Higher, faster, deadlier: Third wave of COVID triggers growing fear in Thailand

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

Pure media hyperbole, you are literally linking a media paper and calling it facts... why because the paper said so ? 

 

Pictures dont explain context. Any picture of a cremation in India would freak people out when labelled as unusual. Unless your actually India and know there is nothing unusual about open cremations in India.

 

30,000 + die in India every day, they have been through much much worse and crisis when millions have died of starvation, flooding, disease and all manner of disasters.. Covid is literally nothing when put in context and looked at calmly  without the media hype. 

 

You just want to be scared because ... no idea tbh

Just let them get on with it then? Ignore the deaths, its just a blip, hospitals sending out SOS for oxygen while the patients inside are dying. Media hyperbole. I want to be scared? Who said I'm scared, I have compassion and I know what the science is around the pandemic, perhaps you could also show some humanity, or maybe not.

 

Obviously another covid denier that would rather ignore the suffering of others as its not touched you personally.

[Richard Hall]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

Ah god mode.  Very nice to be so insensitive to the number of deaths, and the many funeral pyres as well as the increased deaths we are seeing here.  Are you even in Thailand?

 

I am a thinker not a feeler. And indeed I have been living in Thailand as my signature says: "German national living and working in Bangkok since February 2000." 

[Richard Hall]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just let them get on with it then? Ignore the deaths, its just a blip, hospitals sending out SOS for oxygen while the patients inside are dying. Media hyperbole. I want to be scared? Who said I'm scared, I have compassion and I know what the science is around the pandemic, perhaps you could also show some humanity, or maybe not.

 

Obviously another covid denier that would rather ignore the suffering of others as its not touched you personally.

 

Not the material a genius is made of.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just let them get on with it then? Ignore the deaths, its just a blip, hospitals sending out SOS for oxygen while the patients inside are dying. Media hyperbole. I want to be scared? Who said I'm scared, I have compassion and I know what the science is around the pandemic, perhaps you could also show some humanity, or maybe not.

 

Obviously another covid denier that would rather ignore the suffering of others as its not touched you personally.

 

Humanity is a very strange word considering that humankind is the mother of all problems on this planet.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Richard Hall said:

 

Back to school, my friend. What conspiracy you are talking about? I just referred to official figures. Not more not less. I ain't into tabloids. So far the mortality rate is officially a mere 0.0145%.

 

Or do you reckon those figures are not reliable: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Over 200,000 deaths in India alone, rising rapidly, its not a number its human lives. Over 3 million million deaths worldwide and rising rapidly. 

 

I think they only one who needs schooling into the human cost is one who does not realize the impact this is having in the world. Yes a covid denier.

 

However let me give you the opportunity to come up with a solution to this crisis?

[Sunderland]

3 hours ago, BenDeCosta said:

 

My experiences are that Thais are scared-stiff of the virus. Most people in the West are educated sufficiently to know what a virus actually is, and can understand what a 99.5% survival rate means. Thai just hear that people are dying and poo their pants.

It seems illogical that they would 'poo their pants' over something that kills very few compared to a carelessness about riding a motorcycle without a helmet which kills thousands. I will never truly understand it.

[KhunMorris]

There seems to be a direct correlation between life's champion who live in Pattaya and covid denial. 

 

The amount of overweight 60 something men I know who have died from Covid is fairly high in my home country. The common theme in all of them was denial.

 

Sincerely 

 

MORRIS 

[BenDeCosta]

10 minutes ago, Sunderland said:

It seems illogical that they would 'poo their pants' over something that kills very few compared to a carelessness about riding a motorcycle without a helmet which kills thousands. I will never truly understand it.

 

Yes, Thais are not scared of driving recklessly without a helmet and leaving their brains on the tarmac. But they are scared of a virus, but I wonder how many of them even know what a virus is? Maybe they just hear that people are dying and brick it, but it is so odd that they don't care about the road death statistics.

 

I think they just believe whatever they are spoon-fed by the government.

Edited April 28, 2021 by BenDeCosta

[Britman Free]

7 minutes ago, KhunMorris said:

There seems to be a direct correlation between life's champion who live in Pattaya and covid denial. 

 

The amount of overweight 60 something men I know who have died from Covid is fairly high in my home country. The common theme in all of them was denial.

 

Sincerely 

 

MORRIS 

Denial + Being Old & Fat and hanging round the wrong types ???? ????

[Sunderland]

6 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said:

I think they just believe whatever they are spoon-fed by the government.

 

That is a conclusion that has entered my mind many times over the last 20+ years.

[BillyBobzTeeth]

Let's look at Thailand's Covid-19 cases and deaths vs Greece.

 

World Health Organization website links below.

 

https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/gr

 

https://covid19.who.int/region/searo/country/th

 

Greece with much higher cases and deaths, opens its country to tourists for the unvaccinated and vaccinated. 

 

Unvaccinated just need to show a negative PCR test, no quarantine!

 

Open up Thailand the numbers don't add up to keep it restricted. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Patong2021]

33 minutes ago, my friend you said:

Get IVERMECTINE from the pharmacy, better ZIVERDO KIT. Works well as a first treatment and quite likely kills the virus.

No it does not. Irresponsible and stupid claim. No evidence, NONE that your potion provides any benefit. What's next injecting clorox?

[Richard Hall]

31 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Over 200,000 deaths in India alone, rising rapidly, its not a number its human lives. Over 3 million million deaths worldwide and rising rapidly. 

 

I think they only one who needs schooling into the human cost is one who does not realize the impact this is having in the world. Yes a covid denier.

 

However let me give you the opportunity to come up with a solution to this crisis?

 

All is relative.

 

Be real. 3 million out of 7.5 billion have no real impact in this world accept personal tragedies of course .

 

I mean in direct comparison to the impact of the measures taken to deal with this crisis. It is tried to fight one evil with another. A solution can only be a compromise. The middle path. So far in 1.5 years no real progress has been made. The death rate is constantly rising as claimed by the "non deniers" and the global economy lies in shambles.

 

Failure in any respect. Obviously time for a new approach. Think out of the box.

 

If you really do not want to die by this virus eat poison or shoot yourself. Problem obviously effectively solved but... 

 

I can not heal this world, I do not try to heal this world and I do not want to heal this world but rather advocate the opinion that this planet would be better off without humankind. Humankind has proven in this "crisis" that it is unable to cope with a global problem and hence will eventually be doomed. With or without this virus.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Richard Hall

[Britman Free]

4 minutes ago, Richard Hall said:

 

All is relative.

 

Be real. 3 million out of 7.5 billion have no real impact in this world accept personal tragedies of course .

 

I mean in direct comparison to the impact of the measures taken to deal with this crisis. It is tried to fight one evil with another. A solution can only be a compromise. The middle path. So far in 1.5 years no real progress has been made. The death rate is constantly raising as claimed by the "non deniers" and the global economy lies in shambles.

 

Failure in any respect. Obviously time for a new approach. Think out of the box.

 

If you really do not want to die by this virus eat poison or shoot yourself. Problem obviously effectively solved but... 

 

I can not heal this world, I do not try to heal this world and I do not want to heal this world but rather advocate the opinion that this planet would be better off without humankind. Humankind has proven in this "crisis" that it is unable to cope with a global problem and hence will eventually be doomed. With or without this virus.

He's trolling you.  Just ignore him.

If you float over his name there is an ignore option ????

Edited April 28, 2021 by Britman Free
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[Patong2021]

7 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Did the UK not move away from ventilators quite early on as they were found not too work or worse trigger a negative response in patients?

The 'amazing' UK ventilator challenge resulted in the government buying 30,000 ventilators and only using 2000+............

 

Unfair criticism. UK, like many countries acted based on what they knew at the time. The purchase of ventilators was justified by the  information gained from previous respiratory illness experience.  And yes, people in ICU are on ventilator. The fact that the medical specialists have been able to develop other methods to reduce need for ventilators does not  take away from their value. Had they not had ventilators you would also complain. nothing is good enough for you is it?

 

6 hours ago, sambum said:

What I find tragic is that people who are asymptematic/positive showing no symptoms are hospitalised, yet someone like the young man mentioned in another post died because he couldn't be admitted due to all the beds being taken!

Could they not be quarantined in their own homes, thereby freeing up beds for more needy cases??

No. Thais are social people and well meaning people would visit or the  sick would be careless. Also, Thais have high density living conditions where multiple people can sleep in one room. Have a look at living conditions of  low wage workers .

 

5 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Over one year since face masks become prevalent.

Yes, but not necessarily worn properly or where there is full compliance. All it takes is a few careless people. Few people wear masks in the entertainment districts do they?

 

5 hours ago, dogfish180 said:

Selling news....social media driven. If this 'Pandemic' had happened 30 years ago I very much doubt it would have been noticed.

 

Really? Perhaps you have been living under a bridge all those years. Polio epidemics made the news in SE Asia. Meningitis, measles and mumps epidemics made the news in  Europe and America during the golden age you reference. You forget the  H1N1 crisis of 2009 that the world   managed to escape in 2009 only because western countries were able to roll out vaccines quickly.  How about HIV? You think that is nothing?

 

 

5 hours ago, Baggy said:

My Lady lives in Kut Chap, many deaths  last few months, all from HEART ATTACKS,!!!!!!

 

Not so unusual. Covid19 infected often have inflamed hearts and other vital organs and this can result in blood clots which is what causes heart attack and stroke.

[Patong2021]

46 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said:

The crux of the matter is that compared to other illnesses, this virus simply is not that dangerous.

 

So the question you need to be asking yourselves is "why are governments around the world shutting down their economies because of something that is much less dangerous than illnesses and diseases that were in the country already?".

 

If you do a bit of research, you can make up your own mind. But it's very odd how they modeled such a pandemic at the World Economic Forum very recently, obviously the economic models were appealing to them.

 

You can draw you own inferences about what is going on.

 Governments are not shutting down economies. Even in countries with the restrictions the economy never shut down. On the contrary governments took measures to keep economy operating.

In the countries where there were some temporary  restrictions, essential services continued. Even non essential retail continued. When one sector went down, others took off. Yes storefront retail suffered, but it was on the decline long ago and the pandemic has just pushed forward the changeover to direct online transactions. Manufacturing has continued throughout the pandemic. Many industries have been working at full capacity. Some construction  projects slowed, but this was offset in part by home renovation. Yes, some restaurants closed, but this too was offset by people cooking at home. People did not stop eating. Look at the shortages of some products like home appliances as people bought more and upgraded. Many people have paid down debt. 

 

You are pushing that there is a sinister plot to manipulate world economy and  I am sick of  people like you making pronouncements like that with no evidence and no proof. there is always a plot. i=It is always someone's fault that your life is what it is.  You make complaints but have nothing to support your imagined plot.

[DerbyDan]

For those of you who think it's a conspiracy or not real, you need to go in and watch some independent vid's on youtube, vimeo, etc.

 

Ground zero vid's people are posting covertly from inside hospitals on their phones particularly where they don't allow media in either as a cover up, or due to regulations.

 

Much of this trauma coverage is being prevented from getting out somehow. I think it's actively being blacked out to prevent panic in the general population.

 

The stuff I saw was not faked, and I knew then to wear my mask.

[The Hammer2021]

36 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said:

We've had many, much more dangerous diseases and pandemics over the last hundred years, relatively speaking this one is almost harmless.

 

So there is obviously something else going on here. You've got Jack Dorsey, Zuckerburg, Bezos and Bill Gates coining it in over the last year. It doesn't take a genius to think that just maybe, this is not a chance happening.

 

It might take years or even decades to find out the truth about what is going on here, but I am almost certain that there is more going on than a virus with a 99.5% recovery rate.

 

I don't have proof of course, it's my personal opinion, if you don't like it the you're free to ignore it.

Or free to call BS on conspiracy theorists to lazy to research  outside of Facebook  and YouTube then come on this forum with vague but damaging assertions.

[The Hammer2021]

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/india-covid-peak-mid-may-b1838871.html

[The Hammer2021]

1 minute ago, englishoak said:

 

 

 

Yup your afraid, thats all you had to say. Some people are just risk averse or worry far more over things than others. 

 

Why  assume an underlaying condition would become certain critical ?  Sounds a pretty negative line to take to me. Even contracting, its still a good 90% + chance those with underlying conditions not becoming critical. The odds, sick or not, healthy or not are extremely good regardless. 

 

Chances are, catching it or not, you'll be fine, the actual data shouldn't alarm people and is quite easy to digest. Not the scenario models, not the wider media and certainly not social media with the bleeding hearts seeking to dramatise things and get attention.  

 

One method of death isnt any more or less tragic than another to me, Health worker didnt work themselves to death, like a soldier or policeman who dies in the line of duty. They chose work in that environment,  sad maybe but thats life. We will all die sometime of something.

 

 

 

 

 

Callous and illogical

[The Hammer2021]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just let them get on with it then? Ignore the deaths, its just a blip, hospitals sending out SOS for oxygen while the patients inside are dying. Media hyperbole. I want to be scared? Who said I'm scared, I have compassion and I know what the science is around the pandemic, perhaps you could also show some humanity, or maybe not.

 

Obviously another covid denier that would rather ignore the suffering of others as its not touched you personally.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/india-covid-peak-mid-may-b1838871.html

[peter48]

eeworldwide says "I think what saddens me most, is the suddenness of it all." 

 

But from China to USA via Europe its been there for 16+ months. the deaths in all continents especially Europe ( eg UK, Italy, Spain) have been horrific. especially  Brazil, Mexico  and India. It should not be sudden this plague has killed over 3 million people. In UK there were days in January where it was killing over 1000 per day. In Japan another advanced society its killed 10,000. 

 

So what went wrong?  - the nasty virus does not jump countries, it does not discriminate and this current variant kills younger people too. This is a plague and all countries surly saw it coming sooner or  later. The real big problem many get it silently and infect others who do not get it silently. Just wear masks all the time away from home. Do not go into busy places indoors, crowded places like bars, buses, very crowded markets, parties big extended family functions.  

Edited April 28, 2021 by peter48

[cncltd1973]

8 hours ago, sambum said:

 

What I find tragic is that people who are asymptematic/positive showing no symptoms are hospitalised, yet someone like the young man mentioned in another post died because he couldn't be admitted due to all the beds being taken!

 

Could they not be quarantined in their own homes, thereby freeing up beds for more needy cases??

 

i have to think the gov't doesn't trust it's citizens to self quarantine if people are held against their will

[gunderhill]

YES  your  100%  right

Edited April 28, 2021 by gunderhill

[Scott]

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[englishoak]

1 minute ago, BenDeCosta said:

 

Actually, there is a huge question mark hanging over the efficacy of the covid tests that are currently available. 

 

Indeed,  but theres nothing to be done about that since its the method  they choose to use. 

[daveAustin]

11 hours ago, RobMuir said:

This B1.1.7 UK strain is a different beast. It isn't only Thailand copping it.

44% of new US cases are the B1.1.7 now. 

The figure in Thailand of the UK strain is 98%. Without it it would be pretty much normal here like the second half of last year.

No it wouldn’t because you’d also have the Indian and SA strains. 

[Mr Dome]

6 hours ago, Richard Hall said:

In short, I reckon there are other issues on this planet that are more frightening and deadlier under these circumstances.

The Top 10 causes of death worldwide are (https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death ????

 

- Ischaemic Heart Disease

Does it frighten you?  Me, not one bit.

 

- Stroke

We can do a lot to prevent it, so this one registers mildly.

 

- Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease

Same as the top cause for me, doesn't frighten me one bit.

 

- Lower respiratory infections

When travelling by plane, it's a concern as I only got sick on my long trips and in 2018 when going from Europe to Seoul, Busan, Fukuoka & Beppu, I got very sick with the worst cough I ever had. So, this one's a concern in that specific situationand not coincidentally, it's in the same category as SARS-COV2: Viruses transmitted through aerosols that are often hard to avoid.

 

- Neonatal conditions

Obviously no concern here at all.

 

- Trachea, bronchus, lung cancer

I've never smoked, so I think my chances are good.

 

- Alzheimer's Disease & other Dementias

It doesn't run in my family. Can't say I ever think about it.

 

- Diarrhoeal Diseases

They're not pleasant but not a real threat to us.

 

- Diabetes

Doesn't run in my family and I move around enough & am not overweight, so that's a 'no' as well.

 

- Kidney diseases

Never think about those either.

 

So, Richard, which ones are the frightening ones then?

 

Sorry, but I have to go with the aerosol spreading ones as the most serious ones for me. That October 2018 respiratory infection returned twice and prompted an ER visit in Taipei four months later (caused by air-con exposure in Singapore).

 

Obviously, an overweight smoking alcoholic with all kinds of illnesses running in the family has to be majorly concerned about a lot of these but they can control enough factors in this scenario to keep the worst at bay - if they wanted to.

 

The truth is, you're making yourself feel good about what's going with this SARS3.0 but your argument doesn't hold water under close inspection.

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[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, Richard Hall said:

It took about one and a half year that 0.04% of the world population died by or with this virus.

 

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

In short, I reckon there are other issues on this planet that are more frightening and deadlier under these circumstances.

World War II took 6 years and only 0.05% of the world’s population. No big deal. Except it wasn’t infectious.

 

Tell me exactly why the epidemic in India is no big deal.

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, Britman Free said:

Denial + Being Old & Fat and hanging round the wrong types ????????

According to the World Obesity Foundation, one is ten times more likely to die from a COVID-19 infection if one is obese. Vietnam has one of the lowest death rates of this pandemic, and also the lowest level of obesity.

Come to think of it, when I was in Vietnam on holiday a few years ago, McDonalds, KFC and Pizza Hut were conspicuous by their absence.