SURVEY: Should Scotland seek independence from the UK?

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

As I said I have faith in the result. S

o should the UK government do what your government did and ignore a referendum result.

Why doesn't the EU give every member a vote on leaving as the dynamics have changed the UK has left.

I think I know your answer

I know the answer......it's not up to the EU.

[Laughing Gravy]

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

I know the answer......it's not up to the EU.

That just shows how extremely little you know how the EU works.  Also the arrogance of preempting someone else's answer.

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

That just shows how extremely little you know how the EU works.  Also the arrogance of preempting someone else's answer.

What countries asked the eu if they could leave?

[Laughing Gravy]

Just now, Sujo said:

What countries asked the eu if they could leave?

Do your own research and stop being lazy.  Here is a tip don't just look at it in a black and white way.

 

[Laughing Gravy]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

What countries asked the eu if they could leave?

You are either trolling or just don't read. It was about referendums being ignored.

 

[CharlieH]

Reported troll comment removed.

[stevenl]

7 hours ago, kingdong said:

They had a vote recent!y,how many more do they want?

Would be up to them.

[RayC]

On 3/8/2021 at 2:28 PM, KhaoYai said:

 Will Yorkshire start asking for self government, then West Yorkshire?

Hope springs eternal

[Rookiescot]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Well, you had a Democratic referendum and voted to Remain, so there I'd say that's pretty Democratic.

Certainly more democratic than anything you'd experience when voting for who sits in the EU commission.

 

Do we get a vote on who sits in the House of Lords?

Or who gets to be the head of State?

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Do we get a vote on who sits in the House of Lords?

Or who gets to be the head of State?

No, but neither of those make the key political decisions about the country.

The HOL can muck Parliament around a bit, but ultimately the democratically elected Parliament is sovereign. Each of those MP's is directly elected by the public.

Huge difference to the lack of transparency and democracy in the way the EU commission is elected selected.

[Bluespunk]

41 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

No, but neither of those make the key political decisions about the country.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vetted-more-than-1000-laws-via-queens-consent

[7by7]

On 3/8/2021 at 12:25 AM, pacovl46 said:

Bon Scott was born in Scotland and later emigrated to Australia with his family when he was 8. 

Did he ever have a British passport?

Did he ever say he considered himself Scottish?

 

[7by7]

On 3/8/2021 at 12:40 AM, Jimbo53 said:

You obviously are missing the point...Scotland is part of the UK!!!

And has been since 1707; thanks to bribes paid by the English to the Scottish nobles!

Ever since, there has been a desire amongst some Scots to regain their independence. 

What is now the Republic of Ireland was once part of the UK; it is now and independent nation and has been since 1923.

[7by7]

On 3/8/2021 at 12:59 AM, vogie said:

If Brexit hadn’t happened then I’d be on your side of the argument,

Thank you, you have hit the nail on the head and answered the question of why non UK citizens want the nationalists to have independence........... Revenge. 

 What a pathetic argument!

You do realise that you are saying that if the Scots are allowed a second referendum you believe they'd vote for independence!

Most people here, including myself, arguing for a second referendum are British; a large proportion Scottish.

Yes, I'm a Remainer, but I don't want the Scots to have a second referendum out of some petty revenge motive for Brexit; I want them to have it as the UK they voted to remain a part of in 2014 no longer exists.

BTW, I am also a unionists.

[7by7]

On 3/8/2021 at 8:32 AM, youreavinalaff said:

On 3/8/2021 at 1:50 AM, sandyf said:

NI was given the right to a vote on self determination under the Belfast Agreement, why should Scotland be any different.

2014?

As explained by many, the UK Scotland voted to remain a part of in 2014 no longer exists.

Why is that so hard to understand. 

There is no time limit set in the Belfast agreement between polls.

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As part of the Good Friday Agreement, an explicit provision for holding a Northern Ireland border poll was made in UK law. The Northern Ireland Act 1998 states that “if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland”, the Secretary of State shall make an Order in Council enabling a border poll. (Source)

Why should Scots not have the same right as the Northern Irish?

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

No, but neither of those make the key political decisions about the country.

The HOL can muck Parliament around a bit, but ultimately the democratically elected Parliament is sovereign. Each of those MP's is directly elected by the public.

Huge difference to the lack of transparency and democracy in the way the EU commission is elected selected.

The HoL introduces loads of legislation every year. Were you also claiming the HoL was meaningless when it kept rejecting Brexit legislation? 

[7by7]

On 3/10/2021 at 6:58 AM, Laughing Gravy said:

I have faith like last time that the majority of Scots are happier in the Union than on their own. So don't try and put words in my mouth.

 Then why are you so against giving them the choice of leave or remain?

[7by7]

10 hours ago, kingdong said:

Then let scotland pay for them,you dont get owt for nowt lad.

 Just like they did in 2014!

Ask Full Fact: Who is paying for the Scottish referendum?

 

[7by7]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Yep the Scots had their vote, as did we. Fair's fair.

The slogan was 'taking back control', not 'getting rid of foreigners'.

 Have you forgotten one of the main thrusts of the Leave campaigns?

For example:

[7by7]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

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Why doesn't the EU give every member a vote on leaving as the dynamics have changed the UK has left.

Because it is not up to the EU. It is up to each and every member to decide for themselves.

 

[7by7]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

That just shows how extremely little you know how the EU works.  Also the arrogance of preempting someone else's answer.

 Please show us where in any EU regulations or treaties it says that a member state has to obtain the EU's permission before holding a referendum.

I don't recall us doing it in 2016!

[7by7]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You are either trolling or just don't read. It was about referendums being ignored.

 

Really?

A reminder of what you actually said

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Why doesn't the EU give every member a vote on leaving as the dynamics have changed the UK has left.

 

As for referendums in member states being ignored by the EU; got any examples?

There are examples where a member state rejected an EU proposal and then held a second referendum after obtaining concessions, opt outs or other changes to the proposal. Such as the Danish referendums on the Maastricht Treaty and the Irish referendums on the Lisbon Treaty.

 

[7by7]

 

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

5 hours ago, Sujo said:

What countries asked the eu if they could leave?

Do your own research and stop being lazy.  Here is a tip don't just look at it in a black and white way.

Yet again a Brexiteer makes a claim and when challenged demands others to prove it for them!

[7by7]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Huge difference to the lack of transparency and democracy in the way the EU commission is elected selected.

 

The EU commission does not make nor vet any laws. Neither does it make any, let alone key, political decisions.

All that is the responsibility of the commission's elected political masters; the European Parliament and the Council of Ministers.

[RayC]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

No, but neither of those make the key political decisions about the country.

The HOL can muck Parliament around a bit, but ultimately the democratically elected Parliament is sovereign. Each of those MP's is directly elected by the public.

Huge difference to the lack of transparency and democracy in the way the EU commission is elected selected.

"The Commissioners are proposed by the Council of the European Union, on the basis of suggestions made by the national governments, and then appointed by the European Council after the approval of the European Parliament. (Wikipedia; their bolding)"

Sounds like a transparent and pretty democratic process.

Remind me who elected Lord Frost, Minister of State at the Cabinet Office?

[elliss]

On 3/8/2021 at 6:42 PM, Rookiescot said:

 

Really? So remarks made by politicians are set in tablets of stone are they?

Remarks like "dead in a ditch" and "over my dead body"? 

 

Try this one .

   Covid 19 ,  is dyiing out...

 

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Did he ever have a British passport?

Did he ever say he considered himself Scottish?

 

He played the bagpipes,so i would say yes.

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

He played the bagpipes,so i would say yes.

Good grief I forgot all about that.

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Other guys playing the pipes are from the Black Watch. Tartan is instantly recognisable. 

[upu2]

On 3/6/2021 at 7:46 PM, Scott said:

Although it is a complex issue, in your opinion should Scotland seek independence from the UK?

 

Please feel free to leave a comment.

Let them. They are always whinging so lets seee how they get on when they have no money from the UK government.

[robblok]

9 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

As I said I have faith in the result. S

o should the UK government do what your government did and ignore a referendum result.

Why doesn't the EU give every member a vote on leaving as the dynamics have changed the UK has left.

I think I know your answer

Every member can leave if they want, Brexit proved that. Bit strange your remark.

Of course the UK could ignore the result, depends a bit what kind of referendum it is. If its a non binding one like in my country and with a really low vote percentage (32% or so in of the vote you refer to in the Netherlands so only 32% people turned up to vote)

You only like democracy and voting if you can't lose. Your deadly afraid that your Brexit vote could have been the beginning of the end of the Uk. We will see in future how history will talk about you lot.