COVID-19 throws all ideologies into melting pot

[snoop1130]

 

First, it was China’s “comfortable survival”. Then, it was the intriguing question of whether or how much states should “provide” or “facilitate” vaccination. Now, it’s the anger and disbelief following reports that the super-rich is getting richer thanks largely to the global coronavirus pandemic.

 

All of those puts democracy and the capitalism that goes with it on a back foot. “Dictatorial” China strolled out of the public health crisis just months after it all began, while the world’s “model for democracy”, the United States, soon topped the unenviable chart and has remained on it, albeit with remarkable improvements currently. Socialism is dominant in public conservations when vaccines are concerned, whereas drug patent is condemned and the ultra-rich people are frowned upon, particularly if their wealth has anything to do with sufferings from the global outbreak.

 

The so-called “vaccine apartheid” has been denounced after figures showed rich, developed countries are buying and hoarding more vaccines than necessary with little regard for poor nations. The situation can spark endless debate on whether the rich deserved to be rich and what made them rich in the first place, and why the poor became poor in the first place, and whether the rich deserved to stockpile vaccines at the expense of the vulnerable poor.

 

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[BangkokReady]

So capitalism, democracy and dictatorship are ideologies now?

[Justgrazing]

58 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

“Dictatorial” China strolled out of the public health crisis just months after it all began,

 

Given the lengths they went to conceal this ( and still are ) the beginning of last year I'd not be inclined to believe a word that comes from the collective mouth of the CCP .. 

 

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

while the world’s “model for democracy”, the United States, soon topped the unenviable chart and has remained on it

 

A lot of that was down to the previous occupant of the Whitehouse who was in a near permanent state of denial .. since sanity has returned the U S vaccine programme has hugely improved .. 

 

[Moonlover]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

So capitalism, democracy and dictatorship are ideologies now?

Of course they are. 'An ideology is a set of beliefs, especially the political beliefs on which people, parties, or countries base their actions'.

 

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/ideology

[BangkokReady]

1 minute ago, Moonlover said:

'An ideology is a set of beliefs, especially the political beliefs on which people, parties, or countries base their actions'.

 

So how do those three fit into this?  Who bases their political beliefs on capitalism or democracy?

 

They aren't beliefs, they are systems.  Two political and one economic.  Your definition is more about concepts like Marxism, Liberalism, Conservatism, etc..

[Nsp64]

Thailand is not a poor country ! Its just  corrupt. 

The inequality is spawned by corruption and oppression,  not a financial situation.

[BangkokReady]

7 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

Of course they are.

 

de·moc·ra·cy

a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

 

cap·i·tal·ism

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

 

Dictatorship

A dictatorship is a form of government characterized by a single leader or group of leaders and little or no toleration for political pluralism or independent media.

[Moonlover]

4 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

So how do those three fit into this?  Who bases their political beliefs on capitalism or democracy?

 

They aren't beliefs, they are systems.  Two political and one economic.  Your definition is more about concepts like Marxism, Liberalism, Conservatism, etc..

It is not my definition at all, it is what is written in the Collins English Dictionary. Who am I, our you, for that matter, to argue with that?

[BangkokReady]

Just now, Moonlover said:

It is not my definition at all, it is what is written in the Collins English Dictionary. Who am I, our you, for that matter, to argue with that?

 

I'm not arguing with the definition.  I know what an ideology is.  The definition is correct, it just doesn't apply to democracy, capitalism, or dictatorship, because they aren't ideologies.

 

You posted a definition explaining what an ideology is.  Democracy, capitalism and dictatorship do not meet that definition.  That's it.

[Moonlover]

5 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

de·moc·ra·cy

a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

 

cap·i·tal·ism

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

 

Dictatorship

A dictatorship is a form of government characterized by a single leader or group of leaders and little or no toleration for political pluralism or independent media.

Collectively known as ideologies! just as sharks, barracudas and groupers are all fish.

 

3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

I'm not arguing with the definition.  I know what an ideology is.  The definition is correct, it just doesn't apply to democracy, capitalism, or dictatorship, because they aren't ideologies.

 

You posted a definition explaining what an ideology is.  Democracy, capitalism and dictatorship do not meet that definition.  That's it.

 The Collins English Dictionary says otherwise. It actually gives capitalism as an example. I'll run with that thank you.

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Collectively known as ideologies! just as sharks, barracudas and groupers are all fish.

 

No idea what collectively being known as anything have to do within anything, but no, they aren't collectively known as ideologies.

 

Do you mean that because they are beliefs within ideologies you think they are ideologies?

 

Quote

 The Collins English Dictionary says otherwise. It actually gives capitalism as an example. I'll run with that thank you.

 

I guess you mean this: "...capitalist ideology."

 

Yeah, I'm not sure if that is them actually stating that capitalism is an ideology.  Seems to be a bit of a grey area/common error.  Many people claim that it is not an ideology as it is descriptive rather than prescriptive.  I.e. it describes an economic system rather than saying how things should be. 

 

Did you know that even your Collins Dictionary doesn't describe capitalism, democracy or dictatorship as ideologies?  Weird huh?

 

What about democracy and dictatorship?

[Scott]

I think it is best to move away from political type discussions and stick more to how this applies to the Covid situation.

 

[daveAustin]

9 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The situation can spark endless debate on whether the rich deserved to be rich and what made them rich in the first place

Hard bloody work, that’s what!

[Rampant Rabbit]

10 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

“Dictatorial” China strolled out of the public health crisis just months after it all began,

And  because they can control and do control everything with  100% fear we can believe everything they say.

[Isaan sailor]

The discussions about rich vs poor can lead right down to a poor farming village in Isaan.  If you’re a retiring single expat with some assets—you can find a stunning wife—and if you’re lucky, she will love you long time...

[Stargeezr]

If everybody thinks that China does not have lots of COVID cases, then with their total lack of

transparency and lots of places to house their COVID cases, well I really wonder just how good that country is

doing?  Don't you.  I have heard that it is only a small percentage of the Chinese population that has been vaccinated,

so just how good is every one doing in that large country? Is China doing like India was, making and exporting most of their

vaccines?  Will China get a variant and have a lot of their population die from one of them?

  I am just curious of what is really happening there, and what their future may look like.

Geezer

[chilly07]

19 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

So capitalism, democracy and dictatorship are ideologies now?

You omitted Communism Religion and possibly Republics and Kingdoms 

[RichardColeman]

My plan has always been to get my wife to the UK, in a nice house with a large garden. She's a quiet happy person and is content to potter around in the garden all day.

 

We'll go to the market once a week and then just stay in and enjoy our own company.

 

World is not for us any more, capitalists, religious nutters, young stabbers, woke nonsense.....etc

 

Better just enjoy time with the wife on our own in peace and quiet.