'We must end this uncivil war,' Biden says, taking over a U.S. in crisis

[Eric Loh]

20 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Of course you don't.  You're biased and cannot see what you are doing.  I'm sure if you realised, you might not be doing it.

 

I hope that at some point the left manages to clear their hearts of the hatred they feel for anyone who disagrees with them, realises they don't have the moral high-ground, and starts to rebuild themselves.

You are being disingenuous and making up words to fit your narrative. I thought I made my post clear that I referred to those who answered his incendiary calls to match to Capitol Hill. How that factored in the 75 million is totally conjure by you. Again you concluding that the lefts are full of hatred is dishonest and you need to have some self reflection on the last 4 years of division, hate, misinformation etc propagated by the leader of the right wingers who has the loudest microphone.

 

 

[BangkokReady]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And if I said, "I saw Trump supporters at a Trump rally" would that mean I had seen 75 million people at the rally? Your argument is ridiculous.

 

I think we may have got our wires crossed at some point, looks like one of us switched from "Trump's supporters" to "Trump Supporters".

 

So, if someone said "I saw Trump's supporters at a rally", knowing it would be impossible we would no doubt question it "Trump's supporters?  Do you mean Trump supporters?", because of the implication from saying "Trump's supporters" is that we are talking about all of them as a whole.

 

Does that clear it up for you?

 

As I said, if you want unity, you have to stop labelling all Trump supporters as being the same as the tiny minority that stormed the Capitol Building.  That should be your takeaway here.

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

I think we may have got our wires crossed at some point, looks like one of us switched from "Trump's supporters" to "Trump Supporters".

 

So, if someone said "I saw Trump's supporters at a rally", knowing it would be impossible we would no doubt question it "Trump's supporters?  Do you mean Trump supporters?", because of the implication from saying "Trump's supporters" is that we are talking about all of them as a whole.

 

Does that clear it up for you?

 

As I said, if you want unity, you have to stop labelling all Trump supporters as being the same as the tiny minority that stormed the Capitol Building.  That should be your takeaway here.

You would have to believe that somebody reading that comment would be so clueless as to think that the 75 million people who voted for Trump had stormed the Capitol.

[BangkokReady]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I thought I made my post clear that I referred to those who answered his incendiary calls to match to Capitol Hill.

 

That wasn't my interpretation, as you said "Trump's supporters answered his call".  To me, that suggests that Trump's supporters as a whole did so.

 

If we were talking about an ethnic minority, people would be so careful to say "some, not all, but some..." because they would be so worried about offending people or being accused of making a negative generalisation.

 

I think the same care needs to be taken when talking about people who voted for Trump/conservatives, if people want to move forward.

[BangkokReady]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You would have to believe that somebody reading that comment would be so clueless as to think that the 75 million people who voted for Trump had stormed the Capitol.

 

Do you know the actual figure?  How many actually broke the law and entered the building?

 

If you read the news and social media, they report it like all Trump supporters are White Nationalist Nazi terrorists.

 

That isn't the road to unity.

[Tippaporn]

5 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

What's the point?  You know where it is.  You're simply being obtuse because you don't like it.

 

Thanks for helping to prove my point by showing that you don't even want to acknowledge what the problem is, let alone try to change for the better.

 

You do not want unity.  You only want to attack people.

Triple thank you for that bit of truth.

 

     

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[simple1]

2 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

You think 75 million people marched on the capitol?  Thanks for proving my point.

 

You are repeatedly using specious argument. 

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[placeholder]

23 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Do you know the actual figure?  How many actually broke the law and entered the building?

 

If you read the news and social media, they report it like all Trump supporters are White Nationalist Nazi terrorists.

 

That isn't the road to unity.

 What does it even mean to claim "they report it like all Trump supporters are White Nationalist Nazi terrorists"  Does it mean they report that all Trump supporters are White Nationalist Nazi terrorists? Doesn't seem so. In fact, it's just a cheap and untruthful way of casting aspersions without having to be called to account for them.

As for the road to unity, given that about 2/3 of  Republican House members voted not to accept the Electoral College results, calls for unity from that side of the aisle are laughable.

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[nauseus]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

Certainly not because Trump is vindictive and vengeful. And if you don't believe me, I'm sure Jeff Bezos would back me up in that.

 

I'm more likely to believe you than Bezos. ????

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Yes, the truth.  And I believe more truth will come out regarding what Trump had been up to.  For example, this new article discussed the pressure Trump was putting on his own DOJ to support his fake election fraud claims.  America is fortunate that the DOJ resisted to the end....

 

[Former President Donald Trump reportedly pressured the Justice Department to sign onto his “big lie” election fraud conspiracies after Bill Barr resigned and considered firing the replacement, acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, when he refused Trump’s repeated entreaties.]

 

[This pressure began the day after Barr resigned, the Times reports. On December 15th, Trump summoned Rosen to the White House and wasted no time in pushing him to have the DOJ sign onto his legal team’s baseless claims.]

 

[Only after a final, tense showdown on the weekend after New Year’s Day, in which DOJ officials again rebuffed the president and threatened to resign en masse, did Trump relent on his drive to use the Justice Department to somehow overturn the 2020 election.]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nyt-bombshell-trump-repeatedly-pressured-doj-to-back-election-fraud-conspiracies-considered-firing-acting-ag-after-he-wouldn-t-comply/ar-BB1d0KR9?li=BB141NW3

 

 

Obviously the DOJ was not his. If all of the truth comes out that's great. 

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

They fell for the lies by Trump and his enablers, amplified by right wing media outlets.  Easy.  But not very smart people to think this.  That's been proven.  Other than the politicians who are using this fake news for political gain.  Taking advantage of a susceptible group.

 What has been proven?

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

It is about intentionally false statements. Calling Covid pandemic a hoax, saying voting machines were programmed to exclude votes, that  election officials dumped ballots etc. I recall the claims of the imagined secret cyber watermarking of ballots that would be exposed. How about when people like Alex Jones call Sandy Hook massacre of  children a hoax and when exposed say it is just an act for business? What about the false claims that President Obama was not a US national? No one takes responsibility/ ownership for their words. The example is Trump who incites violence and then says, not my fault and throws everyone away?

 

No chance of similar propaganda from the other side then?

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

If they want unity, they need to drop the "all Trump supporters are literal Nazis and deserve to be physically assaulted" <deleted>.  There are left-wingers who are talking about making lists of anyone who cooperated with Trump and punishing them in some way.  It's insane.

 

Trump got nearly half the votes.  Around 75 million people.  Not all conservatives are Trump supporters, obviously very few Trump supporters are actually White Nationalists or Nazis, but they're still trying to paint them all with a very broad brush, and this appears to come from a very angry and hateful place.

 

The way they are talking, you would think those 75 million Americans were all in the Capitol Building, rather than just a few nut cases.

 

There's way too much hatred and anger coming from the left for any sort of unity to emerge.  They would have to accept that the people they are trying to call out are a tiny minority, but that simply isn't part of their narrative.

 

Ah, a bit of balance. Thanks.

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[Sujo]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

 What has been proven?

That far right media lies about trump and the dems and his supporters believe it.

 

Notice now those being charged are blaming trump for misleading them.

 

Oh the winds of change. 4 years of believing alternative facts came home to roost. The elevator doesnt go all the way to the top for them.

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

No chance of similar propaganda from the other side then?

No, facts dont lie. Thats why fox stopped talking about the machines and apologized after threats of legal action.

 

So instead of asking, do your own research and post it.

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Ah, a bit of balance. Thanks.

If white supremists and nazis follow your man then it is you that has issues.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

But they would have been attached/posted with the link.

 

I will take your word for it as I don't use Twitter.

 

Neither do I, Bill. I'd get into even more trouble. ???? 

[nauseus]

13 minutes ago, Sujo said:

That far right media lies about trump and the dems and his supporters believe it.

 

Notice now those being charged are blaming trump for misleading them.

 

Oh the winds of change. 4 years of believing alternative facts came home to roost. The elevator doesnt go all the way to the top for them.

 

Not very specific with the proof bit there.

 

Wrongdoers charged under the law will often try to blame others for their actions in the hope of reducing the harshness of penalties; if they blame Trump then they are probably not true supporters but habitual anarchists and so there you could be correct about the elevator bit. 

[nauseus]

17 minutes ago, Sujo said:

No, facts dont lie. Thats why fox stopped talking about the machines and apologized after threats of legal action.

 

So instead of asking, do your own research and post it.

 

That was not answer to my question. Why did you bring up 'machines'?

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, Sujo said:

If white supremists and nazis follow your man then it is you that has issues.

 

What man?

 

My reply concerned a post commenting the best path for unity, which is also what Biden was talking about straight away at his inauguration. What your issue with that?

[candide]

6 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

A majority of Republicans still think the election was stolen?

 

I wonder why.

For the same reason a majority of them (or close to) believe/believed pizzagate theory, birtherism, and creationism, among others. ????

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Of course you don't.  You're biased and cannot see what you are doing.  I'm sure if you realised, you might not be doing it.

 

I hope that at some point the left manages to clear their hearts of the hatred they feel for anyone who disagrees with them, realises they don't have the moral high-ground, and starts to rebuild themselves.

Sorry.  I will never clear my heart of hatred for a President who calls the press the enemy of the people or of contempt for fools that believe him. 

 

Undermining the free press undermines democracy and a free society more than storming the Capitol building.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Do you know the actual figure?  How many actually broke the law and entered the building?

 

If you read the news and social media, they report it like all Trump supporters are White Nationalist Nazi terrorists.

 

That isn't the road to unity.

Give us an example of a mainstream media source stating or implying that all Trump supporters are White Nationalist Nazi terrorists.

 

I think you can't provide one because you don't follow mainstream media; I think you just believe what right wing media tells you about mainstream media.

[Solinvictus]

"Shoot em in the leg."

"Come on man!"

and the best one IMO,

"You know the deal!" ????

Edited January 23, 2021 by Solinvictus

[PattayaJames]

10 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Sad times when someone bashes The NY Times.  One of the best media outlets there is with fantastic investigative journalism.  Your statement (and your posts) show your political bias. 

 

Media trust hits new lows because of Trump's bashing of credible sites.  So he can discredit the bad reports on him.  And you've fallen for it. 

 

And yet, you couldn't come up with an example.  Just deflect.  Figures.

 

Glad to see you are not trying to defend CNN.

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Sorry.  I will never clear my heart of hatred for a President who calls the press the enemy of the people or of contempt for fools that believe him. 

 

Undermining the free press undermines democracy and a free society more than storming the Capitol building.

 

The term 'free press' used to imply at least a degree of uncensored ideological and political impartiality but those days seem long gone now. 

[onthedarkside]

Several trolling and off-topic posts have been removed along with replies, and a disallowed social media post.

[heybruce]

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

The term 'free press' used to imply at least a degree of uncensored ideological and political impartiality but those days seem long gone now. 

At what time or place has "free press" ever been limited to some unattainable ideals of ideological or political impartiality?

 

I get my news from news from sources that report facts, uses reasonable analysis, and clearly separate opinion from reporting.  These are the news sources Trump considers an "enemy of the people", the ones that fact check him instead of a acting as cheerleaders for his every word and action.

 

No, I'm not referring to any of the 24 hour television networks. 

[J Town]

49 minutes ago, nauseus said:

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

Sorry.  I will never clear my heart of hatred for a President who calls the press the enemy of the people or of contempt for fools that believe him. 

 

Undermining the free press undermines democracy and a free society more than storming the Capitol building.

 

The term 'free press' used to imply at least a degree of uncensored ideological and political impartiality but those days seem long gone now. 

Here's a basic problem. CNN/MSNBC/CBS are the voices of a media group that want you to think a certain way. Due to the elimination of "The Fairness Doctrine" they are allowed to be extremely slanted and represent only one opinion. It's been shown they ALL use the same buzzwords and phrases as their corporate overlords command.

 

Fox is NOT a news outlet. There are arguments to the contrary, but according to an FCC spokesperson: “We do not have any rules or licensing requirements in which a cable channel might categorize itself as news vs. entertainment.” They can say pretty much anything they want and only retract under threat of a lawsuit.

 

So, a free press reports their tripe in order to make you think how they want you to. Critical thinking has gone by the wayside, proven by 74 million pudding brains. Until we put down the pitchforks, throw away the signs saying "I'm right and you're an idiot," and learn how to have adult conversations using verifiable facts, we won't evolve to a better species.

[PattayaJames]

9 minutes ago, J Town said:

Critical thinking has gone by the wayside, proven by 74 million pudding brains. Until we put down the pitchforks, throw away the signs saying "I'm right and you're an idiot," and learn how to have adult conversations using verifiable facts, we won't evolve to a better species.

 

LOL

Edited January 23, 2021 by PattayaJames