Today marks two months of Covid-19 restrictions in Pattaya with many business owners and residents getting frustrated

[robblok]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

Soothing words for the many tens of thousands of simple economically unsophisticated people who have watched their small businesses and livelihoods collapse because of arbitrary decisions taken by salaried officials who will still receive their salary come what may.

 

Did you offer to assist these people by drawing maps of the best route back to their farms?

Its up to the government to help them not members. Small businesses have been hit all over the world. Back in my country the government helped. Here there is a lot less help. 

 

That being said bars are just too dangerous to open period. Anyone not understanding that is just really bias and in need of a drink or an owner of a bar. The 3rd wave started in a bar, bars all over the world have been shut down first as all governments realise they are one of the most dangerous places for covid. Because of the drug called alcohol that is a social lubricant and makes people do stupid things. 

 

Anyone who has been drunk in the past knows they don't make the best decisions when drunk or follow the rules when drunk. You can blame the government for not supporting the owners of bars and the staf but not for keeping bars closed.

 

The problem is not that bars are closed (expect for those that need the bar scene) but that the people working there have not been supported enough. 

[robblok]

31 minutes ago, J Town said:

Three friends of mine got arrested two nights ago at a small bar near Big C Extra. I warned them this could happen and stopped going there myself. I get it - we love the bar owner, just a gal struggling to put food on the table, and we want her to stay in business, but clearly the BiB are getting into the weeds. They were fortunate, 2,250 baht fine each, and now the bar is shuttered.

I would say they come of lightly could have been much worse. The girl took a chance and lost so did your friends. They threatened with far worse if foreigners broke the law so id say they were lucky.

[Namtak]

The entire ridiculous draconian reaction to a virus that is only deadly to a known section of humanity is just another example of the incompetence of most governments. 

 

[J Town]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

I would say they come of lightly could have been much worse. The girl took a chance and lost so did your friends. They threatened with far worse if foreigners broke the law so id say they were lucky.

Oh HELL yes! The one Brit guy could have faced jail/deportation.

[robblok]

Just now, J Town said:

Oh HELL yes! The one Brit guy could have faced jail/deportation.

Yes I heard about the deportation threat. But why just one Brit ? Did he not have the right papers ? If so id certainly would not have gone to a bar and open myself up for extra trouble.

[SomchaiCNX]

1 hour ago, IamNoone88 said:

This clearly demonstrates the risks that are associated with a single large dependency on once source of revenue - tourism. Entire local economies are impacted. If you invest in an area (business, real estate) this is a clear lesson in what happens when that source dries up. It will happen again in the future. make sure your business is not reliant on a single source of revenue - period.   

Any suggestions? 

[cclub75]

A very interesting piece.

 

The end encapsulates perfectly the problem we face : " it is unclear what everyone is waiting for, what the exact threshold for an exit or easing of restrictions will be, or when it will be."

 

It's Waiting for Godot. Or The Tartar Steppe !

 

We wait. And nobody knows what.

 

School closed in dark red provinces ? Absurd temperatures/stickers system/checkpoint at schools in other provinces ? Temperatures checking at shopping malls ? Ban of alcool in restaurants ? Borders closed ? National parks closed ? Swimming pools closed ?

 

Nobody knows.

 

Normally the golden indicator should be... number of cases ? But is it ?

 

Fully vaccinated UK still have 5 000 cases per day... Could Thailand handle such threshold ?

 

Or is the target "Zero covid" like... for an island (New Zeland for instance) which Thailand is obviously not... ?

 

That's the biggest problem today in Asia... It's not even a conspiracy. Just plain numbness, lack of vision.

 

That's the frightening part.

Edited June 11, 2021 by cclub75

[SomchaiCNX]

13 minutes ago, Namtak said:

The entire ridiculous draconian reaction to a virus that is only deadly to a known section of humanity is just another example of the incompetence of most governments. 

 

Yup with 75% of the US (example) overweight, obese or diabetic easy to blame corona. (not the mexican beer ???? )

 

[J Town]

23 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yes I heard about the deportation threat. But why just one Brit ? Did he not have the right papers ? If so id certainly would not have gone to a bar and open myself up for extra trouble.

He's perfectly legitimate. I am, too. Exactly as you say, I have no appetite to open myself for grief that we've all been warned about. He wasn't so careful.

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, J Town said:

He's perfectly legitimate. I am, too. Exactly as you say, I have no appetite to open myself for grief that we've all been warned about. He wasn't so careful.

Sorry was just confused why you said the deportation only applied to one of the two. So i thought he had extra problems.

Yes I also don't want any grief. I hate the lockdowns but understand them. But they do make life a bit more boring.

[bert bloggs]

In the old days

 My dad worked on the local council,you did it to help,rich people went into govt to help the country and the people,nearly everyone who lived in the country( Britain in my case pulled together) Times long gone ,now you work on the council for a fat pay check and pension,you get into govt to make as much cash as you can( think Tony Blair) and half the population now come from countrys that care nothing for the country just what they can get out of it,and make it likewhere they came from,i fear nothing is going to change,just get worse,so glad i had the best of times,not the worst.

[atpeace]

23 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

 

 

Fully vaccinated UK still have 5 000 cases per day... Could Thailand handle such threshold ?

 

 

Britain's test per million people is about 20x ( source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries ).  I'm pretty sure the government here knows that we are already well past 5,000 cases a day.  Not completely happy with how it is being handled.  Similar to an itch I can't quite reach on my back. Inconvenient but it will go away.

Edited June 11, 2021 by atpeace

[Namtak]

17 minutes ago, SomchaiCNX said:

Yup with 75% of the US (example) overweight, obese or diabetic easy to blame corona. (not the mexican beer ???? )

 

Sorry, but over eighty percent of covid deaths in the United States were 65 years old or more. 

Get over your ridiculous fear mongering and deal with data reality. 

 

We now know the therapeutics rabidly called debunked by the media are effective in early treatments for covid even if they have underlying issues. 

 

Get over your irrational emotional fear. 

[atpeace]

9 minutes ago, Namtak said:

Sorry, but over eighty percent of covid deaths in the United States were 65 years old or more. 

Get over your ridiculous fear mongering and deal with data reality. 

 

We now know the therapeutics rabidly called debunked by the media are effective in early treatments for covid even if they have underlying issues. 

 

Get over your irrational emotional fear. 

I agree  but around 40 million over 65.  I assume, big assumption maybe, that you would protect those people.  How?

Edited June 11, 2021 by atpeace

[thurien]

5 hours ago, MasterBaker said:

maybe it's time to tell people a truth: it will not get better this year, stop dreaming...

"the people..." know fricking well and none of them listens to T.A.T. CCSA and Uncle's empty 'promises & excuses' anymore. This lame totalitarian duck will never take off...

[spidermike007]

Good. Frustration is good when it leads to anger. And anger is good when it leads to intolerance. And intolerance is good when it leads to millions upon millions of people demanding that this hopelessly toxic army, and hugely incapable leadership, leaves ASAP. The people need to rise up. The people need to get frustrated and angry, and to finally realize that the agenda of these fools, is not their agenda, not one iota.

 

We do not count. The plebs mean nothing to these fools. We are less than zero. 

[Surelynot]

11 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I agree  but around 40 million over 65.  I assume, big assumption maybe, that you would protect those people.  How?

Amazing how many younger, fitter people are so gung-ho about opening up travel and business.........I would love to see (not really) covid 20 hit people in the 25-40 range and see how many rush around demanding everything returns to normal.

[atpeace]

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Amazing how many younger, fitter people are so gung-ho about opening up travel and business.........I would love to see (not really) covid 20 hit people in the 25-40 range and see how many rush around demanding everything returns to normal.

Young are  immortal and wise well beyond their years.  At least I was and doubt I was an outlier.

[brewsterbudgen]

7 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Amazing how many younger, fitter people are so gung-ho about opening up travel and business.........I would love to see (not really) covid 20 hit people in the 25-40 range and see how many rush around demanding everything returns to normal.

Is Covid 20 worse than Covid 19? 

 

You are very easily amazed if you don't think people care primarily about themselves and their family/friends.

[Mike k]

5 hours ago, MasterBaker said:

maybe it's time to tell people a truth: it will not get better this year, stop dreaming...

They can't handle the truth ????

[Mike k]

28 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Good. Frustration is good when it leads to anger. And anger is good when it leads to intolerance. And intolerance is good when it leads to millions upon millions of people demanding that this hopelessly toxic army, and hugely incapable leadership, leaves ASAP. The people need to rise up. The people need to get frustrated and angry, and to finally realize that the agenda of these fools, is not their agenda, not one iota.

 

We do not count. The plebs mean nothing to these fools. We are less than zero. 

Then it turns into Burma 

[Mike k]

54 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

In the old days

 My dad worked on the local council,you did it to help,rich people went into govt to help the country and the people,nearly everyone who lived in the country( Britain in my case pulled together) Times long gone ,now you work on the council for a fat pay check and pension,you get into govt to make as much cash as you can( think Tony Blair) and half the population now come from countrys that care nothing for the country just what they can get out of it,and make it likewhere they came from,i fear nothing is going to change,just get worse,so glad i had the best of times,not the worst.

Sounds like the US 

[diks]

7 minutes ago, Mike k said:

They can't handle the truth ????

Great movie, maybe its time to watch it again.

 

 

[Uroller]

2 hours ago, TimBKK said:

Sounds good to me (realizing this is a fantasy at best) but not sure the junta wants *that* type of tourist.  Millionaires or bust is their attitude, unbelievably ????

Busy it is then????

[Uroller]

Just now, Uroller said:

Busy it is then????

Bust it is then????

[SomchaiCNX]

1 hour ago, Namtak said:

Sorry, but over eighty percent of covid deaths in the United States were 65 years old or more. 

Get over your ridiculous fear mongering and deal with data reality. 

 

We now know the therapeutics rabidly called debunked by the media are effective in early treatments for covid even if they have underlying issues. 

 

Get over your irrational emotional fear. 

Yes 65 years and older, stick to the facts I bet 90% of them being overweight, obese or diabetic. The US population is not healthy at all. Denial will not make things go away. Your god bless will not help you with this one ????

[NoshowJones]

3 hours ago, chalawaan said:

They need to forget tourism for a few years, and start repurposing the entire economy.

 

There are several emerging industrial opportunities as companies are forced to pivot away from a belligerrent China that's starting to "punish" the west for daring to call them on their BS.

 

If they dropped the alcohol import tax to a sensible level too, they'd sell much more of it, and probably actually make more in duty overall. 

 

Fully legalize weed, and mushrooms, fully legalize sex work, and start work on some Casinos.

 

So that after this is over, if they did these 4 things, you'd have to beat Tourists off with a stick.

 

 

But the big problem is will the four things you mention do anything for the self elected "PM""s offshore accounts?

If his income would rise depending on ie, sex work being legalised, it would happen almost immediately.

Edited June 11, 2021 by possum1931

[davidcraig]

Now that most streets are empty, Pattaya's rapidly-increasing stray dog population is thriving.

 

As for tourism, the authorities need to get their act together (some hope) and tell the airlines when the borders will reopen or else there will be no flights to bring in the millions of tourists the officials have promised will arrive. 

[Jiggo]

3 hours ago, bangsaenguy said:

Military govts demand total control and do not tolerate being questioned

Not just Military governments.... 

[Chongalulu]

4 hours ago, IamNoone88 said:

This clearly demonstrates the risks that are associated with a single large dependency on once source of revenue - tourism. Entire local economies are impacted. If you invest in an area (business, real estate) this is a clear lesson in what happens when that source dries up. It will happen again in the future. make sure your business is not reliant on a single source of revenue - period.   

A once in a century pandemic. If you own hotels,restaurants or many other types of businesses you cannot budget on an entire huge industry (tourism) simply shutting down overnight. And it won’t just be tourism that’s effected as many Western economies can attest. They at least realised that these businesses had to be supported to stop them dying forever and the better ones understood the efforts required in terms of vaccine development and production as the only way out. There simply is not the economic nouse foresight nor intelligence here to begin to understand that - just a misplaced complacency based on luck in the initial stages and a one dimensional viewpoint re shutting borders with no semblance of an exit strategy.