Private hospitals ready to inject choice into Thailand’s COVID jab rollout

[watthong]

21 hours ago, Thomas J said:

There is nothing, absolutely nothing the government runs efficiently.  They have zero incentive to provide cost effective services.  

 

Less than 24 hrs ago CDC announced a new era:  enough Americans have been vaccinated that people can now go out and about maskless. The above post appeared in the same time window, looks like somebody has not yet woken up under the national nightmare of the previous 4 years. (Even the Postal service whose performance had always been sterling until DeJoy came in with a sledgehammer.) Just a friendly reminder, many Americans have also decided that the  US government is their enemy and accepted the risk of being thrown in jail in order to overthrow it.  Fortunately those are in a minority but UNfortunately a not so insignificant one.

[Thomas J]

6 minutes ago, watthong said:

looks like somebody has not yet woken up under the national nightmare of the previous 4 years.

Lets see, who put into motion operation warp speed that got the vaccines to control the pandemic.  Biden?  Oh no using Al Gore's term " an inconvenient truth"  It was Trump but that won't stop liberals like you from somehow confiscating credit for that in posts like this.  As for the Post Office it was and still is a miserably inefficient government run organization.  If you bothered to ever look something up.  When exactly was the debt "loss" the highest.  Again, another inconvenient truth.  It was under Obama.  Truthfully I don't blame him.  The organization was lousy before him, during his administration and afterwards as well.  I challenge you.  Name one, just one government agency that has ever "efficiently" administered anything.  They are either terribly inefficient, or exorbitantly expensive.  Usually Both.  The postal service debt is incurred when it has "losses"  Notice the years when the losses increased exponentially.  Not under Trump. The debt actually WENT DOWN.  Again, the only reason that the world has some hope that the pandemic will end is due to the pharmaceutical companies and their invention of the vaccines and that effort started  and was accelerated during Trumps administration.  

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-operation-warp-speed-worked-11612222129

https://keller.house.gov/media/in-the-news/usps-has-lost-78-billion-2007-despite-receiving-billions-taxpayers-every-year

 

https://www.rstreet.org/2019/02/27/five-charts-show-the-grim-financial-condition-of-the-u-s-postal-service/

[xylophone]

2 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Lets see, who put into motion operation warp speed that got the vaccines to control the pandemic. 

Which didn't work very well at all unfortunately, however it was the same man who delayed taking any action in the US, as well as reducing funding to the CDC which would have helped fight this virus, and waved away covid as just the flu, and that it would "disappear" when the warmer weather came in April, and when it didn't he advised using such unproven and untested drugs as hydroxychloroquine.

 

Those actions cost tens of thousands of American lives. But then again, non-rubes know this and have moved on, obviously rubes haven't.

 

Now the vaccination programme is in full swing and is going along famously, so thank you to Joe and the Democrats.

[Thomas J]

1 hour ago, traveller101 said:

In response to Thomas J

You prefer choice and the costs involved seem not to bother you.

As a matter of fact, the highest costs for every service and medication in the world. Costs that millions of Americans cannot afford.

Next you are going to tell that this fact proves the efficiency of corporate America running Healthcare.

I agree that this system is highly effective in one respect - maximising profits.

Yes absolutely.  However this misguided notion that somehow involving government is a fallacy.  The only thing you accomplish is 1. layering additional costs on the system by government oversight and 2. you have now concentrated the power over the medical system in the hands of the government which allows it to be manipulated by the health care system. 

If you look the hospitals, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical companies did not balk at Obamacare.  No they embraced it.  They knew that they could manipulate the system so that their products and services were those that "the government put on the approved list"  The also knew that it opened up the treasury for unlimited amounts of reimbursed dollars from the federal government.  Lastly they knew that expanding the number of people "insured" really subsidized by the federal government meant increased volumes. 

The reason the health care costs in the USA are exorbitant is lack of choice, lack of competition, and lack of consumer "restraint" by shopping for health care. 

Once I pay my $25 co-pay I don't care what something costs.  I want the most and the best.  Now the medical industry is happy to oblige providing the most and the most expensive thereby increasing its profits.

It is not a perfect system but if you want to cover people, get good service and control costs you have each person have a medical reimbursement account in THEIR NAME at a private bank.  That is funded by deductions from their pay just like social security.  You mandate that each person have a MAJOR MEDICAL POLICY that kicks in when they truly have medical needs not for stitches, or runny noses.  The person "shops" for doctors, treatments, medicines using their money to buy those services.  They will shop carefully just like they do for food, clothes, cars etc.  They will want to get the most for the least.  They will chose what tests are "necessary" not the current system which incents the medical community to run as many as possible.  In the event of a calamity, their major med policy pays for their care.  Banks are required to openly list the cost of a loan.  It should be a law that hospitals, doctors, pharmacies etc. openly post the cost for their products and services allowing patients to comparison shop and FORCING the medical community to compete. 

Is it "perfect" no but it would be far more cost effective than the current system that encourages waste and fraud.  It also would introduce something available in most areas of life but absent in medical care - competition and comparison shopping. 

[Thomas J]

9 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Which didn't work very well at all unfortunately, however it was the same man who delayed taking any action in the US, as well as reducing funding to the CDC

I swear you people hate Trump so much you could say he is the reason that the world goes dark each evening. 

BIDEN has zero, I repeat zero to do with the medicines being invented.  Operation Warp Speed was under the Trump Administration.  The fact they are being distributed today would not be possible under any circumstances if the vaccines were not there to be distributed. 

Now I would imagine that you are one of those people who now not only will deny the pharmaceutical companies their credit for coming up with the vaccine but now what to strip their patents away. 

Was Trump solely responsible - no.  Would the vaccines been invented without operation warp speed - probably.  However one way or another Joe is taking bows and you are giving him credit for things he had nothing to do with. 

[Thomas J]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

when it didn't he advised using such unproven and untested drugs as hydroxychloroquine.

I don't believe he ever "advised" He did suggest hydroxychloroquine might be an option. 

Now people like you lambasted him for it.  However, there are studies that show it is not an effective treatment for Covid but "it may" be somewhat effective in preventing a person from getting it.  Now if his "suggestion" was so ludicrous then why even now does the medical community continue to examine its uses for Covid.

  Further, I included a quote from  Dr. Mark Siegel whose take on hydroxychloroquine is markedly different.  Now does this prove it was the hydroxychloroquine that cured him.  No. but in France they were studying it and as you can see, "some doctors" were prescribing it for off label use.  Even the New England Journal of Medicine reported it being tested and just as Trump said "it suggested" it might be effective. And, they are still studying it today. 

 

As for your statement that it is an 'UNTESTED" drug that is blatantly false. There is far far far more known about the side effects and long term effects of hydroxychloroquine than those of Phizer, Moderna, Astra Zeneca, Sputnik, Sinovac, or the Johnson & Johnson vaccines.  Hydroxychloroquine has been prescribed for 66 years.

Now was it tested for Covid no but neither was anything else.  If there is an "untested" drug it is any of the vaccines that you are giving Biden credit for.  Those vaccines specifically were given approval to be dispensed without the normal regimen of testing.  Even if they are totally effective in preventing Covid NO ONE KNOWS what if any long term effects they may have because THERE ARE NO LONG TERMS TRIALS.  

 

 Hydroxychloroquine was approved for medical use in the United States in 1955.^[2] It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines.^[5] In 2018, it was the 129th most commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with more than 5 million prescriptions.^[6][7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine
 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMc2023617?listPDF=true

Edited May 15, 2021 by Thomas J

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, Thomas J said:

Would the vaccines been invented without operation warp speed - probably

Of course they would because the "technology" behind the vaccines has been known for decades and even the newer ones for quite a few years. Warp speed was a dud by a fool trying to make up for his mistakes.

 

[Thomas J]

5 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Of course they would because the "technology" behind the vaccines has been known for decades and even the newer ones for quite a few years. Warp speed was a dud by a fool trying to make up for his mistakes.

Do I believe they still would have been invented sure.   The demand was there.  Would they have been invented as fast?  Who knows. 

Now which mistake are you now blaming Trump for?  His stopping the Chinese flights in January 2020 for which he was called Xeonophopic?  

Now if Trump's actions were so bad how about Boris Johnson, Xavier Bettel - Luxemburg, Mark Rutte - Netherlands, Emmanual Macron - France, Alexander Decroo - Belgium or any of the other world leaders.  

Tell me exactly what those other countries did that was so markedly different from what the USA did that obviously makes them so much better. 
 

As for your "opinion" that operation Warp Speed did not work.  1. we have vaccines in record time which seems to give evidence that it helped.  Also if you don't mind I prefer the opinion of the Wall Street Journals over someone who is obviously a biased anti Trump hater. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-operation-warp-speed-worked-11612222129

 

 

[Thomas J]

23 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Of course they would because the "technology" behind the vaccines has been known for decades

This is also a blatant falsehood.   

Although relatively easy and quick to produce compared to traditional vaccine-making, no mRNA vaccine or drug has ever won approval.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/

Edited May 15, 2021 by Thomas J

[Thomas J]

18 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Of course they would because the "technology" behind the vaccines has been known for decades

This is also a blatant falsehood.   

Although relatively easy and quick to produce compared to traditional vaccine-making, no mRNA vaccine or drug has ever won approval.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/

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3 hours ago, Thomas J said:

Lets see, who put into motion operation warp speed that got the vaccines to control the pandemic.  Biden?  Oh no using Al Gore's term " an inconvenient truth"  It was Trump but that won't stop liberals like you from somehow confiscating credit for that in posts like this.

Actually, the CDC started ramping up for vaccine creation in January. It wasn't until May that the Trump administration launched operation Warp Speed.

"On January the 11th, the Vaccine Research Center met to develop a plan. And on the 14th of January, we officially started the vaccine development. 62 days later, we are now in phase one clinical trial with the two doses already fully enrolled."

https://coronavirus.medium.com/read-dr-anthony-faucis-testimony-6521961851aa

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3 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

This is also a blatant falsehood.   

Although relatively easy and quick to produce compared to traditional vaccine-making, no mRNA vaccine or drug has ever won approval.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/

Utterly irrelevant to the question of whether or not the technology was known, In fact, an mRNA vaccine was being developed for MERS, but when it subsided, interest was lost in the technology.

[xylophone]

13 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Do I believe they still would have been invented sure.

They were "invented" before warp speed.......please try and keep up.

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3 hours ago, Thomas J said:

 As for the Post Office it was and still is a miserably inefficient government run organization.  If you bothered to ever look something up.  When exactly was the debt "loss" the highest.  Again, another inconvenient truth.  It was under Obama

The Post Office indebtness is mostly due to the fact that it is obliged to prepay for all of its employees benefits thanks to a 2006 congressional law. Few govt agencies and no private businesses are so constrained:

"At the end of 2019, the GAO calculated that the Postal Service had $160.9 billion in debt, $119.3 billion of which came from retiree benefits.

The mandate to prepay employees’ retirement and health-care benefits is an obligation held by few other government agencies, let alone private companies. The Postal Service missed its first payment on those expenses, worth $5.5 billion, in 2011. By 2012, it exceeded its borrowing limit. And then the debt kept piling up."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/15/postal-service-bailout-congress/

 

[Thomas J]

2 minutes ago, xylophone said:

They were "invented" before warp speed.......please try and keep up.

They were "started" before Operation Warp Speed. 

However without Operation Warp Speed you would still be waiting for them since Operation Warp Speed removed the years of clinical studies normally required to be able to dispense a vaccine.  Please try and keep up. 

 

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

Now which mistake are you now blaming Trump for?  His stopping the Chinese flights in January 2020 for which he was called Xeonophopic?

It's about time that we got back on track with regards to the post about private hospitals being ready with choices, but before I go I will leave you with the following so you can do some fact checking.

 

430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced.......
Global health specialists told Kaiser Health News that there is little to no evidence that Trump’s restrictions restrained COVID-19, because they came too late and didn’t have the follow-up necessary to make a real dent. 

We don’t have a travel ban,” Klain said. “We have a travel Band-Aid right now. First, before it was imposed, 300,000 people came here from China in the previous month. So, the horse is out of the barn.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/
 

 

[club]

On 5/14/2021 at 9:35 AM, Surelynot said:

More smoke and mirrors......we have gone from vaccines for everyone.....to vaccines for everyone, but foreigners last....to "walk in" centers on Thursday to no "walk in" centers on Friday........from no chance to no choice to having a choice and then............back to no chance and no choice........What country.

They should get all these spokespersons in one room and agree on one statement. I have lost count how many times they have contradicted each other

[Rampant Rabbit]

On 5/14/2021 at 9:35 AM, Surelynot said:

More smoke and mirrors......we have gone from vaccines for everyone.....to vaccines for everyone, but foreigners last....to "walk in" centers on Thursday to no "walk in" centers on Friday........from no chance to no choice to having a choice and then............back to no chance and no choice........What country.

Don'[t  forget the mandated vaccine area  also, so  on one hand they say choice and the other say must  have astra or  sino.