brewsterbudgen Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, mommysboy said: 'Learn to live with it' is a mantra that is most appropriately used by countries with very high vaccination rates. Before then, the phrase 'learn to die with it' would perhaps be more apt when viewed across the whole population. And no country did this; always there came a time when the hospitals became so overwhelmed that lockdown became necessary. I'm surprised that a poster of your knowledge and intelligence just can't see this. I was quoting our esteemed government. But actually I do agree with the sentiment now that numbers appear to be manageable. Vaccines and sensible protocols are the answer, not further restrictions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post brewsterbudgen Posted September 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 35 minutes ago, Macrohistory said: Tell that to the people who are dying I'm not sure overly emotional responses are helpful. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchadian Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Spilornis said: about the same... maybe slightly down Perhaps to be expected as the latest vaccines are not being supplied at the same rate as Sinovac. Hopefully Thai produced AZ ramps up https://covidvax.live/location/tha That link is several days out of date. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Scrotobike said: "Tourists" be aware there will soon be no capacity in the medical system in Phuket. what tourists - have you not noticed they stopped publishing arrival number since the end of August - The Sandbox rip off model has failed like most on here said it would - it was marginally better than ASQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchadian Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 hours ago, anchadian said: Chonburi Public Health Office is reporting 935 new cases today and 12 deaths. Most new cases are in Chonburi City (142), Si Racha (151), Bang Lamung/Pattaya (152), and Ban Beung (141). There are 13,701 patients in care #COVID19 #โควิดวันนี้ #Thailand https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1438649431079804933 Further details: https://thepattayanews.com/2021/09/17/chonburi-new-and-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-drop-to-935-with-12-deaths/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mommysboy Posted September 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 Taking the UK as the ideal model- it is thought that around 90% of those 16 and above exhibit antibodies to covid 19. At that level cases are on the decline and deaths are being held at the low hundreds per day. The UK has decided to live with that, and is pondering over booster jabs. The UK uses very effective vaccines, although Pfizer seems to fade. That's the benchmark for Thailand, and is the best it gets. I reckon 100 days at a fair clip and Thailand should start to think about full reopening, although it could happen quicker in selected areas, such as Pattaya, Phuket, and Bangkok, etc. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 27 minutes ago, cyril sneer said: how are the vaccinations going? how much % rise this week compared with the week before? as I predicted - they are now having to give all those that got 2x sinovac shots a 3rd booster shot ...........................that's how it's going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, smedly said: what tourists - have you not noticed they stopped publishing arrival number since the end of August - The Sandbox rip off model has failed like most on here said it would - it was marginally better than ASQ Yeah massive failure. Since July, 28,000 visitors, 1.6 billion baht raised and only 88 covid cases as of Sept 5th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: For the second day in a row, the number of new cases has been greater than people discharged from care. Were restrictions eased too soon? Or are we still on a downward trend which will lead to the opening of the country in October? #Thailand https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1438669879582756865 That’s strange. You have copied the exact same post from the poster above yours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Monster Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: Large spike from infections in prisons yesterday, they've had months to take effective measures to control the spreads there but unfortunately neglect this portion of the community in a similar way to the migrants. Continuous uptick in community cases for the last 4 days. PCR test positive cases, total of 14,555 official new infections, with 790 of those from prison and 13,765 from the community. 171 official covid deaths recorded. Rapid tests positive cases, 1,630 bringing the unofficial total to 16,185 https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/ Rolling 7 day average (up to 15th Sept) which includes prison cases and bar chart of community cases from daily official announcements. https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/thailand The uptick in Prison Infections comes as little surprise. Authorities have, as you say, had Months to manage and control the Infections within the chronically overcrowded Prisons, and have done little to protect these people. It would appear that the wonder Herb " Green Chireeta " that was trialed in Chang Mai,s Prison using 3000 Inmates, is not as good as it was touted by the Prisons and Correctional Dept. They even said it was so good they are growing the stuff within the Prisons for their own use. Yet another Thai wonder that is totally useless, but this one is affecting peoples Health and Lives, which is despicable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Kadilo said: That’s strange. You have copied the exact same post from the poster above yours. Strange for you maybe but perhaps not so strange for the separate tweets, the first being from Thai News Reports and an update separate tweet from Richard Barrow with separate information https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1438668778095534080 https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1438669879582756865 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post anchadian Posted September 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Kadilo said: That’s strange. You have copied the exact same post from the poster above yours. Incorrect. I amended my post to include Barrow's comment AFTER Bkk Brian had posted his. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, anchadian said: Incorrect. I amended my post to include Barrow's comment AFTER Bkk Brian had posted his. Ahhh that would explain it. Good teamwork. Edited September 17, 2021 by Kadilo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchadian Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kadilo said: Ahhh that would explain it. Good teamwork. Furthermore, the two Barrow comments were posted within seconds of each other. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Thailand worldometer ranking including yesterday’s data. 29th in world for total number of cases 10th in Asia for number of total cases 124th in world for death rates/million of population 27th in Asia for death rates/million of population https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCowboy Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Bkk Brian, can you please clarify the source of the very helpful two-tone green bar chart of PCR and ATK totals? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrJack54 Posted September 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: They need something, the sandbox is not helping the majority of them and even those that have tourists cannot carry on with the low bookings and still have all the staff in place. The thing with domestic tourism is that most things are closed. We would go to Phuket tomorrow no problem if I knew what you can and cannot do. Stick with Phuket. Out routine would normally be few nights Phuket town and our evening go would be the small music venues. Few nights at Karon and night out places such as Two Sisters restaurant/bar has nice vibe and Music. Kamala beach for the restaurants on the beach. And not close at 9pm and not beer out of cup. Etc etc. How many of those places will be open. Also have some people to create atmosphere. Last Sunday went to JayJay Bangkok. Was so empty. Talk about watching the paint try. This will be very slow process and first step is open up some venues. That doesn't mean all night nightclubs. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, TheCowboy said: Bkk Brian, can you please clarify the source of the very helpful two-tone green bar chart of PCR and ATK totals? Thanks. Data is from the link that is also provided in the post, this one https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/ you can set the date and track back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted September 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, DrJack54 said: The thing with domestic tourism is that most things are closed. We would go to Phuket tomorrow no problem if I knew what you can and cannot do. Stick with Phuket. Out routine would normally be few nights Phuket town and our evening go would be the small music venues. Few nights at Karon and night out places such as Two Sisters restaurant/bar has nice vibe and Music. Kamala beach for the restaurants on the beach. And not close at 9pm and not beer out of cup. Etc etc. How many of those places will be open. Also have some people to create atmosphere. Last Sunday went to JayJay Bangkok. Was so empty. Talk about watching the paint try. This will be very slow process and first step is open up some venues. That doesn't mean all night nightclubs. I agree, for god sake Phuket is the most highly vaccinated place in Thailand by far and well over 70% now. If you can't open fully by now then there is something very wrong and as you know I also include schools in that as well as the entertainment venues etc. The model that was to be the one to follow for the rest of Thailand is not exactly showing promise at the moment. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said: I was quoting our esteemed government. But actually I do agree with the sentiment now that numbers appear to be manageable. Vaccines and sensible protocols are the answer, not further restrictions. Another thread running where the “health vs economy is discussed.” with an article https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/thailand-to-reopen-more-regions-to-tourists-by-oct-1-analysts-say-it-is-risky-but "We believe there could be some risk of higher infections once the country reopens, but it is worthwhile to risk that, given that many livelihoods depend on it," said Ms Yuwanee. Now the numbers are manageable the balance is now on the side of the economy and hence the peak season opening in line with the vaccination rollout. The decision has been made to “learn to live with it” and the forward strategy is based on that, not delay or going back imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Reported off topic posts have been removed along with replies to them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCowboy Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Data is from the link that is also provided in the post, this one https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/ you can set the date and track back. Sorry if I'm being dumb here -- are you getting the data then making the PCR+ATK bar graph yourself? I can't find it on the MOPH site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheCowboy said: Sorry if I'm being dumb here -- are you getting the data then making the PCR+ATK bar graph yourself? I can't find it on the MOPH site. Yes the chart is complied by me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Details of the 5 people that died yesterday in Phuket: Female, 74, no known congenital disease, vaccination history unknown, was a high-risk contact with an infected person Female, 67, suffered high blood pressure and abnormal blood lipids, heart disease, kidney failure, diabetes, vaccinated with two injections of AstraZeneca, was a high-risk contact with an infected person Male, 89, no known congenital disease, vaccination history unknown Female, 85, no known congenital disease, vaccination history unknown, lived in a high-risk area for infections Male, 38, suffered high blood pressure and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, vaccinated with two injections of Sinovac https://thethaiger.com/news/phuket/phuket-5-covid-19-deaths-2-sandboxers-drop-in-hospital-beds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCowboy Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Yes the chart is complied by me. Great, thanks! For your consideration: a line showing seven day moving average of the daily PCR+ATK total? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, smedly said: as I predicted - they are now having to give all those that got 2x sinovac shots a 3rd booster shot ...........................that's how it's going It's going to be the same with Pfizer too. The first 2 doses is just where it starts for us all. Note: none of the vaccines were made for the Delta variant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 35 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: I agree, for god sake Phuket is the most highly vaccinated place in Thailand by far and well over 70% now. If you can't open fully by now then there is something very wrong and as you know I also include schools in that as well as the entertainment venues etc. The model that was to be the one to follow for the rest of Thailand is not exactly showing promise at the moment. 90% is basically required. Even then cases will surge, but deaths will thankfully be much lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Just now, mommysboy said: 90% is basically required. Even then cases will surge, but deaths will thankfully be much lower. Sure that would be ideal and I don't really disagree however no country has waited for that amount, not even the UK so with using Phuket as an example it should be there and ready to open fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 37 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: I agree, for god sake Phuket is the most highly vaccinated place in Thailand by far and well over 70% now. If you can't open fully by now then there is something very wrong and as you know I also include schools in that as well as the entertainment venues etc. The model that was to be the one to follow for the rest of Thailand is not exactly showing promise at the moment. Ultimately, it's the general public who are the arbiters. In times of high infection, Thais naturally become defensive- in Suratthani people go in to lockdown long before one is announced. So, it doesn't follow that just opening up results in a resumption of normal economic activity. In unvaccinated populations it does follow that it leads to greater hospitalizations and deaths. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Kadilo said: Details of the 5 people that died yesterday in Phuket: Female, 74, no known congenital disease, vaccination history unknown, was a high-risk contact with an infected person Female, 67, suffered high blood pressure and abnormal blood lipids, heart disease, kidney failure, diabetes, vaccinated with two injections of AstraZeneca, was a high-risk contact with an infected person Male, 89, no known congenital disease, vaccination history unknown Female, 85, no known congenital disease, vaccination history unknown, lived in a high-risk area for infections Male, 38, suffered high blood pressure and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, vaccinated with two injections of Sinovac https://thethaiger.com/news/phuket/phuket-5-covid-19-deaths-2-sandboxers-drop-in-hospital-beds "chronic" disease not "congenital" is what they mean The colloquial Thai term for chronic disease gets constantly mistranslated from Thai as "congenital" disease (Google Translate does this). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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