Caution voiced over premature reopening of Thailand to international visitors

[chalawaan]

120 lurks, U turns, cancellations. dumbass restrictions, control freak declarations, and the cherry on top, chicken-brained billionaires, (I mean just how do you get to be a billionaire with the processing power of a dull seven year old? Hypothetical question, we know!) disguised as competent senators.

[Dexxter]

In another article today, "Thai PM urges all to do their utmost to make reopening of Thailand possible in October"

In this article today, "Caution voiced over premature reopening of Thailand to international visitors"

 

So all bases are covered?

[itsari]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Which Brazilian city would that be and do you have any links to it? 

 

Not that far from the facts according to the BBC News website today.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57541794

 

The number of deaths related to Covid-19 has passed 500,000 in Brazil, the second-highest in the world, as experts say the outbreak could worsen amid slow vaccination and the start of winter.

The virus continues to spread as President Jair Bolsonaro refuses to back measures like social distancing.

The health institute Fiocruz says the situation is "critical". Only 11% of adults are fully vaccinated.

Tens of thousands of Brazilians joined anti-government protests on Saturday.

 

And there is more if you follow the link.

 

Serrana Brazil

[placnx]

7 hours ago, itsari said:

Sinovac restores Brazilian city  back to normality.

Your statement is far from the facts.

Jingthing said "first dose" of Sinovac does not protect (from serious illness). The other problem is how much Sinovac does for preventing minor infection that can be passed on to others, even after two doses.

[itsari]

1 minute ago, placnx said:

Jingthing said "first dose" of Sinovac does not protect (from serious illness). The other problem is how much Sinovac does for preventing minor infection that can be passed on to others, even after two doses.

Search Serrana Brazil . I think the authorities in Serrana have a better knowledge about the Sinovac vaccine than Thailand.

The city has vaccinated 95 percent of the population with Sinovac .

[placnx]

7 minutes ago, itsari said:

Search Serrana Brazil . I think the authorities in Serrana have a better knowledge about the Sinovac vaccine than Thailand.

The city has vaccinated 95 percent of the population with Sinovac .

But that concerns the Brazilian P.1 variant, not the Indian variant. Was that really 95%? Noted above was a quote that people with natural immunity from infection were counted (implying that they were not vaccinated with Sinovac).

[itsari]

Just now, placnx said:

But that concerns the Brazilian P.1 variant, not the Indian variant. Was that really 95%? Noted above was a quote that people with natural immunity from infection were counted (implying that they were not vaccinated with Sinovac).

 

Just now, placnx said:

But that concerns the Brazilian P.1 variant, not the Indian variant. Was that really 95%? Noted above was a quote that people with natural immunity from infection were counted (implying that they were not vaccinated with Sinovac).

95 percent of the Serrana population has been vaccinated with Sinovac . The results are promising . Search for your self 

[ThailandRyan]

34 minutes ago, itsari said:

Search Serrana Brazil . I think the authorities in Serrana have a better knowledge about the Sinovac vaccine than Thailand.

The city has vaccinated 95 percent of the population with Sinovac .

Do they have the delta variant going through that city, that would be the test for the efficacy.

[Sydebolle]

It might be helpful, if less bashing on non-Thais would be done. A lot of Thailand's infection rates is home made with leaking border controls whereby Thais hop off to i.e. Laos and a permanent contradiction in government statements of what is done/not done, what is happening/not happening and if they would have gone down a less corrupt avenue in getting those vaccinations to their people then Thailand would have been ready for business quite some time ago.

But as long as the boys in uniforms, used to run camps, are running a country with seriously stinky corks on top of the various ministerial bottles .......

In all fairness, close to zero infections were noticeable among those who legally arrived in Thailand for quarantine lock-ups of a fortnight over the last few months - so what on Earth are you bashing about! 

You need international exchange of merchandise, trade and tourism - stop strangulating your own people and work out a practical solution to avoid the slow death of Thailand. The governmental bickering like a kindergarten though is regretfully hardly noticed by all those politically responsible voters called Khon Thai! 

[lavender19]

Another expert on full salary . Just let the out of work and homeless keep suffering.

[robsamui]

Something that nobody seems to have taken into account - especially the Thai government, who  can't see past the end of their noses - is the effect on Thailand and tourism if tourists come, then go back having become infected in Thailand and carrying the virus back to their own country.

 

Even with quality vaccines like Pfizer and Moderna there is still a 1-in-10 chance of becoming infected.

 

With the cheap Sinovac that the Thai Government is cutting costs with, it's a 50-50 chance after 2 doses. Pretending that Phuket is "70%" vaccinated (when it is nowhere near this) is shortsighted stupidity.

 

Meaning that - in their desperation to pull tourists in (and fiddling the vaccination figures to do it)  - Thailand is on the verge of digging its own grave.

 

It will only need just a tiny handful of tourists  to test positive on their return home, and that will be the nails in the coffin. Word will spread and Thailand will be dead in the water for years to come.

Edited June 21, 2021 by robsamui

[joecoolfrog]

10 hours ago, kaneko86 said:

He first should refuse his monthly salary and give it to unemployed hotel workers until Thailand isn't reopened... Than maybe he can come back and talk again.

And there we have it !

The issue isn't tourism , its that this fuedal government is simply not willing to support the individuals and small businesses that have been severely impacted by this pandemic.

[geisha]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Also to consider the widespread use of Sinovac here. One does of Sinovac gives very little protection. So people getting Sinovac shouldn't really be counted until weeks after their SECOND dose.

350 health workers in Indonesia who were vaccinated with Sinovac caught COVID . Surely this is proof  that the vaccin isn’t viable ? Lots of bad news from Chile too.

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, geisha said:

350 health workers in Indonesia who were vaccinated with Sinovac caught COVID . Surely this is proof  that the vaccin isn’t viable ? Lots of bad news from Chile too.

Not necessarily. It depends on how many had to hospitalized or died. 

[billd766]

3 hours ago, itsari said:

Search Serrana Brazil . I think the authorities in Serrana have a better knowledge about the Sinovac vaccine than Thailand.

The city has vaccinated 95 percent of the population with Sinovac .

However there are only 45,000 people in the city so vaccination and control would have been fairly easy. How about the other 211 million Brazilians getting the same treatment.

 

That may not be so easy as they will need around 500 million doses for a 2 shot vaccination. IF they have the vaccines and can inoculate 1 million people per day, every day, that will take at least 30 weeks to complete. 

 

The way that Thailand is going at the moment with only 1 third of the population it will probably take longer. The hospitals and medical staff work extremely hard and long hours but they are let down by the "politicians", who promise a lot but actually deliver too much hot air and promises, and not enough vaccines.

[billd766]

44 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not necessarily. It depends on how many had to hospitalized or died. 

If 350 health workers caught Covid that would mean 350 health workers available to serve the public. It also means that at least 350 families will be directly affected, plus the people that they come in close contact with in the shops and markets etc. Perhaps 1,500 to 2,000 or more people after contact tracing. It may be even higher than that if the health workers passed it on in a market of shop.

 

[thailand49]

7 hours ago, Caspersfriend said:

 

Ironically it is those "dirty foreigners" they are desperate to get back into the country! Only the very rich slightly-grubby foreigners of course. Those who will spend tens of thousands of Baht every day. That's of course on top of the tens of thousands of Baht they need to spend to get into Thailand, plus more maybe to get back into their own country after their holiday [sic]. With almost everywhere closed, where are they supposed to spend all those Baht?

My remark had nothing directly to do with what you posted! For whatever reason foreigners go through all the hoops to get into Thailand has no real direct bearing on me it is their business.

This Doctor caution not to open up to foreigners continues to re-enforce the belief the current outbreak is due to them when the facts show it has come from the surrounding borders of Thailand mainly illegal migrants workers that all come in untested. This Doctor need to look in the mirror to find the current problem!

[Simons3]

I wonder what Dr. Nithipat Jiankul's opinion would be if they  furloughed him without pay for a year due to Covid.

 

[BernieOnTour]

On 6/20/2021 at 9:25 PM, webfact said:

infections are still at about 3,000, or more than 300 people are in need of ventilators

 

... I can tell, which way the wind is blowing ... ????

 

Really, 300 ventilators? - You are talking about 300 intubations ?

 

- seems, I have to add an addendum to my patient‘s provision ...

 

 

The huge number of intubations in Wuhan, when they didn’t know anything about the new infection and primarily wanted to protect their hospital staff from getting infected by using intubations - that was understandable !

However: nowadays ?

 

Doctor, don’t tell me, you are also still giving

Dexamethasone    to Covid patients,

something you would strongly oppose with other beta-coronavirus infections !

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by BernieOnTour

[placnx]

On 6/21/2021 at 3:23 PM, ThailandRyan said:

Do they have the delta variant going through that city, that would be the test for the efficacy.

Regarding that Serrana study, a work in progress: BBC reports that there is a new study started on an island off Rio with a population of 4500. It's only a matter of time before the Indian a/k/a Delta variant infests Brazil, but what happens in mixing with the Brazil variant a/k/a Gamma? I hope that a lot of testing is done, including sequencing, contact tracing as well. Should be easier on a small island. The plan is to vaccinate 90% of the population, with Sinovac I guess.

Edited June 22, 2021 by placnx
Reference Serrana

[placnx]

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Not necessarily. It depends on how many had to hospitalized or died. 

Preventing hospitalizations or deaths is a first step. Now that variants such as the Indian are circulating worldwide, this prevention goal has become the finger in the dike. We need to up the game to stopping the spread.

[Tony125]

 

Almost 4,000 fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts have tested positive for COVID-19

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/almost-4-000-fully-vaccinated-062303297.html

[Percy P]

On 6/21/2021 at 3:17 AM, ThailandRyan said:

The man is pretty much spot on.  So even if Phuket gets 70% of its population vaccinated, the returning workers from Issan won't be vaccinated.  A little short sighted this government is R

Or Picket authorities

[zhounan]

I have a suspicion:

They will blame foreign tourists for the increase in positive cases in Phuket.

[Tony125]

On 6/21/2021 at 6:09 PM, geisha said:

350 health workers in Indonesia who were vaccinated with Sinovac caught COVID . Surely this is proof  that the vaccin isn’t viable ? Lots of bad news from Chile too.

350 health professsionals out of 6,000 who were vaccinated = about 1%  and they were daily around infected Covid paitients   Plus most of them were mild cases or asymtomatic who cared for themselves at home. 24 were sick enough to require a few days (3---4) in a hospital.  So maybe not as strong as Mrna vaccines but much better than nothing and little side effects.