Windows 10 software updater

[Bruno123]

38 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Thank you for your suggestion.

 

How difficult would it be as my pc is an Acer All In One model?

 

One reason is that it is still under warranty.

 

IMHO I would prefer the SSD to be at least the equivalent of 1tB.

 

It is certainly a task that I would not want to try myself which means that I would have to go back to the dealer I bought it from in Kamphaeng Phet 65km away.

 

It is an Acer Aspire C24-320-A98G1T23Mi/T001.

 

You appear to be placing yourself between a rock and a hard place.

 

You want to know if it is difficult to fit, but then you state that you don't want to do it yourself.

 

You also state that you don't want to do it because it is under warranty. You really seem to be hamstringing yourself. Do you really want to suffer for two years with a relatively slow PC before you do something about it?

 

Sometimes you need to focus on how to move forward, instead of reasons to keep the status quo, however unpalatable.

 

Ask ACER or the dealer whether changing the HDD for an SSD will affect the warranty for the device as a whole.

[Eindhoven]

  

32 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Thank you for your suggestion.

 

How difficult would it be as my pc is an Acer All In One model?

 

One reason is that it is still under warranty.

 

IMHO I would prefer the SSD to be at least the equivalent of 1tB.

 

It is certainly a task that I would not want to try myself which means that I would have to go back to the dealer I bought it from in Kamphaeng Phet 65km away.

 

It is an Acer Aspire C24-320-A98G1T23Mi/T001.

 

 

The CPU is relatively poor. This device should really have been sold with an SSD, but that would have made the price unattractive to some.

 

I suggested 500 GB because I thought you might be price sensitive; but it's really up to you; 1TB/2TB according to the depth of your pockets.

 

My advice would be to not buy DRAMless SSD.  A good indicator if you are not a technical person is the length of the warranty. If five years, then there is a good chance that it has DRAM.

 

https://shopee.co.th/Crucial-1TB-MX500-SATA3-2.5-SSD-i.44499173.2068212771

 

https://www.jib.co.th/web/product/readProduct/45273/1028/1-TB-SSD--เอสเอสดี--SAMSUNG-870-EVO-SATA-III--MZ-77E1T0BW-  are  good examples.

 

 

If the device has the same casing as this one:

 

 

 

then it's a relatively easy job. A novice could complete it in perhaps fifteen to twenty minutes; most of that time spent in removing and replacing the casing at the back. You don't need to increase the RAM, so you don't need to go further than removing the first part of the casing.

It's a worthy upgrade. 

To give you a very rough comparison: Imagine you still played LPs on your turntable; when you want to listen to another track out of sequence, you would have to pick the arm up and move it...it all took time.  Then you moved to CDs and it was all a lot more convenient; but still a lot of spinning and sometimes confusion. Then we moved to MP3 players and it was even faster and we could take it with us, running even.

Your current system is somewhere between a record player and CD. Constantly spinning trying to find things and sometimes getting itself into a muddle when too much is occurring.

It's not really fit for purpose. HDD should be used for storage only; not as a Operating System Boot drive.

With a solid state drive and it's 8 GB or RAM, your AIO will work as it should and not be held back by it's slow and clumsy spinning disc drive.

[Eindhoven]

It's also worth a mention, if you do decide to follow up on the warranty question with ACER or the dealer as per the earlier suggestion made on the thread(I note that it has a three year warranty and agree that using it for three years before adding the SSD that should have been there in the first place, would be a poor decision. Worst case you can get an ACER service centre to do the work. They are not expensive. It's just your location that is an issue), that there is a spare M.2 slot. So you can may be able to fit an M.2 SSD in addition to what is there already or have both an M.2 and SATA SSD at the same time. Maybe 512 GB each to keep the budget sensible.

 

I note that ACER supply on-site service. So you might have the possibility of them travelling to you to fit the parts; which would definitely be the best solution for you. You buy the parts and pay them for travelling to you and labour.

• Warranty : 3 Years Parts & Labor and 3 Year On-Site Service

Enquire. Sometimes a little gentle persuasion can work wonders. ???? 

They will know whether the spare M.2 slot is SATA or PCIe(NVMe). Best to do it through them, as then your warranty will remain intact. You will have a much faster and efficient PC.

 

https://acerthailand.com/all-model/#filter=.g-allinone.g-aspire-c

 

Yours is DQ.BBKST.001

[Covedian21]

On 4/3/2021 at 7:05 PM, billd766 said:

Step 1 Open Windows 10 Update Assistant

 

Step 2 Do you want to allow this app to make changes to this device?

 

Step 3 Click on Yes

 

Step 4 Let the app run

 

Step 5 Find something to do for the next 4 or 5 hours until it fails and reverts back to the original and undoes all the previous actions.

 

Luckily we have no dog to kick, the outdoor cat runs and hides when I go MoHo again.

Please follow these steps: 

 

I am  a new member and hope that I did this right. Sorry, if color isn't allowed. 

 

   #For Upgrade
- If your existing OS is Win 10 HOME
1. Go into airplane mode or disconnect from the internet
2. Change key to
X3W8N-3WQCV-2MXDF-K77MK-7XMP6 (windows 10 pro default key)
this will upgrade to Win 10 Pro, without activating
3. After upgrade, connect internet and Enter Win 10 Pro key

P.S. It also works without airplane mode, I've tried it. 

[Eindhoven]

4 hours ago, Covedian21 said:

Please follow these steps: 

 

I am  a new member and hope that I did this right. Sorry, if color isn't allowed. 

 

   #For Upgrade
- If your existing OS is Win 10 HOME
1. Go into airplane mode or disconnect from the internet
2. Change key to
X3W8N-3WQCV-2MXDF-K77MK-7XMP6 (windows 10 pro default key)
this will upgrade to Win 10 Pro, without activating
3. After upgrade, connect internet and Enter Win 10 Pro key

 

 

Already posted.

New member doesn't mean that you don't bother to check what was posted on the very first page of the topic.

[billd766]

On 4/21/2021 at 2:05 PM, Eindhoven said:

  

 

 

The CPU is relatively poor. This device should really have been sold with an SSD, but that would have made the price unattractive to some.

 

I suggested 500 GB because I thought you might be price sensitive; but it's really up to you; 1TB/2TB according to the depth of your pockets.

 

My advice would be to not buy DRAMless SSD.  A good indicator if you are not a technical person is the length of the warranty. If five years, then there is a good chance that it has DRAM.

 

https://shopee.co.th/Crucial-1TB-MX500-SATA3-2.5-SSD-i.44499173.2068212771

 

https://www.jib.co.th/web/product/readProduct/45273/1028/1-TB-SSD--เอสเอสดี--SAMSUNG-870-EVO-SATA-III--MZ-77E1T0BW-  are  good examples.

 

 

If the device has the same casing as this one:

 

 

 

then it's a relatively easy job. A novice could complete it in perhaps fifteen to twenty minutes; most of that time spent in removing and replacing the casing at the back. You don't need to increase the RAM, so you don't need to go further than removing the first part of the casing.

It's a worthy upgrade. 

To give you a very rough comparison: Imagine you still played LPs on your turntable; when you want to listen to another track out of sequence, you would have to pick the arm up and move it...it all took time.  Then you moved to CDs and it was all a lot more convenient; but still a lot of spinning and sometimes confusion. Then we moved to MP3 players and it was even faster and we could take it with us, running even.

Your current system is somewhere between a record player and CD. Constantly spinning trying to find things and sometimes getting itself into a muddle when too much is occurring.

It's not really fit for purpose. HDD should be used for storage only; not as a Operating System Boot drive.

With a solid state drive and it's 8 GB or RAM, your AIO will work as it should and not be held back by it's slow and clumsy spinning disc drive.

Thank you for your informative post. At least I can understand quite a bit of it but there are a couple of posters here determined to find fault with every post I make.

 

The internal SDD was a suggestion by another poster and all I did was ask if it was easy to do, and if it would affect the warranty.

 

I certainly wouldn't attempt to do it myself as I no longer have the skills (or eyesight) to do so.

 

Your links and explanations are relatively easy to understand.

 

Thank you once again.

[Covedian21]

13 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Thank you for your informative post. At least I can understand quite a bit of it but there are a couple of posters here determined to find fault with every post I make.

 

The internal SDD was a suggestion by another poster and all I did was ask if it was easy to do, and if it would affect the warranty.

 

I certainly wouldn't attempt to do it myself as I no longer have the skills (or eyesight) to do so.

 

Your links and explanations are relatively easy to understand.

 

Thank you once again.

To upgrade to an SSD drive is relatively easy and you can use free software to clone your new SSD before you just put it in , as shown in the movie. 

Basically plug and play.

 

  Cloning means that all files will be where they were before and the machine will boot up much faster. Macrium is a free software program from the UK and it does a great job.

 

      You can make a system backup with it easily and you can clone your hard drive with it. 

 

  Here's the Macrium download link: ( select home use) https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

 

Here's how you use Macrium to clone your HD:  

Whatever you decide, best of luck. It's an easy job. It's always good to have a back up of your current system on an external hard drive connected via USB.

 

If there's a problem with your operating system, it takes about 15 minutes to get back to normal. 

 

 

Edited April 22, 2021 by Covedian21

[billd766]

8 minutes ago, Covedian21 said:

To upgrade to an SSD drive is relatively easy and you can use free software to clone your new SSD before you just put it in , as shown in the movie. 

Basically plug and play.

 

  Cloning means that all files will be where they were before and the machine will boot up much faster. Macrium is a free software program from the UK and it does a great job.

 

      You can make a system backup with it easily and you can clone your hard drive with it. 

 

  Here's the Macrium download link: ( select home use) https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

 

Here's how you use Macrium to clone your HD:  

Whatever you decide, best of luck. It's an easy job. It's always good to have a back up of your current system on an external hard drive connected via USB.

 

If there's a problem with your operating system, it takes about 15 minutes to get back to normal. 

 

 

Thank you for your suggestion.

 

I tried Macrium on an older pc some years ago and it seemed to work then.

[Covedian21]

7 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Thank you for your suggestion.

 

I tried Macrium on an older pc some years ago and it seemed to work then.

They update it often and always fix bugs that might have had caused problems. An unbelievably good program.

 

   You should have a copy on an external drive. Easy to use and if all Window fixes don't work, boot into Macrium mode with a memory stick you have to produce. 

 

Booting into Macrium then allows you to search for the backup, choose it and click okay. 

 

   Then you'll never need a shop again who might replace your genuine system with a fake one. 

 

 

[billd766]

38 minutes ago, Covedian21 said:

They update it often and always fix bugs that might have had caused problems. An unbelievably good program.

 

   You should have a copy on an external drive. Easy to use and if all Window fixes don't work, boot into Macrium mode with a memory stick you have to produce. 

 

Booting into Macrium then allows you to search for the backup, choose it and click okay. 

 

   Then you'll never need a shop again who might replace your genuine system with a fake one. 

 

 

Thank you for the tip.

[Covedian21]

10 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Thank you for the tip.

You're welcome. Stay safe!!!

[Eindhoven]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

Thank you for your suggestion.

 

I tried Macrium on an older pc some years ago and it seemed to work then.

 

 

I hope that you are just being polite. Clearly you aren't going to clone your current install to any new SSD.

 

Ideally you want to just put a clean install of Windows 10 on to a solid state storage drive. Ideally get ACER to do the work in order to preserve the warranty. With your On Site warranty it's a definite possibility.

 

You can make a back up of the newly installed on SSD, but you don't want to make a clone of your current install.

 

 

 

[billd766]

12 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

 

 

I hope that you are just being polite. Clearly you aren't going to clone your current install to any new SSD.

 

Ideally you want to just put a clean install of Windows 10 on to a solid state storage drive. Ideally get ACER to do the work in order to preserve the warranty. With your On Site warranty it's a definite possibility.

 

You can make a back up of the newly installed on SSD, but you don't want to make a clone of your current install.

 

 

 

Yes I was being polite as I usually am to people who offer reasonable suggestions.

 

The problem is what I have always said. Windows update is disabled, and no matter what I try I cannot enable it. The pc runs perfectly normally, other than not being able to update windows.

 

I had forgotten about the Acer on-site help, and I will probably contact them next week as it is Friday lunchtime now. Perhaps they will either come out to me or perhaps the may be able to fix the problem remotely by logging in to my pc remotely.

 

I had never intended to buy an internal or external SSD at this time.

 

I was responding to another posters suggestion and I thought to look it up as I have never used one before.

 

I checked on the prices on Lazada and asked generally on this forum if it were possible to fit an internal SSD, would it be easy to do etc? 

 

Looking at the prices it isn't really much of an option, especially considering the value of the pc and the price of an SSD.

 

 

[Eindhoven]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Yes I was being polite as I usually am to people who offer reasonable suggestions.

 

The problem is what I have always said. Windows update is disabled, and no matter what I try I cannot enable it. The pc runs perfectly normally, other than not being able to update windows.

 

I had forgotten about the Acer on-site help, and I will probably contact them next week as it is Friday lunchtime now. Perhaps they will either come out to me or perhaps the may be able to fix the problem remotely by logging in to my pc remotely.

 

I had never intended to buy an internal or external SSD at this time.

 

I was responding to another posters suggestion and I thought to look it up as I have never used one before.

 

I checked on the prices on Lazada and asked generally on this forum if it were possible to fit an internal SSD, would it be easy to do etc? 

 

Looking at the prices it isn't really much of an option, especially considering the value of the pc and the price of an SSD.

 

 

 

 

Windows Update being disabled does not impinge on a clean install in any way.

The value of the PC should not be the decider on whether you can or should fit an SSD to it.

You should. Why make it difficult for yourself by insisting you have to replace it with a 1 TB drive?

If you look at other models in the ACER range they will have the same 1 TB HDD, but they will have a smaller SSD for Windows. 256 GB & 512 GB in capacity.

So 256 GB SSD plus the 1 TB HDD that is already in there. That is the standard configuration now and is recommended.

It solves all of your issues for as little as 1000 baht. Faster PC and no more Windows Update issue.

That is why I mentioned the M.2 slot. That is why it is there. For the fast Windows Boot drive. The 1 TB HDD can stay where it is, for storage.

 

You can capture two birds with a single net. 

 

I just don't know if the slot is SATA only or PCIe/NVMe. ACER will know.

 

SATA: https://www.advice.co.th/product/solid-state-drive-ssd-/ssd-m-2-sata-256-gb/250-gb-ssd-m-2-wd-blue-3d-nand-wds250g2b0b-sata-m-2-2280

 

or

 

PCIe: https://www.advice.co.th/product/solid-state-drive-ssd-/ssd-m-2-pcie-nvme-256-gb/256-gb-ssd-m-2-pcie-adata-xpg-sx8200-pro-asx8200pnp-256gt-c-nvme

 

 

But you really need to get it out of your head that a Windows corruption can have any effect on a clean install. Windows = Software. Storage drive = Hardware. Remove software...no more problem. Try to install over faulty software....problem.

 

So if you remove the old software...no more problem. 

 

I can understand the frustration on both sides and would prefer to not get involved in it.

 

 

 

 

[pseudorabies]

 

(Trying to inject some levity into this thread)

 

I agree with the advice that Bruno, Eindhoven and others have given especially since you are changing to Win10-Pro.  Leave the old OS behind and perform a clean install with Win10-Pro

 

If you take the (good) advice to upgrade the HD to an SSD, buy from a shop that can install the drive for you.  Instead of having them clone your old drive, hand them the Win10-Pro installation USB drive, your license number and ask them to do a clean install and move your old files over. Problem solved - you have Win10-Pro and you've made your laptop faster and more energy efficient. If you want you can also buy an inexpensive USB adapter that would allow you to access and use your old laptop drive as an external drive.

 

I'm not an IT pro by any stretch.  But I've done many custom computer builds.  This should be easy.

[Eindhoven]

Hopefully they can send someone out to do the work. 

 

พิษณุโลก    สาขาพิษณุโลก    เลขที่ 261/50 ถนนบรมไตรโลกนารถ ตำบลในเมือง อำเภอเมืองพิษณุโลก จังหวัดพิษณุโลก 65000 ประเทศไทย    0-2153-9600    จันทร์ - ศุกร์ 08:30 - 18:00

No. 261/50 Borom Trailoknat Road, Nai Mueang Subdistrict, Mueang Phitsanulok District Phitsanulok 65000 Thailand

 

looks to be physically the closest to you.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

Hopefully they can send someone out to do the work. 

 

พิษณุโลก    สาขาพิษณุโลก    เลขที่ 261/50 ถนนบรมไตรโลกนารถ ตำบลในเมือง อำเภอเมืองพิษณุโลก จังหวัดพิษณุโลก 65000 ประเทศไทย    0-2153-9600    จันทร์ - ศุกร์ 08:30 - 18:00

No. 261/50 Borom Trailoknat Road, Nai Mueang Subdistrict, Mueang Phitsanulok District Phitsanulok 65000 Thailand

 

looks to be physically the closest to you.

It probably is the closest at about 180km to the north east of me. Hopefully they have some English speaking techies there. 

 

A job for next week I think.

[KannikaP]

18 minutes ago, billd766 said:

A job for next week I think.

After the new tyres on the truck!   LOL

[FarangRimPing]

On 4/12/2021 at 7:45 PM, connda said:

Now that's a really useful little tool.  Thanks for the link.  I'll add to it.  Here's a link to a How-To for WuMgr Update Manager for Windows.

https://www.itechtics.com/wumgr/

For some unknown reason, this utility has not worked correctly for me for the past 2 days. So I am using the original, open-source version of it:

 

WUMT

 

https://m.majorgeeks.com/files/details/windows_update_minitool.html

 

It looks almost identical to Wumgr.

 

[chalawaan]

Make sure your existing windows is not missing/waiting on a recent update. 

Reach out to a more specialised group online. 

Reddit sub r/ windows is worth a shot. 

 

Pose your error feedback or describe the fault to Google search and see what comes back. 

[NextG]

10 hours ago, chalawaan said:

Make sure your existing windows is not missing/waiting on a recent update. 

Reach out to a more specialised group online. 

Reddit sub r/ windows is worth a shot. 

 

Pose your error feedback or describe the fault to Google search and see what comes back. 

A year later? What is wrong with you? ????