12 hours ago, ezzra said:

If it's better than the the Sino rubbish and the other Sino cr*p than go for it, but i'm skeptical as to how a vax was developed so quickly as vaccines takes many months if not years to prefect in human trials and here Presto, out of a blue, Thailand has it's own vax.. Amazing...

Not exactly home-grown, they did have some help from Pennsylvania.

55 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Well, if they can do it, good on them and one up to them.

 

If not, then not. We'll know by next year some time.

 

31 minutes ago, steven100 said:

Does this mean Expatvac  will be using Chupa Chups vax and they are calling for TV expat volunteer's who are over 60 and possibly pregnant .... 

I fit the bill, well i am over 60 and look pregnant so i am told daily.

32 minutes ago, spermwhale said:

You are skeptical because you don't understand the science of it. But do you understand the science of any other vaccine or medicine you use? They developed fast because so many of the world's largest pharmaceutical companies started working on vaccines and threw all they had into it. Many failed. Many have never made it to clinical trials and you never heard of those efforts. 

The first people who were involved in the initial clinical trials got their shots more than a year ago. Still no long term effects are showing. And before you say one year is not a long term mind you after a few weeks the vaccines are no longer in our bodies. They have prepped our bodies to fight COIVD-19. No vaccine on the market has had long-term effects where people have adverse effects years and years later. Many vaccines including the COVID-19 ones have had adverse effects in rare cases but they happened shortly after inoculation. 

 

Well said sir.

39 minutes ago, spermwhale said:

You are skeptical because you don't understand the science of it. But do you understand the science of any other vaccine or medicine you use? They developed fast because so many of the world's largest pharmaceutical companies started working on vaccines and threw all they had into it. Many failed. Many have never made it to clinical trials and you never heard of those efforts. 

The first people who were involved in the initial clinical trials got their shots more than a year ago. Still no long term effects are showing. And before you say one year is not a long term mind you after a few weeks the vaccines are no longer in our bodies. They have prepped our bodies to fight COIVD-19. No vaccine on the market has had long-term effects where people have adverse effects years and years later. Many vaccines including the COVID-19 ones have had adverse effects in rare cases but they happened shortly after inoculation. 

 

You wouldn't be saying that if you had ever tried one of the vaccines she knitted. And her home-brewed steroids are still the stuff of legend.

Inevitable fake news.

 

What else would you expect.

 

Next update:

 

 "Chula when mixed with Sinovac actually reverses COVID-19 and makes your skin whiter".

 

I'd wait to see a peer review from an independent source.

 

12 hours ago, Nojohndoe said:

Just to distract attention a little Marbug Virus  has surfaced  again. Enjoy.

 

Whats a marbug ?

should i bee scared ?

is it time to hide under the bed again ?

 

"In a phase 1 trial you may have lots of blood tests because the researchers look at how your body copes with and gets rid of the drug. They carefully record any side effects you may have and when you have them. The main aim of phase 1 trials is to find out about doses and side effects."

8 minutes ago, KC 71 said:

Whats a marbug ?

should i bee scared ?

is it time to hide under the bed again ?

 

Ebola.

 

Mainly in African and around small sois around Nana plaza.

So that "Fake News" thing is easily cast aside?

 

 

13 hours ago, Nojohndoe said:

A good promising start! I am left wondering why a comparison to Pfizer alone? Is Moderna's product somehow so inferior as to being a comparative?

The technology involved in mRNA vaccine development is not actually so new in medical research with  many documented papers describing the science of it. Independently achieving a result using a published technological process is not copying or stealing. And under the circumstances of the pandemic situation where such vaccines are being heralded as global salvation who cares when the pandemic is costing the well being of whole nations and the societies in them?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Probably a simple reason -- Pfizer is "known" in Thailand now because of the US donation several weeks ago and all the news that's come with it. While Moderna has been pre-sold through the private hospital association, it's not yet on Thai soil so it's not well known here to the masses. If this article came out in November, my guess is that the comparison would have been to both of those mRNA vaccines.

2 hours ago, spermwhale said:

You are skeptical because you don't understand the science of it. But do you understand the science of any other vaccine or medicine you use? They developed fast because so many of the world's largest pharmaceutical companies started working on vaccines and threw all they had into it. Many failed. Many have never made it to clinical trials and you never heard of those efforts. 

The first people who were involved in the initial clinical trials got their shots more than a year ago. Still no long term effects are showing. And before you say one year is not a long term mind you after a few weeks the vaccines are no longer in our bodies. They have prepped our bodies to fight COIVD-19. No vaccine on the market has had long-term effects where people have adverse effects years and years later. Many vaccines including the COVID-19 ones have had adverse effects in rare cases but they happened shortly after inoculation. 

 

Its still only first phase.

 

It's a huge leap of faith comparing it to Pfeizer just after a very, very, short (2 weeks) first phase clinical trial.

 

That said the more effective vaccines the better.

A good start. Similar to a soccer game, the first 5 minutes have been played. But unfortunately you cannot announce the final result in advance.

 

...the team expects to have this Thai-made mRNA vaccine available to the general public by April 2022,...

 

Vaccine development, all 3 clinical tests and the mass production technology - all ready in just 7 months -?

 

With this, the Chulalongkorn team would overtake the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world - in terms of time - by factor 2-3. 

 

How realistic the project is will then become clear in 7 months.

7 hours ago, shdmn said:

8 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

Maybe its  all those  anouncements of  something new that The  Thais  tell us they  have invented only for someone to  post a  verified  link to it being done donkeys  years before  like  cloud  seeding.

Show us your verified links then

Vincent Joseph Schaefer (July 4, 1906 – July 25, 1993) was an American chemist and meteorologist who developed cloud seeding. On November 13, 1946, while a researcher at the General Electric Research Laboratory, Schaefer modified clouds in the Berkshire Mountains by seeding them with dry ice. While he was self-taught and never completed high school, he was issued 14 patents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Schaefer

 

Wikipedia  shows 1  page for Thai  inventions and English inventions 189 pages

Edited August 17, 20214 yr by Rampant Rabbit

This sort of propaganda is meant to mollify the proles.

 

It plays upon a well-known university, and what is perceived as the best vaccine, and points to exceptional results, with a solution just around the corner.

 

Shameful.

 

 

 

 

Great job...????

I want Johns Hopkins or WHO to peer review and validate, or I'm taking the claim with a large dose of saline solution.

as the world will soon know how vaccine are useless, it's not difficult to be "as effective"...

 

 

It's just phase ONE. 

A lot could happen on the way. 

Eg misreading, incompetence, bragging, failsure. ????

If true this is great for Thailand. 

 

However, I’m sceptical, especially given Thailand's history of making fantastical announcements of cure discoveries. In the past Thailand has announced discoveries of the Cure for Aids, Ebola and has also (last year as early as May) Thailand announced it had developed a vaccine and was testing it on Monkeys.

 

It seems that any technological and scientific development is followed by a mad rush to make an announcement of overwhelming exaggeration by someone high up piggy-backing for acclamation on the coat tails of those working hard - once we dig a little deeper it is usually the case that the discovery is a minor breakthrough in 'how to treat’ rather than a cure. 

 

In this case, I hope the mRNA technology (which has been around for decades) can be used effectively to protect against the SARS-CoV-2 virus and that the virologists can track and mitigate against antigenic drift of SARS-CoV-2 such that a fast response in production of effective vaccines can take place. 

 

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/764359-we-have-the-cure-for-ebola-bangkoks-siriraj-hospital-announces/

 

https://www.voanews.com/archive/thai-inventors-claim-develop-first-aids-cure-2002-07-13

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-thailand-vaccine-m-idUSKBN22Z0QL

 

 

 

Edited August 17, 20214 yr by richard_smith237

9 hours ago, webfact said:

In comparison, the viral vector vaccine from AstraZeneca has this particular efficacy rate at 84%, while the inactivated vaccine from Sinovac is at 75%. The minimum threshold of research was only 68%.

It's these numbers that lead me to doubt the Thai vaccine numbers.

My trust quotient for thai government announcements  was depleted months ago.

Time will tell.

15 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Are you forgetting the " Hub", then maybe the authorities have been too busy to make the announcement  - - - -   *The Hub of Vaccines"

They first need a ‘crack-down’..... 

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13 hours ago, shdmn said:

Sure seems to be a lot of virologists on this message board who love to give their expert opinions...that they pull out of thin air and that always seems to conclude that THAilAnd BaD.

Perhaps you’d like to quote some,or even any, cutting edge technical innovations or adaptations that Thailand have successfully come up with? You don’t have to be an expert virologist to look at the country’s record of false announcements that amount to nothing.

8 hours ago, smedly said:

reading that article Thailand is claiming to have developed an mRNA vaccine that is performing better than any other vaccine in the world right now, at least that is how it is written 

No it doesn't, it says that it is "as effective as the Pfizer vaccine when it comes to antibody stimulation."

 

That means it performs as well as it (and in one specific way only) - not better.

7 hours ago, spermwhale said:

You are skeptical because you don't understand the science of it. But do you understand the science of any other vaccine or medicine you use? They developed fast because so many of the world's largest pharmaceutical companies started working on vaccines and threw all they had into it. Many failed. Many have never made it to clinical trials and you never heard of those efforts. 

The first people who were involved in the initial clinical trials got their shots more than a year ago. Still no long term effects are showing. And before you say one year is not a long term mind you after a few weeks the vaccines are no longer in our bodies. They have prepped our bodies to fight COIVD-19. No vaccine on the market has had long-term effects where people have adverse effects years and years later. Many vaccines including the COVID-19 ones have had adverse effects in rare cases but they happened shortly after inoculation. 

You seem to have missed the completely tongue-in-cheek nature of @placeholder's post.

 

The clue is in the fact that nobody has ever actually knitted a vaccine.

48 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

No it doesn't, it says that it is "as effective as the Pfizer vaccine when it comes to antibody stimulation."

 

That means it performs as well as it (and in one specific way only) - not better.

in my opinion it is how the article was written with percentages etc - you take from it what you want but as a layman that is how it appeared to me - and still does

1 hour ago, nchuckle said:

Perhaps you’d like to quote some,or even any, cutting edge technical innovations or adaptations that Thailand have successfully come up with? You don’t have to be an expert virologist to look at the country’s record of false announcements that amount to nothing.

 

Thailand's rich history of inventions is a matter of public record. Just look at their wikipedia entry:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Thai_inventions_and_discoveries

12 hours ago, shdmn said:

Show us your verified links then.  I can tell you first hand that a lot of the info some here are spewing is a bunch of made up nonsense.

 

Don't even get me started with the constant "Phuket sandbox is going to fail" nonsense.  You don't hear much of that here anymore because a lot of hotels are starting to fill up, as expected.  And it's still ultra low season.  Wait till we get into Oct/Nov. 

 

So the doom mongers do what they do best, move on to the next shiny object to complain about instead of admit they were wrong, and they are almost ALWAYS wrong.  Now they are beaking off about lack of vaccines. I can guarantee you that will gradually improve.  It already has quite a bit.  So the perpetually wrong doom mongers will just move on from that eventually.

Hello! What universe are you living in?

Could you ask A-nut-in where is the 10 million jabs he promised for this month.

22 minutes ago, nkg said:

 

Thailand's rich history of inventions is a matter of public record. Just look at their wikipedia entry:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Thai_inventions_and_discoveries

i did  say 1   page  as  opposed top the Uk 180+

I remember 3 or 4 years ago "Thai academics" created a 100% "cure for AID"...

Some months ago was created a Thai herbal remedy for covid...

very optimistic people.