10 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Calling BS on this claim.

 

No Coroner would sign such a death certificate.

 

I know it takes a village, but we can do without the idiot.

 

 

Here's another . ????

 

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/questions-over-the-accuracy-of-how-the-state-tracks-covid-deaths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721

44 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

The vaccines are not experimental they are approved for emergency use, then approved.

These are just words anyway, they are all remarkably safe and effective. Other than legitimate medical exclusions there is no reason to not get vaccinated other than selfishness and ignorance.

 

I think you haven't understood the term emergency use yet, but if you want to get the vaccine go ahead

 

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

Oops read over the NOT, my mistake.

You read what you wanted to read. Common phenomenon.

2 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The mortality rate for Sinovac seem a bit on the high side.

Is there any credible statistics available from other countries?

Yes, from China. It's perfectly safe and far superior to all the other vaccines out there. Or so their propaganda machine seems to constantly claim.

1 hour ago, Andrew45 said:

You read what you wanted to read. Common phenomenon.

Yet if I was a true individual as you described, I would not have retracted my post and admitted I was wrong.  Would you do the same? or just throw criticism like you have.....

2 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

If one wishes to be somewhat selfish and ignorant, and live a vaccine free life based on pseudoscientific hysterics one may do so freely.

 

Such bitter words are "selfish & ignorant", did it ever occur to you that people have a choice and their own minds, to think and decide what is right and what is wrong for them, and to perhaps not just listen, but to think and to research before they come to a conclusion. That does not make them "selfish & ignorant".

 

I recently had the annual influenza vaccination and a Pneumonia booster, my choice, and have had all of my shots when I was younger, so you can hardly call me an anti-vaxer.

 

Having 2 degrees, I would think that I am a little more educated than just being "selfish & ignorant", but then again maybe you are right, not even knowing me.

 

Having a background in research allows me to explore and analyse, as opposed to sit behind a keyboard and think what is being fed to me is the truth, maybe it is, but there is also the other side of the coin, and on many occasions has not been told or shown until after the fact, sometimes months later, sometimes many years later.

 

So if your up for one of these vaxes, then go for it, just don't go calling others "selfish & ignorant" because all you are really doing is belittling yourself mate, and I couldn't call you an idiot for choosing to get vaxed, as that is your choice and of course I wouldn't want to belittle myself.

 

Trust big pharma, sure do, they would NEVER lie ?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements

 

 

 

 

 

  

It'll be SINOVAC.

how much those who died from Covid will get?

4 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

It is the truth, put a little too bluntly, to say people die everyday Like the bloodclot nonsense, then the J&J "pause". These stories hyped in the media will end up costing more lives than any side effects by contributing to vaccination hesitancy and conspiratorial mongering  and psuedoscientific armchair immunology .

 

The vaccines are all safe and effective. Just get your jabs !

 

Ah, so you try to tell that thise so call vaccines, developed within a year are all safe, whereas to develop and test a vaccine usually takes between 10-14 years and the fastes ever 8 years? Seriously? Maybe you need to get brain in gear…..

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Somchai had suffered chest pains after five days of having the jab and died.

 

Further investigations into the cause of his death are underway.

 

Five days, y'all. This is not a typical anaphylactic or allergic response.

 

An autopsy has not been performed, or is being performed as we speak.

 

Let them investigate and don't send up rumors.

 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, webfact said:

It was an initial payment to help the family. If it was proven that he had not died as a result of having the vaccine the family would not need to return the money, reported Manager. 

Sorry but this reads more like well connected official dies and gets 400,000 baht from vaccine death payout system as family payoff. I cannot see why they would pay out if it was proved the vaccine had nothing to do with it or why they would not ask for it back

 

This is about to get seriously abused if not. 

3 hours ago, thequietman said:

Just one example.

Which has been removed July 2020...... so in 2 years what you got, one that isn't?

I think it's fair to say that all the vaccines are not as safe as we would like them to be.  With the vector vaccines the major issue is more obvious and easily defined, but the problem is also there in equal measure for the mRNA vaccines too, only more diffuse.  There is no point holding out for the 'good one' because it does not exist yet. Imo, regardless of the type we are possibly looking at 50 very serious adverse effects and perhaps 1 or 2 deaths per million among people who are truly fit and healthy (note: not many people are). 

 

If you are relatively young, you may want to consider the possibility of not having the vaccine at all regardless of type.  If you are somewhat less than fit and healthy or over 60, then there is at at least cast iron evidence that any adverse effects are hugely outweighed by the benefits where the AZ vaccine is considered. The risk of serious blood clotting in old people is very, very low and may not differ from the general population.  Generally, I would say over 60's (unless frail) should just get vaccinated with whatever is available.

 

 

Some off topic posts discussing Nazism and the replies have been removed. 

33 minutes ago, OKF said:

 

Ah, so you try to tell that thise so call vaccines, developed within a year are all safe, whereas to develop and test a vaccine usually takes between 10-14 years and the fastes ever 8 years? Seriously? Maybe you need to get brain in gear…..

It is a great argument, nearly unassailable.  Think it is called a tautology. I could ask you to provide examples of vaccines that have deleterious effects after 10, 15, 20 years when we all know that vaccine side effects manifest in the short term. OKF could just answer that we have no data from these potentially dangerous new vaccines because they have not been developed over 10-14 years and tested for 8 more years.  So the answer then is to do nothing, keep testing small scale for 10-18 years, and have the pandemic continue for several more years with millions ++ deaths and collapsed economies. Does this make sense when we have safe and effective vaccines already demonstrated to crush transmission and serious illness, given to hundred of millions population in UK/EU/US/ISR with few problems.

 

Guess I'm an optimist.

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

There is enough evidence out there to suggest that some of these vaccines do cause blood clotting, and other issues, we cannot deny that, albeit it some are rare, and that is enough to suggest that the vaccine is the cause. If you want to shrug that off, then that is your choice.

Firstly, just because there have been some cases of blood clots possibly linked to vaccines, that is not enough to suggest that the vaccine was the cause here - especially when there is no evidence I can see, that this person suffered from blood clots.

 

Secondly, there are two types of blood clots that have been potentially linked to the vaccines:

 

1. Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST), which is a clot found in a large vein in the brain.

 

2. Splanchnic vein thrombosis (SVT), which which involves one or more abdominal veins.

 

EMA finds possible link to very rare cases of unusual blood clots with low blood platelets

 

Since this person suffered from a heart attack, even if it was caused by a blood clot (and we don't know that it was) it is unlikely that it was linked to the vaccine.

Edited June 4, 20215 yr by GroveHillWanderer

6 hours ago, mikebell said:

Which vaccine?

"It was an initial payment to help the family. If it was proven that he had not died as a result of having the vaccine the family would not need to return the money"

 

So it is not certain that having the vaccine was the cause of his death!

 

So much "false news" going around in Thailand now! People dying of heart-attacks, people wasting away, etc. -- and all supposedly because of the vaccine! Many Thais are gullible enough to believe these stories -- and the greater number that do not have the vaccine means the greater numbers of cases and deaths and the prolonging of the pandemic!

Chinese for sure. 

Do you realise that maybe we are underestimating these mass vaccinations?

 

The correlation between the vaccine and death is obvious, but they will do everything to deny it, even with ad hoc scientific studies, and continue with this theatre of falsehoods.

 

Many doctors, some of them top-ranking, advising against indiscriminate mass vaccination, but one wing of science is unwilling to confront them and ridicules them and takes them for fools.

Can we ask for a serious scientific debate between scholars and not between TV stars who repeat the same stories like parrots?
Is that too much to ask?

Edited June 4, 20215 yr by zhounan

6 hours ago, mikebell said:

Which vaccine?

Does it really make a difference to you? One guy out of maybe thousands or even millions dies 5 days after a vaccine and you presumably blame it on the vaccine and want to know which vaccine to avoid? Utterly st#pid.

Edited June 4, 20215 yr by Card

Girl died 13 days after getting sinovac vaccine, the doctor said because of taking birth control pills

https://www.siamnews.com/view-59352.html

 

????

Edited June 4, 20215 yr by Mark35

4 minutes ago, Mark35 said:

Girl died 13 days after getting sinovac vaccine, the doctor said because of taking birth control pills

https://www.siamnews.com/view-59352.html

 

????

We could have abortions galore, millions of unwanted children born and save e few women from blood clots caused by oral contraceptives if we just ban the pill now!

 

 Then more would get blood clots from pregnancy but at least we could claim the moral high ground.

An uncle on my mother’s side had chest pains and died two days after getting the Flu vaccine. 
   His family wasn’t paid anything from the vaccine company. 
 

But my father also had chest pains and died, and he never had any vaccine at all. 
    So I don’t know.  

RIP to Somchai

 

We have very little actual knowledge or evidence to hand of the circumstances of this death and even the Authorities are saying further investigations are in process to discover cause of death. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the vaccination had nothing to do with it. What type of chest pains? Is it a bit of heartburn or was it heart attack or neither?

 

Even if the cause is the vaccination and that vaccine used was any specific one, does it mean we all say it is no good and won't take it?

6 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

It is the truth, put a little too bluntly, to say people die everyday Like the bloodclot nonsense, then the J&J "pause". These stories hyped in the media will end up costing more lives than any side effects by contributing to vaccination hesitancy and conspiratorial mongering  and psuedoscientific armchair immunology .

 

The vaccines are all safe and effective. Just get your jabs !

They are not fully fda approved if they where then they are all safe. 

Until these vaccines are approved for general use, these vaccines are only approved for "emergency use" as live-trial study data is still being collected for analysis (2021 - 2023) 
Until then you are required to sign an informed consent form acknowledging the vaccine's risks prior to being given the shot.

Not enough info in the story to prove how he died,  post-mortem? Don't see any mention of that - as a previous poster said people die all the time just because he had been vaccinated without a PM how do we know - sure TV detectives will solve this case!

They claimed that they are vaccinating 205,000 people per day.

 

205,000/80 lifespan = 2,562/365 days = 7 pax

 

Be it these 205,000 vaccinated or not, 7 is going to die. Why trying to scare people from getting vaccination?

1 hour ago, OKF said:

 

Ah, so you try to tell that thise so call vaccines, developed within a year are all safe, whereas to develop and test a vaccine usually takes between 10-14 years and the fastes ever 8 years? Seriously? Maybe you need to get brain in gear…..

That's inaccurate and misleading.

 

Inaccurate because the fastest previous vaccine was the mumps vaccine that took 4 years - not 8, to be developed and authorised.

 

Misleading because it relies on flawed logic. Although most vaccines did take over 10 years from start of development until final approval in the past, that doesn't mean that all vaccines now or in the future, have to do so. Saying that is like saying that because it used to take two weeks to cross the Atlantic in the 1800's, it should still take two weeks now, even though much better technologies are now available.

 

There are multiple reasons why the current crop of vaccines were able to be developed so quickly.

 

Firstly, as alluded to above, the technology is different. In the past, scientists had to chemically manipulate whole viruses so that they would not cause infection, while still evoking a good immune response. This could take literally years of hit and miss experimentation to achieve, before lab tests could even start, let alone animal and human testing.

 

With the mRNA and viral vector vaccines, an effective vaccine can be designed in just a couple of days and animal testing can start within weeks. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was actually designed over the space of a few hours, according to the company's founder.

 

Part of the reason it was so quick was that vaccine developers had "pre-designed" vaccine constructs based on using part of the genetic code for a virus. Oxford-AstraZeneca's vaccine construct for instance, had been in development for over ten years and had previously been used for a MERS candidate vaccine which is already in human trials. All they (and the companies using mRNA) had to do was incorporate a different snippet of genetic code into a construct they already had, and which they knew worked.

 

Also, when previous vaccines were developed, all the design and testing phases went sequentially and there could be as much as six months between each separate stage, often because of waiting for regulatory approval to proceed to the next stage. When there was not an ongoing public health emergency (as there is now) regulators could afford to take a relatively leisurely approach - and did.

 

With the current vaccines, the various developmental stages were overlapped and regulatory approvals were often done in weeks rather than months.

 

So the idea that vaccines must take ten years or more because that's how it has happened in the past, just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Edited June 4, 20215 yr by GroveHillWanderer

7 hours ago, webfact said:

It was an initial payment to help the family. If it was proven that he had not died as a result of having the vaccine the family would not need to return the money, reported

Si I wonder if in the near future there will be an announcement that he died from other complications, but not to arouse suspicions or deter others from having the jab they can keep the money?

Enjoy jab guys !