Extremely common sense principles are completely ignored by most of you. It’s astonishing. 
 

Most here think keeping the borders closed is a good idea for example. News flash, covid is already in Thailand. If this needs explaining, it really shouldn’t, if you have 100 people and 3 have covid, if you add 100 more and now 6 have covid out of the 200, those are the same odds of getting covid.
 

Letting people enter an already infected country would not endanger the people within the country anymore than they are in now. Completely common sense notions totally rejected. Why? Well, in my last post I tried to explain that. People love covid. They love to act like they have a right to have some sort of say over other people’s lives. They’ve got nothing better to do. 

2 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

Extremely common sense principles are completely ignored by most of you. It’s astonishing. 
 

Most here think keeping the borders closed is a good idea for example. News flash, covid is already in Thailand. If this needs explaining, it really shouldn’t, if you have 100 people and 3 have covid, if you add 100 more and now 6 have covid out of the 200, those are the same odds of getting covid.
 

Letting people enter an already infected country would not endanger the people within the country anymore than they are in now. Completely common sense notions totally rejected. Why? Well, in my last post I tried to explain that. People love covid. They love to act like they have a right to have some sort of say over other people’s lives. They’ve got nothing better to do. 

NSW is saying 3000 cases came from one infected person. News Flash. Infection rate in BKK is >40% not 3%. 3% is what it needs to be. Your post is rediculous and adds nothing to a rational discourse.

4 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

Extremely common sense principles are completely ignored by most of you. It’s astonishing. 
 

Most here think keeping the borders closed is a good idea for example. News flash, covid is already in Thailand. If this needs explaining, it really shouldn’t, if you have 100 people and 3 have covid, if you add 100 more and now 6 have covid out of the 200, those are the same odds of getting covid.
 

Letting people enter an already infected country would not endanger the people within the country anymore than they are in now. Completely common sense notions totally rejected. Why? Well, in my last post I tried to explain that. People love covid. They love to act like they have a right to have some sort of say over other people’s lives. They’ve got nothing better to do. 

Reality is not a strong point in your post.  Opening up the borders would flood cases of covid from the surrounding countries right into Thailand.  That is a Risk I would not want to take if I was the Government here.  Now if they were vaccinated and could be vetted as such then that might be another issue.  Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia and Malaysia do not have very many of their populace, as far as migrant workers vaccinated.  On top of that there are hundreds of thousands of Myanmar migrants in camps along the border where they are living as displaced people from a war torn junta led coup in their own country.  Would you, if you were in charge just open up and let anyone and everyone into Thailand?  Not a prudent or wise move at this point.

3 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

If you look at this situation from a very logical perspective, it’s actually quite simple. Just drop all the baggage and bs, and look at people’s behavior. 
 

The first person wants others to give into their every whim, no matter how ridiculous. They want to lock down, and otherwise restrict others. 
 

Notice the second type of person and what they want: they want in no way to force their beliefs or actions onto others. Right? I certainly don’t want a vaxxer to not get vaxxed, I want him to be free to do as he sees fit. 
 

So you see, it really is quite simple. I know you still won’t get it, but perhaps there is a thing such as karma, and the more you try and impose your will onto others, the more I hope that comes back and haunts you… bc frankly if you live that way you deserve it. 

Seems like it's you whose doing the imposing.

22 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

if you have 100 people and 3 have covid, if you add 100 more and now 6 have covid out of the 200, those are the same odds of getting covid.

Are you saying that a bar with 200 people,  6 of those Covid+ is as safe as a bar with 100 people, 3 Covid+?

This gentleman is the reason the world is in such a mess.

Logic, science, facts, reasoning and real world examples are just an inconvenient truth not to get in the way of the nutter narrative.

Very frustrating.

2 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

Extremely common sense principles are completely ignored by most of you. It’s astonishing. 
 

Most here think keeping the borders closed is a good idea for example. News flash, covid is already in Thailand. If this needs explaining, it really shouldn’t, if you have 100 people and 3 have covid, if you add 100 more and now 6 have covid out of the 200, those are the same odds of getting covid.
 

Letting people enter an already infected country would not endanger the people within the country anymore than they are in now. Completely common sense notions totally rejected. Why? Well, in my last post I tried to explain that. People love covid. They love to act like they have a right to have some sort of say over other people’s lives. They’ve got nothing better to do. 

Common sense requires you understand the reasons.

 

The quarantined international borders are set up primarily to  stop new variants and have so far worked flawlessly. Several potentially dangerous variants were caught in quarantine including Brazil's P.1 (Gamma) on a flight from France, UK's Alpha was stopped several times in the months before it came across a land boarder from Cambodia. They even stopped a 'Thai' strain on a flight from Egypt before it entered.

 

Variants that did enter came across land borders with Myanmar, Cambodia, and Malaysia. Thailand cannot close its 4,700km of land borders.

 

The quarantined borders are keeping out many new variants that are not yet nearby. This includes Lambda, Kappa, Eta, Iota.

Time to stop feeding the nutters guys. Response is what they want. It's sadly how they get enjoyment from life. I suggest we stop providing it.

34 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

If you look at this situation from a very logical perspective, it’s actually quite simple. Just drop all the baggage and bs, and look at people’s behavior. 
 

The first person wants others to give into their every whim, no matter how ridiculous. They want to lock down, and otherwise restrict others. 
 

Notice the second type of person and what they want: they want in no way to force their beliefs or actions onto others. Right? I certainly don’t want a vaxxer to not get vaxxed, I want him to be free to do as he sees fit. 
 

So you see, it really is quite simple. I know you still won’t get it, but perhaps there is a thing such as karma, and the more you try and impose your will onto others, the more I hope that comes back and haunts you… bc frankly if you live that way you deserve it. 

You sound like you objected greatly when your parents made you eat your vegetables.

41 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

Extremely common sense principles are completely ignored by most of you. It’s astonishing. 
 

Most here think keeping the borders closed is a good idea for example. News flash, covid is already in Thailand. If this needs explaining, it really shouldn’t, if you have 100 people and 3 have covid, if you add 100 more and now 6 have covid out of the 200, those are the same odds of getting covid.
 

Letting people enter an already infected country would not endanger the people within the country anymore than they are in now. Completely common sense notions totally rejected. Why? Well, in my last post I tried to explain that. People love covid. They love to act like they have a right to have some sort of say over other people’s lives. They’ve got nothing better to do. 

You clearly don’t understand the concept of virus variants. 

1 hour ago, utalkin2me said:

Many of you have finally found your passion in life: covid. And I will be damned if it is not true if this all ended tomorrow these same people would be inwardly upset… I dont get to mock nomaskers and no vaxxers anymore? What am I gonna do with myself. 
 

If people would actually self analyze, which they won’t, they’d find this all to be true. Covid is this decade’s (or two) festering itch for the angst that past generations experienced via depressions and world wars. 

There are four million worldwide who would disagree with you, but Covid killed them.

The question for the night:

 

About a month ago, when infection rates were spiking, I asked whether it would be advisable to stock up on supplies in the event of disruptions in the supply chain. I won’t be discussing the responses then, but I would like to know whether anyone still thinks stocking up is a good idea.

31 minutes ago, rabas said:

The quarantined international borders are set up primarily to  stop new variants and have so far worked flawlessly.

Are NZ not currently dealing with a Delta variant outbreak despite closing borders? 

It’s time to live with Covid-19, says Thailand’s Communicable Diseases Committee as they discuss a new plan and strategy

 

Bangkok –

The National Communicable Diseases Committee today, August 23rd, has agreed, in principle, on four ways to reopen the country to foreign visitors safely under new disease control measures, which has been called “Smart Control and Living with Covid-19”.

 

This new strategy, which is still in the preliminary plan phase, reflects a dramatic change from previous “zero-covid” plans and those involving strict partial lockdowns that have shuttered tens of thousands of businesses, especially in economically viable provinces and areas like Bangkok, Samut Sakhon, and Chonburi. It is estimated, according to the Thai Government, that three-quarters of the economy are currently under strict virus curbs, causing immense economic pain for millions of people. Regardless of financial aid given, this is not sustainable in the long term, stated the proposed plan from the National Communicable Diseases Committee.

 

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/08/23/its-time-to-live-with-covid-19-says-thailands-communicable-diseases-committee-as-they-discuss-a-new-plan-and-strategy/

 

 

Edited August 23, 20215 yr by anchadian

39 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Time to stop feeding the nutters guys. Response is what they want. It's sadly how they get enjoyment from life. I suggest we stop providing it.

Agreed.

16 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Are NZ not currently dealing with a Delta variant outbreak despite closing borders? 

The NZ borders were not 100% closed. The Delta variant is believed to have come from an Australian who came to NZ (as NZ 'softened' their entry requirements allowing some from Australia to come to NZ). 

 

I think they (NZ) are up to 107 cases currently. 

 

The NZ # of cases (107 thus far in this current outbreak) is relatively small ... and NZ has a strict HARD and EARLY policy when it comes to dealing with the virus.  I am interested to learn how they will manage with the Delta, which spreads much easier than other COVID variants.

 

I suspect once more in NZ are vaccinated, they may change that HARD/EARLY policy, but at present given the 'relative ease' for them to close their borders, prior to the delta this strategy appears to have mostly been working for them (compared to most other countries).

Edited August 23, 20215 yr by oldcpu

19 minutes ago, anchadian said:

It’s time to live with Covid-19, says Thailand’s Communicable Diseases Committee as they discuss a new plan and strategy

 

Bangkok –

The National Communicable Diseases Committee today, August 23rd, has agreed, in principle, on four ways to reopen the country to foreign visitors safely under new disease control measures, which has been called “Smart Control and Living with Covid-19”.

 

This new strategy, which is still in the preliminary plan phase, reflects a dramatic change from previous “zero-covid” plans and those involving strict partial lockdowns that have shuttered tens of thousands of businesses, especially in economically viable provinces and areas like Bangkok, Samut Sakhon, and Chonburi. It is estimated, according to the Thai Government, that three-quarters of the economy are currently under strict virus curbs, causing immense economic pain for millions of people. Regardless of financial aid given, this is not sustainable in the long term, stated the proposed plan from the National Communicable Diseases Committee.

 

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/08/23/its-time-to-live-with-covid-19-says-thailands-communicable-diseases-committee-as-they-discuss-a-new-plan-and-strategy/

 

 

There does seem to be a change of strategy in the air.  It seems inevitable that the current lockdown will be relaxed. But by how much?

Interesting and welcome news if it happens soon enough.

 

Thailand secures options to switch to new COVID-19 vaccine which is under development

 

Thai Government has secured the option to switch to AstraZeneca’s new vaccine candidate which is designed to maintain the high levels of protection of the current vaccine while providing additional protection against new variants, according to the Government Spokesperson Anucha Burapachaisri.

The new vaccine is currently under development. The deal should be finalized by September this year.

Anucha said that AstraZeneca has confirmed during a teleconference with Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha that it will step up vaccine deliveries and will aim to deliver the remaining doses by the end of this year.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailand-secures-options-to-switch-to-new-covid-19-vaccine-which-is-under-development/

Edited August 23, 20215 yr by Bkk Brian

33 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

There does seem to be a change of strategy in the air.  It seems inevitable that the current lockdown will be relaxed. But by how much?

Let’s hope a lot and get things back moving in the right direction. People able to work, children back at school, people getting their lives and livelihoods, mental health and self esteem back on track. 
 

 

Posts have been reported and removed.  Stay on topic and stop with the baiting, bickering and personal commentary on other members.

Phuket Update

 

73 new official pcr confirmed community cases, 1 new case from Sandbox, no new deaths. So far there have been 2,725 official cases since 1st July and 17 covid deaths which makes a case mortality rate of 0.63%

 

They stopped the report on the rapid test cases so thats not included.

https://www.facebook.com/NewshawkPhuket/posts/2976581689258334

2 hours ago, oldcpu said:

The NZ borders were not 100% closed. The Delta variant is believed to have come from an Australian who came to NZ (as NZ 'softened' their entry requirements allowing some from Australia to come to NZ). 

 

I think they (NZ) are up to 107 cases currently. 

 

The NZ # of cases (107 thus far in this current outbreak) is relatively small ... and NZ has a strict HARD and EARLY policy when it comes to dealing with the virus.  I am interested to learn how they will manage with the Delta, which spreads much easier than other COVID variants.

 

I suspect once more in NZ are vaccinated, they may change that HARD/EARLY policy, but at present given the 'relative ease' for them to close their borders, prior to the delta this strategy appears to have mostly been working for them (compared to most other countries).

So the Delta infected person came from the other country with borders in hard lockdown, Australia. Presumably that's why NZ allowed Australians in, because their borders were just as tightly controlled. Yet as I said, Delta still got in.

Tightly locking borders just delays the inevitable as far as I can see. 

When I see the numbers for Aug 22 2021 in the Nation, chart,  Impact of Covid 19 in ASEAN, and see

Philippines New cases 215, total cases 1,839,635 and deaths of 31,810

Then I see Thailand new cases 233, total cases 1,049,295, and deaths of 9,320.

  I have to wonder why so many more people died in the Philippines?  A difference 

in the the total amount of deaths is over 3 times the amount of deaths in Thailand, which makes me believe the

numbers from Philippines and Indonesia a bit more.  Just saying.

Geezer

NEWS FLASH>>>   MODERATORS    MAYBE YOU COULD PUT THIS IN A PROMINENT  SPOT PLEASE

 

Maha hospital in Korat has sent an email advising  all   that vaccination  is TODAY, between 10am  and 1pm at Central   shopping centre, Korat.

 To find  if you are on the list.... move cursor to  end of the  email names shown  in the  line, and click on the drop down  sign and scroll.

 

Didnt count  but there appears    maybe over a 100 namas,,   listed by your E mail address.  , not your actual name.

10 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

Letting people enter an already infected country would not endanger the people within the country anymore than they are in now.

How did it get in in the first place..... think about it. 

COVID-19: Thailand reports 20,059 recoveries and 17,165 coronavirus cases

 

FILE PHOTO: Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) patients are seen at a field hospital in Bangkok, Thailand August 5, 2021. Picture taken August 5, 2021. REUTERS/Soe Zeya Tun

 

Thailand on Tuesday (August 24) reported 17,165 new COVID-19 cases, 20,059 recoveries and 226 additional deaths over the past 24 hours.

 

Full story: https://aseannow.com/topic/1228516-covid-19-thailand-reports-20059-recoveries and-17165-coronavirus-cases/

 

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