European neighbours shut doors to Britain amid alarm over new coronavirus strain

[welovesundaysatspace]

33 minutes ago, robblok said:

The UK is now a dangerous infectious country. What is strange to take some precautions. Its good you guys are on an island. This way its easier to contain you. 

 

Why import a more dangerous strain if it can possible be contained. 

And it’s not only Boris and the Brexiteers. Don’t forget about Covid, another good reason. 

[stevenl]

32 minutes ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

Surely the timing of this ban is at least questionable.... Brexit deadline .... come on . The MSM are already calling it the new U.K. variant ???? 

The ban followed new infections. So the timing of the ban is logical.

[tribalfusion001]

Nothing to do with a virus, hardball tactics from Macron and the fishing rights. Boris has spooked the world and the EU will see this a perfect tactic to get the deal they want. If Boris crumbles he is gone, leadership challenge and if doesn't the same back benchers will still oust him over tier 4 rules and no vote in parliament.

[robblok]

21 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

And it’s not only Boris and the Brexiteers. Don’t forget about Covid, another good reason. 

Not sure what this has to do with brexit. If Brexit was done it would have been easier to close borders. Now I am not so sure if it can be done. Maybe infectious stuff like this has special laws.

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Nothing to do with a virus, hardball tactics from Macron and the fishing rights. Boris has spooked the world and the EU will see this a perfect tactic to get the deal they want. If Boris crumbles he is gone, leadership challenge and if doesn't the same back benchers will still oust him over tier 4 rules and no vote in parliament.

How is this related to fishing rights.. its all in your mind. There is a new strain its abundant on a little island. Best things to do is isolate if possible. It worked well in Thailand. 

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Nothing to do with a virus, hardball tactics from Macron and the fishing rights. Boris has spooked the world and the EU will see this a perfect tactic to get the deal they want. If Boris crumbles he is gone, leadership challenge and if doesn't the same back benchers will still oust him over tier 4 rules and no vote in parliament.

Pff, for a moment I was afraid there had been a mutation in the virus, with especially in the UK many thousands infections.

Thanks for setting me right, and making clear that this travel ban is not related to any virus.

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

Not sure what this has to do with brexit. If Brexit was done it would have been easier to close borders. Now I am not so sure if it can be done. Maybe infectious stuff like this has special laws.

Not sure, I think you're very sure: not related to Brexit at all.

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Not sure, I think you're very sure: not related to Brexit at all.

Of course I am really sure this has nothing to do with Brexit. Its a new strain its more infectious why would any country import it if it can be stopped. UK is an island its easier to stop travel from there. Though I doubt its full proof. But best not too take too much risk.

[Loiner]

58 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Sadly, some Little Englanders live purely in the past, where Britain ruled the waves and dictated to the rest of the World. 

 

One day they may wake up and realise that we are a small island

Sadly, some British Europhiles live purely in the last 40+ years and want to keep us there. 
One day they may wake up and realise how the continent abused our membership, and we now look to the future with the big wide world.

 

The knee jerk reaction in closing borders is typical of how the EU has really regarded our island nation, which is magnified in these times of covid. When one of the EU states admits that the new strain is already present in that country what will they do with their precious free movement and schengen borders?

[welovesundaysatspace]

13 minutes ago, robblok said:

Not sure what this has to do with brexit. If Brexit was done it would have been easier to close borders. Now I am not so sure if it can be done. Maybe infectious stuff like this has special laws.

I guess I’m just not good at black humor as our British friends are. 

[david555]

20 minutes ago, robblok said:

Not sure what this has to do with brexit. If Brexit was done it would have been easier to close borders. Now I am not so sure if it can be done. Maybe infectious stuff like this has special laws.

With a third country it is the easiest to do .... they are so 31 December midnight same as example Pakistan or others ....also still each country has their sovereignty...... different what brexiteers claim  E.U. to be undemocratic 

[KhaoYai]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

And still claiming their soo precious sovereignty  ????, they don't realize the disadvantage of living on an island and hating your closest neighbor ... 

Who are 'they' do you think that everyone in the UK thinks the same and has the same opinions? Different points of view and attitudes exist in every country.  I take it from your spelling that you are from the US? That would explain your thinking but in fact you are wrong 'they' don't hate anyone.  There will no doubt be some people in the UK that don't like the French but ask them why? They don't know.  To the best of my knowledge Napolean and his mates died a long time ago.

[Phulublub]

22 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The knee jerk reaction in closing borders is typical of how the EU has really regarded our island nation, which is magnified in these times of covid.

Didn't realise Canada was now in the EU

 

PH

[dunroaming]

39 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Nothing to do with a virus, hardball tactics from Macron and the fishing rights. Boris has spooked the world and the EU will see this a perfect tactic to get the deal they want. If Boris crumbles he is gone, leadership challenge and if doesn't the same back benchers will still oust him over tier 4 rules and no vote in parliament.

As soon as Brexit is done the Knives will be out for Boris, I suspect his closest chums will be at the front of the queue.

[Nout]

So NOW the french can control their borders!

[david555]

1 minute ago, KhaoYai said:

Who are 'they' do you think that everyone in the UK thinks the same and has the same opinions? Different points of view and attitudes exist in every country.  I take it from your spelling that you are from the US? That would explain your thinking but in fact you are wrong 'they' don't hate anyone.  There will no doubt be some people in the UK that don't like the French but ask them why? They don't know.  To the best of my knowledge Napolean and his mates died a long time ago.

I know there are the 49% surpressed normal behaviour ones , by 52% hard core ones  ...hence my categorizing them as the U.K. 

 

Realizing almost a Half of Brits are not agreed at all ....

Fault of the 1 vote+ is a majority on such a important desicion ...

 

But we must dealing with that 52% bunch ...????

[david555]

7 minutes ago, Nout said:

So NOW the french can control their borders!

French  can   ....., but can not stop illegals' to follow the law & by so doing  leaving France ????

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

What a strange response. The UK is now a dangerous infectious country. What is strange to take some precautions. Its good you guys are on an island. This way its easier to contain you. 

 

Why import a more dangerous strain if it can possible be contained. 

 

This same strain has been seen before, in the Netherlands, Denmark and Australia according to these https://www.bbc.com/news/world-55382212

 

I agree with your sentiment - why did we allow it to be imported into the UK? Only now it seems to be a problem, no problem in Netherlands and Denmark, that's weird.

[KhaoYai]

In this thread and earlier ones there are people who seem to act with glee at the fact that some countries have banned travel from the UK - sad people.

 

There is one reason and one reason alone for these bans.  This new strain has been known about since September and is present in other countries as well as the UK. The bans followed a statement by Matt Hancock that this new strain is 'out of control'.  Given that many of the countries that have banned travel from the UK didn't have any quarantine in place - the bans are not surprising, they are an understandable emergency measure whilst countries work out how to deal with the situation.  In the last hour France has said that it will establish a protocol to allow travel from the UK later today.

 

It is almost certain that we will see many other mutations of this virus before its done. Travel bans are not new since Covid appeared and they will continue until this pandemic is over.

 

 

[KhaoYai]

13 minutes ago, david555 said:

I know there are the 49% surpressed normal behaviour ones , by 52% hard core ones  ...hence my categorizing them as the U.K. 

Careful, the voting figures for brexit were very similar to the ones in the recent US election but I don't think that everyone who voted for Trump is a lunatic - even though some clearly are.

Edited December 21, 2020 by KhaoYai

[david555]

3 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

This same strain has been seen before, in the Netherlands, Denmark and Australia according to these https://www.bbc.com/news/world-55382212

 

I agree with your sentiment - why did we allow it to be imported into the UK? Only now it seems to be a problem, no problem in Netherlands and Denmark, that's weird.

maybe they are more disciplined on Covid 19 measures from their government ?

[david555]

4 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Careful, the voting figures for brexit were very similar to the ones in the recent US election but I don't think that everyone who voted for Trump is a lunatic - even though some clearly are.

So as Trump lost ....Boris would loose also ?

Edited December 21, 2020 by david555

[KhaoYai]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

So as Trump lost ....Boris would loose also ?

That is not my point but we are straying off topic.  Just don't put across views that British people all think the same way - they don't, and that's applicable to the people of any country.

 

People who voted for or against Brexit did so for a variety of reasons.

[KhaoYai]

25 minutes ago, david555 said:

Fault of the 1 vote+ is a majority on such a important desicion ...

 

That we do agree on.  There are several European countries where it wouldn't have happened - where a large majority is needed to make major changes - some even have more than one vote on major items.

[david555]

6 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

That is not my point but we are straying off topic.  Just don't put across views that British people all think the same way - they don't, and that's applicable to the people of any country.

 

People who voted for or against Brexit did so for a variety of reasons.

But the E.U. has to deal only with your leaving ...., so measures are taking only for that at last resort..... 

About U.K. internal differences .... those who make  the mess ....have to  clean up the mess 

[dunroaming]

Is it worth having a quick stock-take on the Brexit position?  Not directly a Covid issue but related now surely.  It was said that if an agreement wasn't reached by yesterday it would be too late for the EU to get a vote through before the end of the year.  As Boris still hasn't got the guts to bite the bullet, does this mean he has to ask for yet another extension?

[david555]

7 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Is it worth having a quick stock-take on the Brexit position?  Not directly a Covid issue but related now surely.  It was said that if an agreement wasn't reached by yesterday it would be too late for the EU to get a vote through before the end of the year.  As Boris still hasn't got the guts to bite the bullet, does this mean he has to ask for yet another extension?

Not sure about it .... but i think they vote in HOC a law who does not allow it ..... lol ...

 

And i sincere hope he does not and end it for us E.U.,

So this farce is all yours U.K...., enjoy it i would say ! As it was your vote your vote , wish , and "democratic wish " from population so called 

Edited December 21, 2020 by david555

[Susco]

They voted to leave, now they can practice already how it gonna be.

[dunroaming]

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

Not sure about it .... but i think they vote in HOC a law who does not allow it ..... lol ...

 

And i sincere hope he does not and end it for us E.U.,

So this farce is all yours U.K...., enjoy it i would say ! As it was your vote your vote , wish , and "democratic wish " from population so called 

No point in dragging up the rights or wrongs of the Brexit result.  We in Britain will live with the consequences and deal with them accordingly.  It is the EU who have said that they will not have time (after yesterdays deadline) to ratify any agreement before the end of the year.  If Johnson had agreed the deal he inevitably will do weeks ago we wouldn't have this situation now.  And nobody is more irritated or embarrassed by it than the British public.

[Nout]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

French  can   ....., but can not stop illegals' to follow the law & by so doing  leaving France ????

They control their borders in numbers of ways and fight crime but not in the area of illegal immigration to the UK. They export illegals to the UK and shrug it off.