UK had 'one or two' Brexit teething issues on fishing, minister says

[Rookiescot]

21 minutes ago, Tofer said:

No, it was referenced as "the EU Institution"

Right so you only count the foreign aid from EU countries as what comes from the EU institutions? Each individual countries contributions are ignored?  

[Surelynot]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

Which ever way you care to look at it Johnson is a lot more popular than Starmer, the Trosky Labour Party are a spent force and rejoice at the fact we have a man worthy of the position he holds. So as much as the left don't believe in democracy, these are the facts I'm afraid.

And this is from the lefties bible:

"The prime minister’s net approval rating of 7 is his best since last May and, at two points higher than Starmer’s net rating of 5, it is also the first time his ratings have been above the Labour leader’s since then. Johnson has also established a clear lead when voters are asked who would make the best prime minister, with 37% opting for him and 25% choosing Starmer."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/14/boris-johnson-is-voters-clear-choice-for-pm-in-new-poll

 

No arguments at all regarding this......cast iron evidence..........just a complete mystery (to me at least).

150,000 victims of covid, 45% fall in exports, highest death rate in the world, biggest economic hit in the world......then along comes the vaccine and the whole nation goes weak at the knees for him?????

[Rookiescot]

22 minutes ago, OswaldBastable said:

I see the 'red tape' as the EU's way of punishing the UK for leaving.

Or you could see it as the price you have to pay for not being a member of the EU. Which is more accurate. If it was just the UK subject to these requirements you might have a point but given they apply to ALL non EU countries you dont.

This was all explained and foreseen prior to the referendum but you guys voted for this.  

[OswaldBastable]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

Or you could see it as the price you have to pay for not being a member of the EU. Which is more accurate. If it was just the UK subject to these requirements you might have a point but given they apply to ALL non EU countries you dont.

This was all explained and foreseen prior to the referendum but you guys voted for this.  

How much red tape did they put in front of our COVID vaccine? I bet it was nothing like 71 pages per delivery.

 

[vogie]

8 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

No arguments at all regarding this......cast iron evidence..........just a complete mystery (to me at least).

150,000 victims of covid, 45% fall in exports, highest death rate in the world, biggest economic hit in the world......then along comes the vaccine and the whole nation goes weak at the knees for him?????

It isn't a mystery to the rest of us why the Labour Party are so redundent, when like many on here you stop believing in democracy as did the Labour Party you should begin to realise that voting is not all about them or you and as proven it cost the Labour Party very dearly, so much so many think that they will never recover from being this embarrassingly bad.

And if you think that blaming Boris for all these covid deaths is 'your get out of jail card', I would seriously have a rethink.

Edited March 20, 2021 by vogie

[Surelynot]

32 minutes ago, OswaldBastable said:

I see the 'red tape' as the EU's way of punishing the UK for leaving.

Serious question.....is this red tape unique to the UK?......or is it the same red tape every "third country", not in the customs union and single market, has to complete?

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

It isn't a mystery to the rest of us why the Labour Party are so redundent, when like many on here you stop believing in democracy as did the Labour Party you should begin to realise that voting is not all about them or you and as proven it cost the Labour Party very dearly, so much so many think that they will never recover from being this embarrassingly bad.

And if you think that blaming Boris for all these covid deaths is 'your get out of jail card', I would seriously have a rethink.

I'll let the statutory public enquiry do the real blaming..........(looking forward to Cummings, 26th May. Should be interesting).

[Surelynot]

10 minutes ago, OswaldBastable said:

How much red tape did they put in front of our COVID vaccine? I bet it was nothing like 71 pages per delivery.

 

Do we export the vaccine to the EU.......?

[RayC]

51 minutes ago, vogie said:

Which ever way you care to look at it Johnson is a lot more popular than Starmer, the Trosky Labour Party are a spent force and rejoice at the fact we have a man worthy of the position he holds. 

Rejoice at the fact that we have a chancer and habitual liar as PM? Since when have these been positive attributes?

[Surelynot]

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

Rejoice at the fact that we have a chancer and habitual liar as PM? Since when have these been positive attributes?

I still have to do a double take when thinking about the situation we are in.....covid pandemic.....Brexit disaster......new Cold War looming......breakup of the Union.....potential troubles NI.......and the nation has entrusted our futures to a third rate journalist who has never done a days work in his life.?????

[vogie]

52 minutes ago, RayC said:

Rejoice at the fact that we have a chancer and habitual liar as PM? Since when have these been positive attributes?

Oh come off it, if Boris had kept us in the EU you would be saying about him 'what's a little white lie between friends.

To put things in perspective, most of the Boris Bashers on here are praising N Sturgeon who could give Tom Pepper a run for his money, hypocracy at its finest.

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Tom Pepper

 

From Seinfeld?

[vogie]

16 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

From Seinfeld?

I believe he was kicked out of hell for lying. I'm sure you knew that anyway but for those that don't.

The name of a character proverbially said to have been so great a liar that he was expelled from Hell; (hence) an outrageous liar; frequently in "a bigger liar than Tom Pepper" and variants.

 

[Rookiescot]

19 minutes ago, vogie said:

Oh come off it, if Boris had kept us in the EU you would be saying about him 'what's a little white lie between friends.

To put things in perspective, most of the Boris Bashers on here are praising N Sturgeon who could give Tom Pepper a run for his money, hypocracy at its finest.

You know what would be total hypocrisy? Fawning over a man who was sacked twice for lying. A man who has a clear record of lying to parliament and indeed the Queen. A man who consistently lied all the way through the Brexit campaign.

But demanding the resignation of Sturgeon just because you want to believe she lied.  

[RayC]

36 minutes ago, vogie said:

Oh come off it, if Boris had kept us in the EU you would be saying about him 'what's a little white lie between friends.

To put things in perspective, most of the Boris Bashers on here are praising N Sturgeon who could give Tom Pepper a run for his money, hypocracy at its finest.

As a matter of fact, Johnson did break his word about the date on which we would leave the EU. In June 2019, he said there would be no extension past 31 October 2019.

I guess that he can't help it. The habitual lying must be in his DNA.

It's interesting that you don't dispute my description of Johnson as a liar, but offer as a defence, an accusation that some other posters are being hypocritical.

Edited March 20, 2021 by RayC
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[vogie]

17 minutes ago, RayC said:

As a matter of fact, Johnson did break his word about the date on which we would leave the EU. In June 2019, he said there would be no extension past 31 October 2019.

I guess that he can't help it. The habitual lying must be in his DNA.

It's interesting that you don't dispute my description of Johnson as a liar, but offer as a defence, an accusation that some other posters are being hypocritical.

"It's interesting that you don't dispute my description of Johnson as a liar, "

Would it change your mind if I did, would you say I always over exaggerate Boris Johnsons fibs because he democratically took us out of the EU and I don't like it, I don't agree with it even though most of our country do. I will get back at the voters who voted to leave by calling the man childish names like liar. You should thank your bottom dollar that Labour are not ruining the country at the moment and thank the lord we have someone like Boris to lead us out of trials and tribulations we are suffering at this very time. 

Its about time some posters on here appreciated the difficulties the great man must be undergoing at the moment, instead of all this abuse you give him, why not say a little prayer for him tonight before you retire to the comfort of your own bed and be thankful you do not have his worries.

 

 

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Oh come off it, if Boris had kept us in the EU you would be saying about him 'what's a little white lie between friends.

To put things in perspective, most of the Boris Bashers on here are praising N Sturgeon who could give Tom Pepper a run for his money, hypocracy at its finest.

What has she been found guilty of? 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

I still have to do a double take when thinking about the situation we are in.....covid pandemic.....Brexit disaster......new Cold War looming......breakup of the Union.....potential troubles NI.......and the nation has entrusted our futures to a third rate journalist who has never done a days work in his life.?????

You summed up my feelings in your earlier post.

In many ways, it's a mystery to me how Johnson remains so popular. Starmer might not be the new Atlee - or even Blair - but surely people can't believe that he could be a worse PM than Johnson? 

I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I can only explain Johnson's popularity in the following terms. He has two invaluable attributes for a politician, namely (1) charisma and, more importantly, (2) luck. 

Although no one would wish for a pandemic, Covid distracted attention away from the farce that was Johnson's Brexit strategy. His complete mismanagement of the Covid crisis in 2020 is then, in turn, overlooked because of the success of the UK vaccination program, especially when compared to the cock-up that is going on throughout Europe.

The fact that the UK lacks coherent foreign and industrial policies and strategies for the future, and has no idea of it's place in the world post-Brexit, appears to be irrelevant.

The one thing that seems to be important to a large proportion of the UK electorate is that we continue to battle against the 'evil empire' that is the EU. The fact that we have now left  is besides the point; it is the enemy and must be destroyed. 

Unfortunately in the absence of anything positive to offer, Johnson is happy to play along with this narrative.

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

You summed up my feelings in your earlier post.

In many ways, it's a mystery to me how Johnson remains so popular. Starmer might not be the new Atlee - or even Blair - but surely people can't believe that he could be a worse PM than Johnson? 

I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I can only explain Johnson's popularity in the following terms. He has two invaluable attributes for a politician, namely (1) charisma and, more importantly, (2) luck. 

Although no one would wish for a pandemic, Covid distracted attention away from the farce that was Johnson's Brexit strategy. His complete mismanagement of the Covid crisis in 2020 is then, in turn, overlooked because of the success of the UK vaccination program, especially when compared to the cock-up that is going on throughout Europe.

The fact that the UK lacks coherent foreign and industrial policies and strategies for the future, and has no idea of it's place in the world post-Brexit, appears to be irrelevant.

The one thing that seems to be important to a large proportion of the UK electorate is that we continue to battle against the 'evil empire' that is the EU. The fact that we have now left  is besides the point; it is the enemy and must be destroyed. 

Unfortunately in the absence of anything positive to offer, Johnson is happy to play along with this narrative.

I suspect that as long as we remain locked into the FPTP system, where a minority of votes can give a thumping majority, we will never see a break from such polarised politics. Despite being out of power for a decade, I still think that Labour would not support any move away from the status quo either - the two big parties have much to lose if we had a fairer, more representative government. 

Now we see a situation that the winners are the more media savvy, where the message needs to be less about their own party's policies as about scaring the population about what is the only alternative available. 

[Surelynot]

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

You summed up my feelings in your earlier post.

In many ways, it's a mystery to me how Johnson remains so popular. Starmer might not be the new Atlee - or even Blair - but surely people can't believe that he could be a worse PM than Johnson? 

I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I can only explain Johnson's popularity in the following terms. He has two invaluable attributes for a politician, namely (1) charisma and, more importantly, (2) luck. 

Although no one would wish for a pandemic, Covid distracted attention away from the farce that was Johnson's Brexit strategy. His complete mismanagement of the Covid crisis in 2020 is then, in turn, overlooked because of the success of the UK vaccination program, especially when compared to the cock-up that is going on throughout Europe.

The fact that the UK lacks coherent foreign and industrial policies and strategies for the future, and has no idea of it's place in the world post-Brexit, appears to be irrelevant.

The one thing that seems to be important to a large proportion of the UK electorate is that we continue to battle against the 'evil empire' that is the EU. The fact that we have now left  is besides the point; it is the enemy and must be destroyed. 

Unfortunately in the absence of anything positive to offer, Johnson is happy to play along with this narrative.

Saw a snippet of news on Mayors of London......with no axe to grind the report asked..... the luckiest Mayor ever?

Johnson........he had a Conservative Government backing him......his Head Of Equality (?) said they had so much money thrown at them they didn't know what to do with it all......they had cash to buy 8000 new buses straight from the off.....the bike scheme was not his it was a carry over from KL.......the Olympics came and went....yes a huge success, but nothing to do with Johnson......and he had the cash to surround himself with professionals who did 'all the thinking' for him.

Luck runs out eventually......doesn't it?

[Sujo]

19 minutes ago, vogie said:

"It's interesting that you don't dispute my description of Johnson as a liar, "

Would it change your mind if I did, would you say I always over exaggerate Boris Johnsons fibs because he democratically took us out of the EU and I don't like it, I don't agree with it even though most of our country do. 

 

 

You have zero evidence that most of the country wanted out. 

[Surelynot]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

I believe he was kicked out of hell for lying. I'm sure you knew that anyway but for those that don't.

The name of a character proverbially said to have been so great a liar that he was expelled from Hell; (hence) an outrageous liar; frequently in "a bigger liar than Tom Pepper" and variants.

 

Thought this might interest you........

 

https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-25015,00.html

[7by7]

On 3/19/2021 at 3:51 AM, Tofer said:

Blah, blah, blah, same old churlish nonsense, to deflect from the UK's real achievements, that has already been debated ad nauseam.

 Not churlish nonsense; the truth.

That you keep praising Truss and her so called deals wont alter that.

[7by7]

15 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

<snip> As such a veterinary agreement as a stand-alone agreement may not be an option for the UK since they only want the benefits without the responsibilities. 

The benefits without the responsibilities is what the Leave campaign promised in 2016.

Unfortunately, evidence to the contrary was labelled 'Project Fear' by Leave and enough people believed this nonsense to give Leave the narrow victory.

[7by7]

4 hours ago, OswaldBastable said:

I see the 'red tape' as the EU's way of punishing the UK for leaving.

Are you yet another Brexiteer who believed that we would retain all the benefits of membership without the responsibilities?

Your comment certainly suggests that you are!

We have left the EU and now have to suffer the consequences; get over it!

[7by7]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

Which ever way you care to look at it Johnson is a lot more popular than Starmer, the Trosky Labour Party are a spent force and rejoice at the fact we have a man worthy of the position he holds. So as much as the left doesn't believe in democracy, these are the facts I'm afraid.

And this is from the lefties bible:

"The prime minister’s net approval rating of 7 is his best since last May and, at two points higher than Starmer’s net rating of 5, it is also the first time his ratings have been above the Labour leader’s since then. Johnson has also established a clear lead when voters are asked who would make the best prime minister, with 37% opting for him and 25% choosing Starmer."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/14/boris-johnson-is-voters-clear-choice-for-pm-in-new-poll

 

 

So after 10 months of his being behind, you claim this as a magnificent victory for Johnson!

I seem to recall that whenever polls showing Starmer ahead were referenced during the last 10 months that you dismissed them as unrepresentative. Though I may be misremembering and it could have been a different poster.

[7by7]

4 hours ago, OswaldBastable said:

How much red tape did they put in front of our COVID vaccine? I bet it was nothing like 71 pages per delivery.

 

As it's manufactured in the EU, not much!

[7by7]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

<snip> And if you think that blaming Boris for all these covid deaths is 'your get out of jail card', I would seriously have a rethink.

I'll ignore the fact that so many Brexiteers are using the pandemic to excuse the economic problems caused by Brexit! Other than to say that yes, the pandemic has hit us hard, as it has everywhere. But Brexit has made the situation  worse.

Instead; let's have a look at Johnson's handling of the pandemic.

You've developed a fondness for opinion polls; so here's one: Two-Thirds of MPs Think Boris Johnson Has Handled The Covid-19 Crisis Badly, New Research Suggests

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Two-thirds of MPs surveyed claim they aren’t happy with how Boris Johnson has handled the coronavirus pandemic, according to a new poll.

The fresh data also revealed that just 9% of respondents were satisfied with the UK government’s response to the crisis, with 62% stating they were dissatisfied.

OK, that was December; but I wonder by how much, if any, the numbers have changed.

Here's a more recent one from January: How is government handling the COVID-19 pandemic?

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Overall, six in ten (60%) people say the government is handling the pandemic badly as a whole; including 31% who say the issue of COVID-19 has been “very badly” handled. Just over a third of Britons (37%) they have handled it well, although only 5% say they have handled it “very well”.

From the start, Johnson has dithered and that dithering has cost lives. 15 'mistakes' made in handling coronavirus pandemic as UK death toll reaches 100,000.

Add to that list things such as the long delay in introducing self isolation for those arriving in the UK from abroad and the even longer delay in introducing quarantine for those arriving from high risk countries.

[7by7]

5 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Serious question.....is this red tape unique to the UK?......or is it the same red tape every "third country", not in the customs union and single market, has to complete?

It depends on what, if any, trade agreement that country has with the EU; but for most countries outside the EEA; maybe not exactly the same, but very similar.

From the EU Commission: Import and export rules.

 

[RayC]

27 minutes ago, vogie said:

"It's interesting that you don't dispute my description of Johnson as a liar, "

Would it change your mind if I did, would you say I always over exaggerate Boris Johnsons fibs because he democratically took us out of the EU and I don't like it, I don't agree with it even though most of our country do. I will get back at the voters who voted to leave by calling the man childish names like liar. You should thank your bottom dollar that Labour are not ruining the country at the moment and thank the lord we have someone like Boris to lead us out of trials and tribulations we are suffering at this very time. 

Its about time some posters on here appreciated the difficulties the great man must be undergoing at the moment, instead of all this abuse you give him, why not say a little prayer for him tonight before you retire to the comfort of your own bed and be thankful you do not have his worries.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, vogie said:

"It's interesting that you don't dispute my description of Johnson as a liar, "

Would it change your mind if I did, would you say I always over exaggerate Boris Johnsons fibs because he democratically took us out of the EU and I don't like it, I don't agree with it even though most of our country do. I will get back at the voters who voted to leave by calling the man childish names like liar. You should thank your bottom dollar that Labour are not ruining the country at the moment and thank the lord we have someone like Boris to lead us out of trials and tribulations we are suffering at this very time. 

Its about time some posters on here appreciated the difficulties the great man must be undergoing at the moment, instead of all this abuse you give him, why not say a little prayer for him tonight before you retire to the comfort of your own bed and be thankful you do not have his worries.

 

 

'Fibber' sounds so much gentler and nicer than 'liar', doesn't it? Well, at least we agree that he has uttered falsehoods.

For that very reason, you are also correct that nothing you can say will change my mind about him, so my apologies for posing a rhetorical question.

Unfortunately, that is where our accord ends. Imo Labour - or probably any other party - could not make a bigger pig's ear of preparing the UK's future than the current administration, especially when it comes to trying to forge a future relationship with the EU than the current administration.

As I said in another post, the success of the UK vaccination programme to date seems to have lead to a collective amnesia among many of the electorate, and the complete mismanagement of the pandemic last year appears to have been forgotten. Others are clearly more forgiving than me.

As you might have guessed l'm no Tory, but personally the only two cabinet members who spring to mind as being potentially more ill-suited to the position of PM than Johnson are Patel and Williamson, although I''m open to persuasion about the others.

However, I will say something positive about Johnson: I thoroughly enjoyed his appearances on HIGNFY, and I look forward to him reappearing on the show asap. I may even offer up a little prayer in this regard.