Family of man, 50, who died after Covid-19 jab receive 400,000 baht

[ExpatOilWorker]

4 hours ago, Stevemercer said:

 

China has inoculated millions of their citizens and there are no reports in the Chinese media of any adverse affects at all. 

In that case the credibility of the CCP is at the same level, zero, null, nada,  null.

[Heng]

19 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

 

I don't know how old you are but It's very rare in over 60 males.

 

mid 40s, not so worried personally but it seems like there are preventative regimens that can at least be recommended on a leaflet to go along with the jab like how they tell you not to eat grapefruit if you're going to take Viagra.   

Edited June 4, 2021 by Heng

[kwilco]

5 hours ago, Joinaman said:

so over 60s should run the risk and get the jab ?

and how many 0ver 60s ex pats in Thailand have died from Covid so far ?

 

What is amazing is that you even consider this to be a valid response.

do you seriously think that Covid can differentiate between Thai people and expats!?!?!?!

[kwilco]

4 hours ago, Fromas said:

 

 

The data comes from the EudraVigilance database maintained by the European Medicines Agency.

 

Key considerations:

• Case reports of suspected adverse reactions alone are rarely sufficient to confirm that a certain effect in a patient has been caused by a specific medicine.
• The fact that a suspected adverse reaction has been reported does not necessarily mean that the medicine has caused the observed effect as this could have also been caused by the disease being treated, a new disease the patient developed, or by another medicine that the patient is taking. Case reports need therefore to be assessed by an expert.
• A single case report should be seen as a piece of a jigsaw puzzle, where further data are usually needed to complete the picture. These include data from worldwide spontaneous case reports, clinical trials and epidemiological studies.
• The number of case reports for a particular medicine or suspected adverse reaction does not only depend on the real frequency of the adverse reaction but also on the extent and conditions of use of the medicine, the nature of the reaction as well as public awareness. Therefore comparing numbers of case reports between medicines may give a misleading picture of their safety profiles.

[Guide on the interpretation of spontaneous case reports of suspected adverse reactions to medicines]

 

 

 

QED - a one stat wonder with absolutely no idea!

 

[whaleboneman]

8 hours ago, bananafish said:

I don't need it so I won't be getting any vaccine. Could change my travel plans for quite a while, I won't be travelling to countries that require it. Fine. 

Have you got a good rowboat?

[jacko45k]

13 hours ago, Joinaman said:

for most old ex pats, probably just as likely to die from the vaccine as the virus 

Your penchant for guesswork is poor.

[Catoni]

13 hours ago, Stevemercer said:

 

China has inoculated millions of their citizens and there are no reports in the Chinese media of any adverse affects at all. 

Well…..of course not.  It’s China after all. Under the control of the Chinese Communist Party. So what do you expect?   I would put no stock in whatever the C.C.P says.  And what they DON’T say speaks volumes. 

[jacko45k]

Just now, Catoni said:

And what they DON’T say speaks volumes. 

Shhh, don't mention Tiananmen Square......

[rumak]

22 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

there is no reason to not get vaccinated other than selfishness and ignorance.

 

sounds good to me.    does one "excuse" work better than the other ?

[Shalom]

23 hours ago, clivebaxter said:

People die every day, so will after having a jab that has not been the cause, probably so in this case

Hopefully you will be the next. 

[mikebell]

17 hours ago, Card said:

Does it really make a difference to you? One guy out of maybe thousands or even millions dies 5 days after a vaccine and you presumably blame it on the vaccine and want to know which vaccine to avoid? Utterly st#pid.

Insofar as there is only one vaccine after all the wrangling amongst the Thai cabinet over commissions, my question was a little tongue-in-cheek. 

Some months down the line it may well be my (your) turn for a jab.  By then more data will have come to light about the efficacy of one brand over another + the prevalence of side-effects in other brands.  If possible I like to make informed choices.  Presumably you were never in the Boy Scouts?

[4MyEgo]

11 hours ago, VBF said:

Fair play...  it's often difficult to sort the good from the bad and ugly with some of these sites. ????

FYI....I've had AZ x 2 - feeling fine so far! ????

Good luck to you, your a braver man that I am.

 

Wife had a call from the hospital last night, the one she registered me on Mor Prom, is Mr X coming to his appointment on Monday, wife asked me, I said, tell them thanks for the call, but will wait a little longer.

 

The reason I changed my mind, is not because I am an anti-vaxer, e.g. had all the shots you can think of since born, up to this year with the Flu and Pneumonia booster, but when I hear that people have died after the shots, blood clots etc etc and they say they are not related to the vaccine, that alone doesn't gel with me, on top of that it's efficacy with the variant is low, so waiting for more data and when others arrive, choice is always better for me, that said, I suppose we also look at it on a needs basis and as we live in the sticks and don't see anyone, there is a low probability of us getting Covid or giving it to anyone.

[rickudon]

On 6/4/2021 at 8:36 AM, 4MyEgo said:

 

Here is an interesting link for those interested. I did a fact check on it and nothing to discredit it, and noticed there are plenty of others out there, but they are not being put in mainstream media, and also have the feeling that it will be taken down here.

 

 https://www.globalresearch.ca/12184-dead-1196190-injuries-european-database-adverse-drug-reactions-covid-19-vaccines/5746273

However, this needs to be put into a proper context. For a person aged 50, daily risk of death from all causes is about one in a million. In the EU over 300 million people have been vaccinated. Assuming monitoring period is 2 weeks, then 1 x 300 x 14 = 4200. So 4200 people would have died anyway. Also would need to take into account that many much older people and people with health issues have been vaccinated, who would have much higher natural death rates. Therefore the likelihood is that most of or even all those who died after vaccination died of other natural causes. Injuries? Most of these are like pain in the arm after vaccination, feeling ill for a day or 2. The actual risk of death from Vaccination is less than 2 per million. Maybe a lot less.

[mommysboy]

12 hours ago, Heng said:

 

mid 40s, not so worried personally but it seems like there are preventative regimens that can at least be recommended on a leaflet to go along with the jab like how they tell you not to eat grapefruit if you're going to take Viagra.   

 

Anti coagulants are only really for people with specific pre-existing issues.  I guess baby aspirin could be useful and is available OTC.

 

But the adverse effect is a very strange condition, whereby the immune system destroys its own blood platelets, leaving a messy residue which forms clots.  It's thankfully very treatable if got to early enough, and may even be averted.  The new treatment regime is Immunoglobin combined with a non heparin blood thinner.  The case rate looks alarming, but most cases are non life threatening- I'm afraid the media has done its worse as usual by conflating a case with death.  The reality in a western country is now death at 1 per million vaccinations appx.

 

The common presentation in the media is of an apparently fit, healthy, youngster struck down in the prime.  The reality is mostly quite different.

 

Yes, we're all worried, and honestly I've been put off the AZ too.  The power of the media!

 

 

[Kwasaki]

Another reason for Thais in our village already refusing the sinovac I guess.

[VBF]

7 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Good luck to you, your a braver man that I am.

 

Wife had a call from the hospital last night, the one she registered me on Mor Prom, is Mr X coming to his appointment on Monday, wife asked me, I said, tell them thanks for the call, but will wait a little longer.

 

The reason I changed my mind, is not because I am an anti-vaxer, e.g. had all the shots you can think of since born, up to this year with the Flu and Pneumonia booster, but when I hear that people have died after the shots, blood clots etc etc and they say they are not related to the vaccine, that alone doesn't gel with me, on top of that it's efficacy with the variant is low, so waiting for more data and when others arrive, choice is always better for me, that said, I suppose we also look at it on a needs basis and as we live in the sticks and don't see anyone, there is a low probability of us getting Covid or giving it to anyone.

Well at least your decision to not get vaccinated are reasoned and logical, not the result of you reading some arcane conspiracy theory! One does have to feel comfortable with one's choices.

 

However, having said that, I must respectfully disagree with your choice but maintain your right to make it.

 

I would say that the numbers of people suffering the side effects you mention are low enough to make it worth the possible, yet unproven "gamble" in Life's great casino. I'm in UK and am happy to be able to go into crowds again without even thinking about Covid, plus I'm a supporter of the "Vaccine Passport" idea, however that does or doesn't evolve......plus I want to travel again and I feel that those who are vaccinated might be given more freedom...I may of course be wrong!

 

I and a couple of friends did experience mild side-effects from our jabs - in my case a slightly tender arm and mild flu-like symptoms the next day.

Also, like you, I've had dozens of vaccinations over my lifetime from childhood through business travel etc etc.

 

I do urge people like yourself to study the ever-changing science and review their decisions regularly....Good Health to you.

Edited June 5, 2021 by VBF

[4MyEgo]

2 hours ago, VBF said:

Well at least your decision to not get vaccinated are reasoned and logical, not the result of you reading some arcane conspiracy theory! One does have to feel comfortable with one's choices.

 

However, having said that, I must respectfully disagree with your choice but maintain your right to make it.

 

I would say that the numbers of people suffering the side effects you mention are low enough to make it worth the possible, yet unproven "gamble" in Life's great casino. I'm in UK and am happy to be able to go into crowds again without even thinking about Covid, plus I'm a supporter of the "Vaccine Passport" idea, however that does or doesn't evolve......plus I want to travel again and I feel that those who are vaccinated might be given more freedom...I may of course be wrong!

 

I and a couple of friends did experience mild side-effects from our jabs - in my case a slightly tender arm and mild flu-like symptoms the next day.

Also, like you, I've had dozens of vaccinations over my lifetime from childhood through business travel etc etc.

 

I do urge people like yourself to study the ever-changing science and review their decisions regularly....Good Health to you.

 

Thank you for your kind words, and good one you for getting the jab in the UK, which to me, is pretty much proven with the millions jabbed, here, well, it's about to be unleashed and I want to see first hand how it goes.

 

We don't want to rush it, and as we have a family with 4 kids, it's really important for us to feel comfortable with what is going into our arms. We have discussed it openly and are not against people getting vaccinated if they feel comfortable with the science and where they are at, it's their choice, and they move forward while we sit and hide from the blob, that said, I believe we would feel more comfortable with more choices in vaccines, and they are coming. But as I have said before, we will avoid people and wait.

 

We also travel back to Aus every 18 months, so we will definitely need to be vaccinated to get into visit family and friends. Not anti vaccine passports they have been around for years in some countries and are proof required to keep others safe at the destination you are going too.

 

Hopefully by years end we can all be putting this virus, which either evolved out of a lab by accident or crossed over from some animal species behind us as it's capability to spread weakens.

 

Stay safe & continued health to you.   

[DavisH]

On 6/4/2021 at 5:14 PM, kwilco said:

This shows quite clearly that the poster has absolutely no idea of what he/she is looking at.

I think it is becoming clear that "anti-vaxxers" are in fact just one stat wonders with no real idea of medical science.

Most especially, they seem incapable of understanding "large numbers".

 

this should give you some idea...

https://gizmodo.com/how-to-comprehend-incomprehensibly-large-numbers-1531604757

 

And where is the control group? lol

Those are meaningless numbers unless we know the background rate of morbidities. 

[kwilco]

90% of Covid deaths occur in the over 60s age groups.

[smi11ie]

Balls.  He had to share it with the person awarding it.  Usual bull.