SURVEY: Should Scotland seek independence from the UK?

[vogie]

29 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

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Edited March 8, 2021 by vogie

[vogie]

Just now, vogie said:

 

For some reason again my post has been included with yours, twice now.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

 

 

2. Scotland voted to remain.

3.Where is the legally binding promise it was once in a generation? Throwaway remarks do not count. You should know this. After all the slogans banded about by Brexiteers have been conveniently forgotten/ignored by the very same man who is now the prime minister. Which is something else Scotland didnt vote for. The man who claimed he would rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension. The man who said a border down the Irish sea would only happen over his dead body.

4. You seem to hold very strong opinions on what Scotland should and should not be allowed to do. Why is that?

5.6.7. You fail to address why you have issues with people pointing out Brexiteer hypocrisy regardless of where they come from. 

[Rookiescot]

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

For some reason again my post has been included with yours, twice now.

 

Dont worry about it I got the gist. 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Dont worry about it I got the gist. 

I have deleted it to stop any confusing, it may be my fault, at 70 your faculties do not become sharper.

[Rookiescot]

10 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Messrs Salmond and Cameron both agreed, and both said publicly that it was so. It was clearly understood by everyone. To talk about legally binding agreements really is splitting hairs!

 

Really? So remarks made by politicians are set in tablets of stone are they?

Remarks like "dead in a ditch" and "over my dead body"? 

[Rookiescot]

Just now, vogie said:

I have deleted it to stop any confusing, it may be my fault, at 70 your faculties do not become sharper.

 

Dont worry about it Vogie like I said I understood your points. 

[Knocker33]

I wish someone would hold a referendum in England to be shut of the winging jocks. I think it would be resounding. Yes

[Surelynot]

4 minutes ago, Knocker33 said:

I wish someone would hold a referendum in England to be shut of the winging jocks. I think it would be resounding. Yes

Link?

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, Knocker33 said:

I wish someone would hold a referendum in England to be shut of the winging jocks. I think it would be resounding. Yes

 

You can always console yourself by watching the six nations rugby.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

 

You can always console yourself by watching the six nations rugby.

Ooooo...now that is cruel....

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

2. Scotland voted to remain.

3.Where is the legally binding promise it was once in a generation? Throwaway remarks do not count. You should know this. After all the slogans banded about by Brexiteers have been conveniently forgotten/ignored by the very same man who is now the prime minister. Which is something else Scotland didnt vote for. The man who claimed he would rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension. The man who said a border down the Irish sea would only happen over his dead body.

4. You seem to hold very strong opinions on what Scotland should and should not be allowed to do. Why is that?

5.6.7. You fail to address why you have issues with people pointing out Brexiteer hypocrisy regardless of where they come from. 

It is purely going around in circles and you making excuses because the vote didn't go as you would have liked. We could, well you could argue all day about it being a "throwaway" remark, not to put a too finer point on it, the remark must have been thrown away a 100 times. It was said said in a meaningfull way and not a throwaway type of way, but I guess you know this already but if you concede to this it totally destroys your argument.

Why do I hold strong views on the Union, because the union belongs to us all, I was born into the UK where we were free to pass through it unhindered without having to worry about idiots like Sean Clerkin checking our documents before we are allowed to visit the Edinburgh Tattoo. It needs to remain this way for all our future generations also..

I haven't failed to address anything, if you read all my posts you would see this.

[UKresonant]

On 3/7/2021 at 9:27 AM, robblok said:

Then your probably not worried if they hold a binding referendum on it. I mean you want the people to choose. So let them have their choice. Now that Brexit happened things have changed opinions have change let the Scots have their say.

 How could it be binding, best out of three? The minority would surely have to insist to have another referendum in say about 2027 say, if they SNP did get their political hobby wish. which seems a lifetime away. Principle is already established by; the SNP it would seem.

 

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, UKresonant said:

How could it be binding

I think he means as a opposed to the EU referendum which wasn't legally binding.

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

It is purely going around in circles and you making excuses because the vote didn't go as you would have liked. We could, well you could argue all day about it being a "throwaway" remark, not to put a too finer point on it, the remark must have been thrown away a 100 times. It was said said in a meaningfull way and not a throwaway type of way, but I guess you know this already but if you concede to this it totally destroys your argument.

Why do I hold strong views on the Union, because the union belongs to us all, I was born into the UK where we were free to pass through it unhindered without having to worry about idiots like Sean Clerkin checking our documents before we are allowed to visit the Edinburgh Tattoo. It needs to remain this way for all our future generations also..

I haven't failed to address anything, if you read all my posts you would see this.

 

It was not thrown around like a Brexiteer slogan Vogie. Half a dozen times at most.

There have been many people born while we were members of the EU. They have had their rights to travel unrestricted around europe stripped from them.

Sean Clerkin is a clown. We can at least agree on that.

[Timwin]

[robblok]

14 minutes ago, UKresonant said:

 How could it be binding, best out of three? The minority would surely have to insist to have another referendum in say about 2027 say, if they SNP did get their political hobby wish. which seems a lifetime away. Principle is already established by; the SNP it would seem.

 

Of course not but something fundamentally changed. Besides why limit the Scots their rights to vote and leave. I guess someone is scared. If its a minority why worry about it. I guess its not a minority all the die hard brexiteers are so against it because they know its not a minority. 

 

Brexit the gift that keeps giving. The UK had their vote, the majority of Scots did not like it. Now they can have their vote and leave. Besides once they leave its done its not like they can come back that easy. I mean in theory its possible just like the UK coming back to the EU just not going to happen anytime soon. 

[robblok]

Just now, Timwin said:

At least they can choose their own master this way. But right should not be allowed should it I mean something the English too by force to be given back to its people.

[vogie]

34 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

It was not thrown around like a Brexiteer slogan Vogie. Half a dozen times at most.

There have been many people born while we were members of the EU. They have had their rights to travel unrestricted around europe stripped from them.

Sean Clerkin is a clown. We can at least agree on that.

Doesn't sound like Sturgeon and Salmond were throwing the remark away to me anyway. What do you think rookie?

 

 

[elliss]

On 3/7/2021 at 3:47 PM, Bluespunk said:

The majority in Scotland also voted that they wanted to remain in the EU...

 

       Will the EU,  want Scotland , when /if ever it leaves the UK .

     To be a member of the EU . 

     Mouth n trousers  wee  nickers ,  are in a  big knot ..

        

[Rookiescot]

On 3/8/2021 at 7:38 PM, vogie said:

Doesn't sound like Sturgeon and Salmond were throwing the remark away to me anyway. What do you think rookie?

 

 

 

A video repeating the same quotes multiple times does not mean it was commonly used.

Its asinine anyway. Its a throwaway remark. The same as "dead in a ditch" or "over my dead body".

Show us a legally binding agreement for the last referendum to be once in a lifetime or forget it.

[Bluespunk]

On 3/8/2021 at 4:03 PM, elliss said:

 

       Will the EU,  want Scotland , when /if ever it leaves the UK .

     To be a member of the EU . 

     Mouth n trousers  wee  nickers ,  are in a  big knot ..

        

That is an issue for the future, and one that Scotland and the EU can decide for themselves, without any input from westminster, I'm sure.

Edited March 10, 2021 by Bluespunk

[Laughing Gravy]

On 3/8/2021 at 3:56 PM, Sujo said:

And they should have another one at any time they want.

lets have one every week, as that is as sensible as your suggestion.

Or do it the EU's way. Have one until they get the right outcome.

[stevenl]

On 3/8/2021 at 1:55 PM, vogie said:

It is purely going around in circles and you making excuses because the vote didn't go as you would have liked. We could, well you could argue all day about it being a "throwaway" remark, not to put a too finer point on it, the remark must have been thrown away a 100 times. It was said said in a meaningfull way and not a throwaway type of way, but I guess you know this already but if you concede to this it totally destroys your argument.

Why do I hold strong views on the Union, because the union belongs to us all, I was born into the UK where we were free to pass through it unhindered without having to worry about idiots like Sean Clerkin checking our documents before we are allowed to visit the Edinburgh Tattoo. It needs to remain this way for all our future generations also..

I haven't failed to address anything, if you read all my posts you would see this.

"Why do I hold strong views on the Union, because the union belongs to us all, I was born into the UK where we were free to pass through it unhindered without having to worry about idiots like Sean Clerkin checking our documents before we are allowed to visit the Edinburgh Tattoo. It needs to remain this way for all our future generations also.."

You mean like you were free to travel to The Louvre without any documents check?

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

lets have one every week, as that is as sensible as your suggestion.

Or do it the EU's way. Have one until they get the right outcome.

If there are major changes like brexit every week then yes.

[Sujo]

On 3/8/2021 at 7:47 PM, Knocker33 said:

I wish someone would hold a referendum in England to be shut of the winging jocks. I think it would be resounding. Yes

And the scots would be happy. But you wont allow it.

[Laughing Gravy]

11 minutes ago, Sujo said:

If there are major changes like brexit every week then yes.

What about a new government. A new crisis when the first minister and her team lose minutes of vital meetings and can't recall what she said.

Edited March 10, 2021 by Laughing Gravy

[Sujo]

15 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

What about a new government. A new crisis when the first minister and her team lose minutes of vital meetings and can't recall what she said.

Best you agree to letting them vote and hoping they leave then.

[Laughing Gravy]

12 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Best you agree to letting them vote and hoping they leave then.

I have faith like last time that the majority of Scots are happier in the Union than on their own. So don't try and put words in my mouth.

[kingdong]

On 3/7/2021 at 8:29 AM, Sujo said:

No, but most want scotland to have that choice themselves intead of being told they must stay.

They had a vote recent!y,how many more do they want?