Thai study shows antibody levels after 2 doses of Sinovac drop 50% every 40 days

[FridgeMagnet1]

1 minute ago, misterjames said:

For a start that post has nothing to do with Sinovac, secondly if it takes 3 months (90 days) for the antibody response to peak and Sinovac antibodies levels decline by 50% every 40 days.

 

It doesn't take a maths phd to realise the antibody levels of a person injected with Sinovac would be zero:D

 

But there is no data to suggest it does drop by 50% every 40 days 

the study only lasted 60 days, read the article again 

[Thunglom]

One study out of many =- lets see the numbers etc....

Edited July 14, 2021 by Thunglom

[misterjames]

3 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

But there is no data to suggest it does drop by 50% every 40 days 

the study only lasted 60 days, read the article again 

Have you read the title of the topic you are posting on?:D a study by definition is research data.

 

 

Edited July 14, 2021 by misterjames

[FridgeMagnet1]

2 minutes ago, misterjames said:

Have you read the title of the topic you are posting on?:D

Yes, but you have to read the article, not just the headline 

 

did you read the article?

 

I don’t  know how old you are, but surely you know to read articles and not just the headlines?

Edited July 14, 2021 by FridgeMagnet1

[FridgeMagnet1]

This is twice now that someone who is flailing about on a SInovac discussion has restored to “Haven’t you read the headline??”

 

no mate, I actually read the article. Like grown ups do

 

[misterjames]

1 minute ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

This is twice now that someone who is flailing about on a SInovac discussion has restored to “Haven’t you read the headline??”

Maybe because you are a new user that has recently turned up posting nonsense to defend an ineffective vaccine?

[FridgeMagnet1]

4 minutes ago, misterjames said:

Maybe because you are a new user that has recently turned up posting nonsense to defend an ineffective vaccine?

What nonsense? Please be specific. 
 

And all your argument has been reduced to is “your a new user” and “read the headline”

 

and you think these are great points? 

Edited July 14, 2021 by FridgeMagnet1

[misterjames]

1 minute ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

What nonsense? Please be specific. 
 

 

Quotes from actresses on instagram for example.

 

It's against the rules to make such claims without a valid reputable source (someones instagram is not one of them)

[FridgeMagnet1]

7 minutes ago, misterjames said:

Quotes from actresses on instagram for example.

 

It's against the rules to make such claims without a valid reputable source (someones instagram is not one of them)

So you really didn’t actually read the article, did you? 
 

the article that this whole thread is about.

 
this one https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-study-shows-antibody-levels-after-2-doses-of-sinovac-drop-50-every-40-days/

 

That’s the article that has the quotes with the actresses about Instagram. Your whole argument is based on a quote from an actress on IG

but you wouldn’t know, because you didn’t read the article you are posting about 

[FridgeMagnet1]

Good grief @placeholderhave you seen this? 
 

 

[misterjames]

1 minute ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

That’s the article that has the quotes with the actresses about Instagram. Your whole argument is based on a quote from an actress on IG

What I'm saying is that what some actress says on instagram is not evidence of the efficacy of Sinovac.

 

Anyone with a brain knows that stop posting nonsense and trolling.

[FridgeMagnet1]

1 minute ago, misterjames said:

What I'm saying is that what some actress says on instagram is not evidence of the efficacy of Sinovac.

 

Anyone with a brain knows that stop posting nonsense and trolling.

I agree, which is why the article (the article this whole thread is about) is a load of nonsense.

 

and your response was “haven’t you read the headline”

 

[FridgeMagnet1]

2 minutes ago, misterjames said:

Ahh deflection the wumao's best friend;D random instagram quotes from actresses are not a valid reputable source of data.

 

What do you not understand about that?

 

 

The study lasted 60 days, how can they find out that antibodies drop EVERY 40 days over a 60 day period?

 

the article is a total mess and doesn’t make sense. It’s just a headline 

[FridgeMagnet1]

Good lord, you are accusing me of being an agent of the PRC…

 

Ok mate. You take care of yourself

[gk10012001]

19 hours ago, Blumpie said:

50 percent of what?  I didn't think this shot did anything for you anyways.  

Now that is the appropriate question because percentages can be very misleading.  But the real question is, how many antibodies are needed, and needed for what.. prevention of serious effects, or prevention of any infection at all, and how long should or how long are antibodies normally maintained in the body for other diseases or viruses?  Are we all sitting here with billions of Anti Polio things? 

[gk10012001]

16 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

The study lasted 60 days, how can they find out that antibodies drop EVERY 40 days over a 60 day period?

 

the article is a total mess and doesn’t make sense. It’s just a headline 

You obviously do not understand Thai Math or the infamous saying Same Same but Different.  Similar to how an eager mother can have a baby in 3 months.

[smedly]

3 minutes ago, smedly said:

never said that

 

welcome to my ignore list which I very seldom use

@FridgeMagnet1another for my ignore list -bye

[meechai]

20 hours ago, smedly said:

why not just come out a say it

 

sinovac is useless

 

there I just did

Coronaviruses are an extremely common cause of colds and other upper respiratory infections.

 

Truth is there is no silver bullet for Coronaviruses...every one ever invented was as useless as these ALL

(Not just Sinovac) will prove to be

Insert common quote here --->.........."There is NO Cure for the Common Cold"

Edited July 14, 2021 by meechai

[Scott]

Baiting post reported and removed along with reply.

 

[Fex Bluse]

10 hours ago, misterjames said:

Not saying this happened but there has been official Chinese government documents submitted on research into viruses that target certain races for 10 years at least (that we know of).

 

(This is not a conspiracy the documents are out there as sky news reports)

 

 

 

Yes and now we know the Chinese have been gathering DNA of populations all over the world, setting up genomics labs in many countries. 

 

I'll call it now that in the next 10 or 15 years, a leak of a gene targeting virus will occur. They would likely pick Africa as a testing ground. 

 

China is an extremely dangerous country 

[misterjames]

28 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

Yes and now we know the Chinese have been gathering DNA of populations all over the world, setting up genomics labs in many countries. 

Exactly actively collecting DNA worldwide.

 

"Chinese gene company selling prenatal tests around the world developed them in collaboration with the country's military and is using them to collect genetic data from millions of women for sweeping research on the traits of populations, a Reuters review of scientific papers and company statements found."

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-china-bgi-dna/

 

28 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

China is an extremely dangerous country 

You got it.

 

I've made a thread about the threat they pose on social media and on this forum please feel free to join the discussion:

 

Edited July 14, 2021 by misterjames

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8 hours ago, misterjames said:

For a start that post has nothing to do with Sinovac, secondly if it takes 3 months (90 days) for the antibody response to peak and Sinovac antibodies levels decline by 50% every 40 days.

 

It doesn't take a maths phd to realise the antibody levels of a person injected with Sinovac would be zero:D

 

But that antibody peak is to a natural infection, not a vaccination. And the point was just to point out that there is such a phenomenon as plateauing.

 

As I pointed out, that garbled mess of an article clearly has gotten wrong what the researchers claimed. It's clear that the duration of the experiment was 60 days. So the claim that the levels decline by half every 40 days is false.

Is there any evidence that the antibody levels from Sinovac decline to zero? Apart from what can be construed from the  authors misinterpretation of the data presented?

 

And as for using antibody levels in general to assess vaccine effectiveness there's this:

 

Antibody Testing Is Not Currently Recommended to Assess Immunity After COVID-19 Vaccination: FDA Safety Communication

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is reminding the public and health care providers that results from currently authorized SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests should not be used to evaluate a person’s level of immunity or protection from COVID-19 at any time, and especially after the person received a COVID-19 vaccination.

While a positive antibody test result can be used to help identify people who may have had a prior SARS-CoV-2 infection, more research is needed in people who have received a COVID-19 vaccination. Currently authorized SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests have not been evaluated to assess the level of protection provided by an immune response to COVID-19 vaccination.

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/antibody-testing-not-currently-recommended-assess-immunity-after-covid-19-vaccination-fda-safety

[gk10012001]

7 hours ago, meechai said:

Coronaviruses are an extremely common cause of colds and other upper respiratory infections.

 

Truth is there is no silver bullet for Coronaviruses...every one ever invented was as useless as these ALL

(Not just Sinovac) will prove to be

Insert common quote here --->.........."There is NO Cure for the Common Cold"

or will be or may be useless on the next mutation, or variant.  Even current flu vaccines do poorly.  They must be made months in advance of a season and the health guys can only estimate what variant to produce for.  Current estimates I read say only 40 % effective.  So any body that thinks this COVID 19 corona virus will be magically killed by some RNA technique is presuming much too much

[Bkk Brian]

Phuket's domestic policy of allowing entry to people that are vaccinated with 2 doses of Sinovac or just one dose of AZ says it all really.

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28 minutes ago, gk10012001 said:

or will be or may be useless on the next mutation, or variant.  Even current flu vaccines do poorly.  They must be made months in advance of a season and the health guys can only estimate what variant to produce for.  Current estimates I read say only 40 % effective.  So any body that thinks this COVID 19 corona virus will be magically killed by some RNA technique is presuming much too much

Flu vaccines may not do so well protecting against infection. But they do lessen the severity of the symptoms.