet more anti-Boris nonsense. I know you people have a mountain of it, but it's all useless.

[Opl]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

But the same pragmatism does not extent to Macron's antics with the fish, or Barnier's obstinacy with attempts at ongoing rule over the UK?

Macron is well aware of the British way of negociating. As well as the Single Market sovereignty matters to EU members as much as UK's one matters to  you and others.

The difference is it's a little bit more difficult to agree on a compromise when 27 sovereignties work together, than when you are alone.    

[billd766]

10 minutes ago, Opl said:

Macron is well aware of the British way of negociating. As well as the Single Market sovereignty matters to EU members as much as UK's one matters to  you and others.

The difference is it's a little bit more difficult to agree on a compromise when 27 sovereignties work together, than when you are alone.    

It is far easier to compromise with a smaller number than with 27 countries who each have their own interests as #1 and the EU somewhere following,

[Loiner]

13 minutes ago, Opl said:

Macron is well aware of the British way of negociating. As well as the Single Market sovereignty matters to EU members as much as UK's one matters to  you and others.

The difference is it's a little bit more difficult to agree on a compromise when 27 sovereignties work together, than when you are alone.    

Are you telling me that because there are 27 differing vested interests in the EU that it is not possible for any of them to be pragmatic on anything?

[Opl]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

It is far easier to compromise with a smaller number than with 27 countries who each have their own interests as #1 and the EU somewhere following,

You're right.

it was also easier to compromise in order to "please" and keep a member, than to compromise to cope with the consequences of a leaving member's sole decision. 

The Single Market integrity is as prevalent to the remaining members, as it was to the UK - there is no change. 

[Opl]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Are you telling me that because there are 27 differing vested interests in the EU that it is not possible for any of them to be pragmatic on anything?

No, the decision making process when each of the 27 remaining members has voice - therefore sovereignty - but then speak together as one (the EU),  is not as easy as when the "opponent party" composed of only 1 entity  - in this case the UK - decides for itself. That's the difficulty in this deal. 27 as 1 vs 1

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, Opl said:

No, the decision making process when each of the 27 remaining members has voice - therefore sovereignty - but then speak together as one (the EU),  is not as easy as when the "opponent party" composed of only 1 entity  - in this case the UK - decides for itself. That's the difficulty in this deal. 27 as 1 vs 1

I'm not absolutely sure what your point is here, but absolutely sure it's rubbish anyway. You told us that "...it's a little bit more difficult to agree on a compromise when 27 sovereignties work together.." and I understand that to mean the EU cannot be pragmatic.

 

Whatever you are trying to say above does not display any pragmatism in obtaining a deal with a strong negotiator like the UK. Your 27 as 1 vs 1 would be accepted as bullying in the school yard, but hasn't been successful anyway. Time for the strongest of your 27 to start being pragmatic with your remainder.