1 hour ago, placeholder said:

The fact is that this world famous instititute starting selling the vaccine after Phase 2 trials. What kind of respectable organization would so blatantly violate basic safety protocols?

And still they haven't produced the raw data from they claim is thei Phase 3 trial

As for the Lancet, are you aware of this follow up article questioning those test results?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00894-1/fulltext

Have you noticed following in the article : Sputnik V has received registration in 51 countries.

And furthermore : Thus, to date, the safety and immunogenicity of the Sputnik V vaccine has been confirmed in multiple studies !

Loud and clear !

1 hour ago, Albert Zweistein said:

Have you noticed following in the article : Sputnik V has received registration in 51 countries.

And furthermore : Thus, to date, the safety and immunogenicity of the Sputnik V vaccine has been confirmed in multiple studies !

Loud and clear !

I should have been more careful. this was the the article I meant to link to:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00899-0/fulltext

 

What I originally linked to was the authors of the original lancet article replying to criticism.

 

14 hours ago, atpeace said:

I was offered as well as other farangs.  I'm near the Thai Lao border and well into the "sticks". They put me down for Aug 15.  Think it will happen but not holding my breath.

Please do not hold your breath.  You need to breathe.  In..and ....out.  If you can keep doing this, then no need to worry.

53 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I should have been more careful. this was the the article I meant to link to:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00899-0/fulltext

 

What I originally linked to was the authors of the original lancet article replying to criticism.

 

I forgive you.

5 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

I totally disagree 

Me too and I never heard about this "Dutch artsen collectief" and their guideline, any links to that. Besides how many people are healthy ?

My self I took both Pfizer jabs with pleasure, I am 79, taking only one pill a day ( no not Viagra ) and feeling great.

12 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Thanks for missing the point altogether. Not paranoid in the least.  Just don’t want a vaccine that has little effect against the Delta variant.  Nor would I want a vaccine with no detailed track record on those over 60 years.

Go ahead and take Sinovak if you like.  I’ll respectfully pass.

Sinovac uses the traditional method… inactivated virus. This method has  been used for a long time so it has a long track record.

20 hours ago, placeholder said:

Covax isn't going to play much of a role in helping Thailand. Thailand is far from being an impoverished nation.

It doesn’t hurt to get on line. At this point, Thailand is just trying to get any  doses available.. no matter what the brand is.

4 hours ago, Albert Zweistein said:

Thus, to date, the safety and immunogenicity of the Sputnik V vaccine has been confirmed in multiple studies !

Loud and clear !

Ooh, "multiple studies".

 

So loud, so clear.

 

OK, I'm convinced.

 

The Russian bot and troll farms are working overtime.

 

 

 

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It seems  obvious to me  that infections in Bangkok are slowing, & rising in provinces, people are leaving Bangkok and returning to their home province talking Covid with them

29 minutes ago, hioctane said:

It doesn’t hurt to get on line. At this point, Thailand is just trying to get any  doses available.. no matter what the brand is.

I agree.

29 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Ooh, "multiple studies".

 

So loud, so clear.

 

OK, I'm convinced.

 

The Russian bot and troll farms are working overtime.

 

 

 

Even though I've criticized at the way standard protocols were violated, countries that use it seem to be faring remarkably well. The problem remains, though, that the manufacturer can't fulfill their contracts. Other vaccine makers had that problem in their early days, but Sputnik V was the first to be offered. That they are still having serious production problems clearly indicates that it was released too soon before the kinks could be worked out. 

8 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

I totally disagree 

Well that's fine obviously, but for the sake of discussion could you write some argumentation maybe....

17 hours ago, hotchilli said:

I'm sure the frontline workers who are now dealing with infections are grateful that it's being worked on in a timely manner.

Got to dot those Is and cross those Ts! Was watching Thai TV yesterday showing health workers collapsing exhausted, and news of a friend of Mrs sister dying in hospital of Covid.... 

Someone hand out the fiddle to Nero.

On 8/2/2021 at 10:43 AM, internationalism said:

it was dr anutin who met sputnik representatives in bangkok just after songkran.

That was over 100 days ago.

That's the second time this vax is publicly mentioned.

Btw the PM can't pronounce names of all those vaccines.

"100 days ago"?  So what?

"2nd mention"?  So what?

"MIspronunciation"?  So what?

23 hours ago, Stocky said:

BBC was reporting Sputnik V vaccine was experiencing delays, so wouldn't hold out much hope pursuing this option.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58003893

Wouldn't hold out any hope for anything from the 'kin BBC being accurate or impartial.

On 8/2/2021 at 10:56 AM, JoePai said:

Small problem :

 

Sputnik V isn’t yet approved by the European Medicines Agency (EMA) or the World Health Organization, meaning it cannot be used by COVAX

No one needs those agencies with all the Thaivisa scientists and unbiased virologists and epidemiologists around here!

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12 hours ago, watthong said:

But isn't AZ/Sinovac doing the same thing? If not, could you explain what the difference between Sputnik and AZ/Sinovac, thanks.

AZ is doing exactly the same thing as Sputnik V, at least in terms of the underlying vaccine technology. They both use an adenovirus vector. The differences are that AZ uses a simian adenovirus (and it's the same for both doses) whereas Sputnik V uses two different human adenoviruses, one for the first dose and another for the second.

 

The SinoVac vaccine uses a completely different approach to either the AZ or Sputnik V products, it's an inactivated virus vaccine. So instead of introducing the genetic code for only the spike protein into the body and letting the body make copies, it is made by taking the entire virus, disabling it so it can't actually cause an infection, then introducing these whole, inactivated virus particles into the body.

12 hours ago, watthong said:

But isn't AZ/Sinovac doing the same thing? If not, could you explain what the difference between Sputnik and AZ/Sinovac, thanks.

In case it helps - and I find it usually does, here are diagrams illustrating the two different approaches. As mentioned, Sputnik V works exactly the same as the Oxford (AZ) vaccine while SinoVac is an inactivated virus vaccine.

 

(Also links to the sources of them, to stay within the rules).

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55302595

 

https://www.intvetvaccnet.co.uk/blog/covid-19/vaccine-eight-types-being-tested

 

 

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16 hours ago, impulse said:

If that were true, how would it facilitate combatting a circulatory or respiratory disease?

 

Actually, this was pointed out in another thread as a common misconception. Many people seem to think that the vaccine is what combats the virus - it isn't.

 

It's not like a drug, where the drug itself contains the active components that are designed to overcome the disease.

 

The vaccine simply primes the immune system to recognise the virus when it encounters it in future. It's the immune system that actually does the work to fight off the disease.

 

The vaccine itself is destroyed within a short period of time after administration, precisely because the immune system has recognised it as a foreign entity and mobilised antibodies and T cells against it.

On 8/2/2021 at 10:42 AM, tomazbodner said:

Sputnik works in a similar way to Astra Zeneca, just that it uses 2 different vectors between first and second jab, which probably (depending on what vectors they actually use) would make it more effective than Astra and J&J. There were not many side effects reported from it either. However, the company making them is new to vaccine production and they have little or no control over batches "while they are cooking" which is 8 weeks if I remember correctly. It is only at the end of the period that they compare the batch to reference sample and either pass it or toss it. Given many batches didn't match reference, their output was severely crippled since they had no way to check samples through the process, which would have saved them a lot of time. Due to that, their output was many times smaller than they originally predicted, and then, of course, someone started making fakes and selling them around, to ruin their reputation completely.

 

Hence from vaccine point of view, it's a more effective version of AZ, with efficacy in the same range as mRNA vaccines. But from availability point of view, it's basically non-existent.

Finally, someone agrees with my opinion. I would choose Sputnik V if I had the opportunity.

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Wouldn't hold out any hope for anything from the 'kin BBC being accurate or impartial.

As compared with what, a spokesperson from the Thai Ministry of Truth?

35 minutes ago, Stocky said:

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Wouldn't hold out any hope for anything from the 'kin BBC being accurate or impartial.

As compared with what, a spokesperson from the Thai Ministry of Truth?

Yes.  Both as dodgy as each other.

19 hours ago, WhatsNext said:

Don't forget that 99,85% of the people that catch covid live to tell it and that percentage is even higher when you are healthy and below 70.

Not sure where you're getting that figure from. Covid infection fatality rates vary according to place and time but at the moment they're in the 2 - 9% range, depending on country.

 

So no matter which country you're talking about, your chances of surviving are definitely lower than 99.85% and sometimes significantly so.

 

Figures below from Johns Hopkins University Medical Center.

 

 

Edited August 3, 20214 yr by GroveHillWanderer

On 8/2/2021 at 1:33 PM, WhatsNext said:

I got offered the pfizer suddenly out of nowhere from a hospital in Bangkok. Everything very strange. Sinovac isn't working much, Astra is dangerous if you are under 60 and healthy, pfizer is so convinced that their vaccine works, that they don't accept any responsibility. Plus everything is emergency use only and happy worrying for the next 10 years if you take one. I'll wait for novavax thank you.

MISINFORMATION ALERT:

Astra Zeneca is not at all dangerous if you are ANY age and HEALTHY, I myself and most of my peers have had 2 doses of AZ and the oldest is 48, severe sickness is rare and death is extremely rare

The birth pill has claimed more lives in the past 12 months than Astra Zeneca

Do proper research before you spin nonsense remarks, if you are scared of shadows that's your business but dont try to pull others down with MISINFORMATION.

I will happily sign up for Sputnik.

3 hours ago, steevjee said:

MISINFORMATION ALERT:

Astra Zeneca is not at all dangerous if you are ANY age and HEALTHY, I myself and most of my peers have had 2 doses of AZ and the oldest is 48, severe sickness is rare and death is extremely rare

The birth pill has claimed more lives in the past 12 months than Astra Zeneca

Do proper research before you spin nonsense remarks, if you are scared of shadows that's your business but dont try to pull others down with MISINFORMATION.

Please educate yourself with the results for the Vaers and Eudravigilance databases which are government controlled bodies that oversee the side effects of vaccines.

You will see that astrazeneca has been banned in certain countries, and limited to age ranges in others because of a very dangerous side effect : TTS. All medicines have side effects, all medicines can cause damage and death the emergency use only vaccines that we have now are certainly no exception. Everything has a risk.

 

Don't accuse others of misinformation if you yourself are not informed. And please don't try to make your message look important with nonsense claims of "misinformation" you are the one doing that.

Edited August 3, 20214 yr by WhatsNext

3 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Not sure where you're getting that figure from. Covid infection fatality rates vary according to place and time but at the moment they're in the 2 - 9% range, depending on country.

You confuse the number of deaths per number of people tested positive to the real IFR. Countries that test less have a higher percentage than countries that test, it's as simple as that. And here is one source for the 99,85% for you : https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

 

There it's actually even lower at 0.09% globally. Also see this interesting table of deaths in the Netherlands, a country which tests everyone as soon as they wake up everyday (to overstate it)

 

Interesting quote from that article : "or people < 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0.05%); the corrected values were similar."

 

 

Edited August 3, 20214 yr by WhatsNext

6 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Actually, this was pointed out in another thread as a common misconception. Many people seem to think that the vaccine is what combats the virus - it isn't.

 

It's not like a drug, where the drug itself contains the active components that are designed to overcome the disease.

 

The vaccine simply primes the immune system to recognise the virus when it encounters it in future. It's the immune system that actually does the work to fight off the disease.

 

The vaccine itself is destroyed within a short period of time after administration, precisely because the immune system has recognised it as a foreign entity and mobilised antibodies and T cells against it.

The statement was that it didn't affect anything outside the injection site.  11,000+ deaths in the VAERS database says otherwise.  It primes the immune system.  Apparently to do other stuff, too. 

 

It's perfectly reasonable to argue that the risk of the vaccine is lower than the risk of the virus.  But it's false to claim that there is no risk.  VAERS proves that, even in the short term.  It will be years before we know the long term effects.  Let's see what happens when the next generation of kids gets old enough to see if there's any long term effects on the unborn.

 

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