UK had 'one or two' Brexit teething issues on fishing, minister says

[Scott]

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[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, Nout said:

You please read the news about the vaccine roll out and stop trying to argue the inarguable.

Where in the  ‘news about the vaccine roll out’ is there evidence to back up Brexiteer false claims that as a member of the EU the UK would have been compelled to join the EU Vaccine procurement pact OR that Brexit player any part in the UK’s vaccine policies?

 

These are Brexiteer ‘inventions’ of the alternative reality they wish us all to swallow.

 

Brexit had no part in the UK’s vaccine procurement policy or vaccine roll out.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

I didn't expect you to apply common sense, so you're reply is not a surprise ????‍♂️

You stated:  

 

“But if you're honest with yourself you know that if the UK had never voted for Brexit and had still been a full EU member, we'd have been obliged to join the EU vaccine program whether it was in law or not. ‘

 

 

I have asked you to provide evidence to back back up your claim, you can’t because it’s fabricated nonsense.

 

So you resort to a personal attack, it’s not a surprise.

 

 

‘Be honest with yourself’!

 

 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2021 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, kingdong said:

So the success of the uks vaccination programme compared to the eu isn,t evidence?

No, it is not evidence to back up the claim made.

 

Brexit has played no part in that success.

 

If you disagree provide evidence.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

You're talking about the UK not joining Schengen or the Euro I assume. That's completely different to not joining a bloc vaccination program during a pandemic. There is no way we'd have gone against the EU and the other 27 member states if we'd still been in the club.

If you want to believe otherwise that's up to you. 

 

No.

 

You made the ridiculous assertion, you back it up.

 

 

[kingdong]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Where in the  ‘news about the vaccine roll out’ is there evidence to back up Brexiteer false claims that as a member of the EU the UK would have been compelled to join the EU Vaccine procurement pact OR that Brexit player any part in the UK’s vaccine policies?

 

These are Brexiteer ‘inventions’ of the alternative reality they wish us all to swallow.

 

Brexit had no part in the UK’s vaccine procurement policy or vaccine roll out.

So why are the eu lagging so far behind the uk?

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, kingdong said:

So why are the eu lagging so far behind the uk?

Why is irrelevant, it has nothing to do with Brexit.

 

Brexiteers are making the claim that the UK would have been obliged to join the EU vaccine procurement pact and that the UK’s success in vaccine procurement/roll out is a product of Brexit.

 

And yet Brexiteers can produce no evidence to back these claims.

 

 Why din’t you have a go.

[kingdong]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Why is irrelevant, it has nothing to do with Brexit.

 

Brexiteers are making the claim that the UK would have been obliged to join the EU vaccine procurement pact and that the UK’s success in vaccine procurement/roll out is a product of Brexit.

 

And yet Brexiteers can produce no evidence to back these claims.

 

 Why din’t you have a go.

Had britain still be a member of the eu they,d have wanted to share britains order as it was they tried to invoke article 16,why? To deflect from their own farcial inabiity,lets face it they couldn,t organise a booze up in a brewery,nothing to do do with brexit?well it must have been a boris bonus then.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

Had britain still be a member of the eu they,d have wanted to share britains order as it was they tried to invoke article 16,why? To deflect from their own farcial inabiity,lets face it they couldn,t organise a booze up in a brewery,nothing to do do with brexit?well it must have been a boris bonus then.

The EU could have ‘wanted’ whatever the EU wished, there is nothing in EU membership that could have compelled the UK to share it’s vaccines.

 

Brexit played no part in the UK’s vaccine procurement and vaccine roll out.

 

If you have evidence it did, present your evidence.

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The EU could have ‘wanted’ whatever the EU wished, there is nothing in EU membership that could have compelled the UK to share it’s vaccines.

 

 

Not since we left,didn,t stop them trying to invoke article 16 in bully boy tactics using the border situation in ireland,and you wonder why people voted to leave?

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, kingdong said:

So the eu countries could have done the same as the uk?pity they didn,t as the body count rises.

Tragically the body count does keep rising, the UK is suffering very much worse than most nations, perhaps that’s a ‘Boris bonus’.

 

 

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

[kingdong]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why is irrelevant, it has nothing to do with Brexit.

 

 are making the claim that the UK would have been obliged to join the EU vaccine procurement pact and that the UK’s success in vaccine procurement/roll out is a product of Brexit.

 

And yet Brexiteers can produce no evidence to back these claims.

 

 Why din’t you have a go.

Why don,t i din't ? Why don,t you google it up like i did,sorry to hear about your servant rolling a double  six.

[kingdong]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Tragically the body count does keep rising, the UK is suffering very much worse than most nations, perhaps that’s a ‘Boris bonus’.

 

 

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

The post was about vaccine implementation.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, kingdong said:

The post was about vaccine implementation.

Then you should have left ‘body count’ out of it, or at least checked the facts first.

[kingdong]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Then you should have left ‘body count’ out of it, or at least checked the facts first.

I,m not disputing uks body count is highest,what i was saying if the eu were on the ball like britain were with its vaccine program a lot of their citizens wouldn,t have died in the meantime

Edited February 26, 2021 by kingdong

[kingdong]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Then you should have left ‘body count’ out of it, or at least checked the facts first.

I don't disagree the uks death toll is higher,what i was stating  that had the eu adapted their vaccine programme as fast as the uks less of their citizens would have died.the main reason britains body count is so high is the new variant thats more highly cotagious variant that originated in kent.and where were all the illegal boat people immigrants pitching up?...kent.

[Tofer]

17 hours ago, bannork said:

A bunch of namby pamby snowflakes if you ask me, cut their benefits and let them eat fish caught in British waters.

 

I agree whole heartedly with this sentiment, although you'd never get them on a fishing boat....

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

I don't disagree the uks death toll is higher,what i was stating  that had the eu adapted their vaccine programme as fast as the uks less of their citizens would have died.the main reason britains body count is so high is the new variant thats more highly cotagious variant that originated in kent.and where were all the illegal boat people immigrants pitching up?...kent.

Regardless of the fact you are putting out baseless allegations I see you are back to blaming immigrants.

 

 

[Tofer]

19 hours ago, bannork said:

Which is the bigger market?

 

Who cares. It's business, and confidence, in the UK's financial services sector.

 

Who's financial services sector is biggest - UK or EU? Kindly avail me of that information as I'm too lazy, not so interested, and certainly not so pedantic to go searching for every minute bit of information, to try to justify my opinions.

[Tofer]

22 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Did you miss the bit about no deal will be as good as that enjoyed by member states?

 

Yes I did - where did you park your bus?

[Hi from France]

On 2/24/2021 at 10:45 PM, bkkcanuck8 said:

Then they stuck their fingers in their eyes, slapped their face and called them names... and did so for years (to be fair decades).  [i.e. it approached the negotiation in a very non-professional way]

 

Though to be honest Countries don't have friends, they have allies as such based on common interests etc.  The UK has decided for the most part that they have little in common with the EU and wants to go it's own way placing sovereignty above all else.   Any deal you get into you give up some sovereignty to do as you feel  like at any time you want for a common goal... but you remain sovereign in that you can leave that arrangement subject to the deal you negotiate - which is what the UK did.  

 

The UK should not expect any different treatment than the EU's other 'friends' (pretty much any western country). 

 

It is like you and your wife breaking up, then because you were once wife and husband coming over every dinner at the wifes place because they felt entitled.

 

indeed, in some way "the UK were members, friends, allies, contributors (financially and intellectually) for 40 years?", but right now relations are execrable, not just because the countries have no active ambassadors

 

note while things with Gove seemed to calm dow, the vaccine grab and the latest nomination of "take no prisoners" Frost sent horrendous signals, so it's dire and it very likely will get even worse.

 

 

 

and of the course there's Johnson, with his repeated insults and lies

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/24/boris-johnson-a-liar-who-will-seek-to-blame-brexit-costs-on-covid-says-diplomat

 

 

 

 

not only is Brexit itself with the UK breaking away from Europe costly, but it's an international relations disaster

 

...beyond the wildest dreams of the Chinese and the Russians

 

 

not good at all for the UK tax revenues either as we are talking about getting back in Europe the €681tn EU derivatives market, with a very strong reaction of the Bank of England (but I'm not sure what the UK can do about it, but escalating in other domains like fisheries).

 

 

 

now fisheries means millions, and in finance we're talking trillions, and the loss of the very confortable situation in which the UK used not to share the € with us, but reap the benefits..

 

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Edited February 26, 2021 by Hi from France

[Tofer]

18 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This is beyond laughable.

 

You are getting your information from RepGlobal’s YouTube channel and even then when this bastion of nonsense feeds you what they do best you fail to understand it.

18 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

RepGlobal (chuckle) states a thousand companies are ‘planning’ to do something, which you misinterpret as these 1000s of companies are in the process of doing.

 

Pathetic!

 

I suggest it is you who fail to understand, these companies have applied to the FCA for licences, they are not planning to apply, as you would imply....

 

18 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

RepGlobal (chuckle) states a thousand companies are ‘planning’ to do something, which you misinterpret as these 1000s of companies are in the process of doing.

 

Did RepGlobal’s 9 staff check what they posted in their YouTube feed or where they too busy working on posting nonsense on Facebook?

 

Does it even matter?

 

Their followers don’t seem to understand what RepGlobal are posting anyway.

 

Really Tiger, RepGlobal, What a laugh!

 

 

Glad you enjoyed the laugh. But it is you who is making a laughing stock of yourself, decrying the information simply because of it's medium. Or did you not comprehend - that the factual information was sources by Bovill, a world renowned financial regulatory consultant, via an FOI request to release the figures from the FCA of companies that have already applied.

 

Whatever you think of the medium is irrelevant to the facts, but then you can't challenge the facts, so I suppose it's all you're left with. At least this medium relies on facts, unlike your crystal ball gazers who attempt to predict future unknown events, sometimes supported by spurious ex-spurt commentators.

 

 

[kingdong]

34 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Regardless of the fact you are putting out baseless allegations I see you are back to blaming immigrants.

 

 

Just stating a fact still wonder when you,d play the race card.

[Tofer]

23 hours ago, Tofer said:

On 2/25/2021 at 6:14 AM, bannork said:

The British backbone extolled by Tofer seems to be lacking in Cornwall.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9286973/Worlds-largest-daffodil-grower-Cornwall-forced-let-flowers-ROT-not-pickers.html

 

You're forgetting all about Covid, yet again.

 

Extract from your quoted article;

But since Covid and the end of free movement following Brexit, the business only has around 400 flower pickers.  

Edited 23 hours ago by Tofer

 

I was only repeating your own quotation back to you, that sighted Covid.

 

However, as I said earlier, I couldn't agree more about the idle benefit claimants. Just to clarify, I wasn't referring to those individuals when I commented about the remainers lack of backbone and British spirit, I think it's obvious to a blind man on a flying horse that you'll find none of that attribute amongst that segment of society.

 

But correct me if I'm wrong, are all remainers sat on their backsides chewing the cud at mine and the other tax payers expense?

[Tofer]

18 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

now that's funny as a credible source ????

 

You guys really struggle, don't you?

 

It wasn't the source, it was the medium..... ????

[Tofer]

17 hours ago, candide said:

Exactly, Covid! 

Obviously, you did not read the whole article. The higher unemployment rates caused by Covid should have made it easier to find local manpower, but the work is too hard for them!

 

Quotes:

"Hopes that Cornish workers could step into the shoes of those who are now unable to travel from the European Union have been dashed. "It's idealistic to think that because of Covid and the higher than usual unemployment rates that those people would come in and do that work."

'Frankly, the people that we've had to come and do this work, the locals, may last a day or two days, but they certainly don't last two or three months.'

 

 

You're quite right! I picked up on one quotation, utterly indefensible... ????

[Tofer]

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[Tofer]

12 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

But we chose to leave and end our membership.

 

We are, I hope, still friends and allies of the EU; but we are no longer members.

 

Do you know of any club which will allow a member free use of it's facilities after they resign and stop paying their subscription?

 

Perhaps I can use your argument to cancel my SKY, broadband and mobile subscriptions but still receive the same service! What are my chances of them agreeing, do you think?

 

Absolute zero, I reckon!

 

 

 

Another facile compilation.

 

Have you never heard of a free trade agreement?

[Tofer]

11 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Then why the constant Brexiteer whinge because we've lost the advantages of membership?

 

 

More Brexiteer whingeing.

 

The EU are treating us the same as any other non member, subject to the terms and conditions of the trade agreement we have with them.

 

If you don't like those terms and conditions, complain to the man who negotiated it, David George Hamilton Frost, Baron Frost, CMG, and the man who signed it, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

 

The long list of ones the Brexiteers whinge about losing.

 

Including, but by no means restricted to, those you've listed.

 

More deflection... ????

[Tofer]

11 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Impossible to repeat an answer never given!

 

I'll take that as another example of your illiteracy and incomprehension then....