Visa renewals not accepting 'Wise' transfers on bank statements unless it says 'international transfer'

[matlock]

My first few minimum monthly 65,000 baht transfers using Wise were listed as 'international transfer' on my Bangkok bank statements, but then sometimes they were listed as only 'transfers'. So even though they came via Wise from my UK bank they were not considered valid as proof of my monthly transfer when I wanted to renew my retirement visa. I was told that this was probably because Wise may have transferred the money from their Thailand based bank instead of their UK one. Does anyone else have this problem? Is it something to do with Bangkok Bank? And have you found a way around this crazy problem? Thanks. 

[Raindancer]

You could always print out your wise transfers statement.  That would then correspond with your overseas bank statements and your Thai bank account statement.

 

Hope that helps. 

[chickenslegs]

When you get to the "Payment purpose" question on your Wise transfer request, choose "Funds for long term stay in Thailand".

 

Wise are aware of the issue and created this option specifically to help us.

[matlock]

48 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

When you get to the "Payment purpose" question on your Wise transfer request, choose "Funds for long term stay in Thailand".

 

Wise are aware of the issue and created this option specifically to help us.

I do this already but Bangkok Bank statement printouts and bank books do not show this information. They just say 'Transfer'

 

[chickenslegs]

15 minutes ago, matlock said:

I do this already but Bangkok Bank statement printouts and bank books do not show this information. They just say 'Transfer'

 

I have a Bangkok Bank account and all my Wise transfers (from UK) show as FTT in the bank book and on statements. Maybe you should contact Wise and explain your problem.

[KhunBENQ]

1 hour ago, chickenslegs said:

When you get to the "Payment purpose" question on your Wise transfer request, choose "Funds for long term stay in Thailand".

Always worked for me (although I do not need it for extension).

Excerpt from the internet "Account activity":

17 Sep 2021 14:00     International Transfer xxxxxxxx AUTO
16 Aug 2021 14:00     International Transfer xxxxxxxx AUTO
30 Jun 2021 14:01     International Transfer xxxxxxxx AUTO
17 Jun 2021 14:00     International Transfer xxxxxxxx AUTO
10 May 2021 14:00     International Transfer xxxxxxxx AUTO

 

On the book they appear with code "FTT".

[GrandPapillon]

Immigration is really being overzealous with those transfers, which just demonstrates how far they will go to 'harass' farangs,

 

I don't understand how can anyone accept this, even illegal immigrants in western countries have better options with western immigration departments

 

farangs need to vote with their feet with all that non-sense, otherwise it just smells desperation and they will keep increasing the pressure

Edited September 23, 2021 by GrandPapillon

[OJAS]

1 hour ago, matlock said:

I do this already but Bangkok Bank statement printouts and bank books do not show this information. They just say 'Transfer'

 

In that case, I think that you need to ask Wise to tag your account with them so as to ensure that they always route your transfers via Bangkok Bank as their partner bank - as explained by@john terry1001 in this 2019 thread:-

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1123581-transferwise-transfers-to-bangkok-bank/page/2/

 

It is essential that Wise always use Bangkok Bank as their partner bank (as stated on the second page of their Transfer Confirmation pdf's) in your case so as to ensure the eventual coveted FTT/International Transfer codings for your transfers. Unfortunately it would appear, in the light of your experience, that using the "Funds for long-term stay in Thailand" reason does not, after all, provide a 100% guarantee in itself of these codings - contrary to what has hitherto been generally stated on here. 

Edited September 23, 2021 by OJAS

[Pib]

6 hours ago, matlock said:

I do this already but Bangkok Bank statement printouts and bank books do not show this information. They just say 'Transfer'

 

The Bangkok Bank statement/passbook will not show whatever reason for transfer you selected with Wise.   By selecting the reason of transfer of  "Funds for Long Stay Thailand" that triggers Wise to use Bangkok Bank as its Thai banking partner which in turns means if the funds are going to a Bangkok Bank acct you will get coding on your Bangkok Bank statement/passbook of "International Transfer/FTT.  

 

If you don't select Funds for Long Stay Thailand for the Wise reason for transfer then Wise might end up using one of its other Thai banking partners of K-bank, DeeMoney, TMB, etc., to relay the transfer to your Bangkok Bank acct which results in no international coding with Bangkok Bank...just looks like a domestic Thailand transfer.

 

Edited September 23, 2021 by Pib

[treetops]

Have you opened a Wise Borderless account at any point?

[FritsSikkink]

On 9/23/2021 at 1:47 PM, GrandPapillon said:

Immigration is really being overzealous with those transfers, which just demonstrates how far they will go to 'harass' farangs,

 

I don't understand how can anyone accept this, even illegal immigrants in western countries have better options with western immigration departments

 

farangs need to vote with their feet with all that non-sense, otherwise it just smells desperation and they will keep increasing the pressure

Goodbye then.

[Dart12]

sorry. you got money from your left pocket instead of your right pocket to pay.  We only take right pocket money.  

LOL

[86Tiger]

 

 

Welcome to the forum.  So sorry it took a problem with bank to get you to register and join us.

 

 

This "problem" emerged at least 2 years back.  Wise provided us a solution.  To my knowledge you would be first since having solution to have the problem reoccur.

 

Will be following closely to see if others are seeing same.

[GrandPapillon]

23 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Goodbye then.

at least I am not desperate to stay in Thailand like my life would depend on it...

Edited September 25, 2021 by onthedarkside
flame comment removed

[FritsSikkink]

22 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

at least I am not desperate to stay in Thailand like my life would depend on it...

Unlike you i ... earn loads of money here and have a Thai wife who does the same.

Edited September 25, 2021 by onthedarkside
reply to hidden comment removed

[GrandPapillon]

15 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Unlike you i ... earn loads of money here and have a Thai wife who does the same.

loads of money? I wouldn't call making 200K THB a month loads of money ????

 

that's a basic salary in Europe ????

[Andrew65]

In my Bangkok Bank book it says "FTT", which I think means foreign telegraphic transfer.

[scubascuba3]

On 9/23/2021 at 1:14 PM, matlock said:

I do this already but Bangkok Bank statement printouts and bank books do not show this information. They just say 'Transfer'

 

I suspect you don't do that, you've forgotten you sometimes select a different reason for transfer

[The Hammer2021]

On 9/23/2021 at 1:47 PM, GrandPapillon said:

Immigration is really being overzealous with those transfers, which just demonstrates how far they will go to 'harass' farangs,

 

I don't understand how can anyone accept this, even illegal immigrants in western countries have better options with western immigration departments

 

farangs need to vote with their feet with all that non-sense, otherwise it just smells desperation and they will keep increasing the pressure

Farangs? What about other foreigners? Here in Pattaya the farangs are outnumbered by non white visitors? Anyway the OP should just use an agent to resolve such issues.

[GrandPapillon]

6 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Farangs? What about other foreigners? Here in Pattaya the farangs are outnumbered by non white visitors? Anyway the OP should just use an agent to resolve such issues.

farangs are treated with the most disrespectful and contempt ways by IOs, the procedure itself is "harassment"

 

what is amazing is that most farangs wouldn't accept that kind of treatment in any other country, yet take it all here.

 

At what point, do you say "stop" and claim back your "self pride"?

Edited September 25, 2021 by GrandPapillon

[mikebike]

Apparently a poster on this thread who doesn't live here ("stuck over there") does not know the difference between "a hassle" and "harassment"... ????

[Crazy Noobie]

As most of you all know, your bankbook must show the code, "FTT" so immigration knows the money was transferred from outside of Thailand. So no matter what source you use to bring your money in, make sure it shows the FTT.  Some sources, send the money to a bank in Bangkok, then they transfer the money to your local bank. When it is done that way, you will not have the FTT code. I had this problem when Thailand changed years ago and wanted to see the FTT code. So I had to get with the outside source and had to change the way they sent it. Now I never have an issue. I asked immigration why is it such a big deal for them to see the FTT code. They said they have no idea if the money is "really" coming into Thailand from an outside source unless it was coded with FTT. As some foreigners in the past, beat the system. by transferring money from one of their banks in Thailand to their other Thai bank. They just kept moving the same 65,000 baht around in a loop, making it looked like they were receiving it every month as new money. 

[onthedarkside]

Several off-topic and flame posts have been removed along with replies.

 

Please stay on topic and avoid throwing insults at fellow forum members.

 

 

[KannikaP]

On 9/24/2021 at 2:07 AM, treetops said:

Have you opened a Wise Borderless account at any point?

Yes, had one for a couple of years. It is very useful to be able to convert GBP to THB a few times a month when the rate looks good, and then one day before you need it in your Bkk Bank, you send THB to THB, it's already been converted. Costs Bht 32 to send it.

[4MyEgo]

23 hours ago, 86Tiger said:

 

 

Welcome to the forum.  So sorry it took a problem with bank to get you to register and join us.

 

 

This "problem" emerged at least 2 years back.  Wise provided us a solution.  To my knowledge you would be first since having solution to have the problem reoccur.

 

Will be following closely to see if others are seeing same.

I am with SCB and every year I transfer a lump sum 3 months before my extension is due, and I wasn't aware of any code or whatever to prove where the money came from, so being curious, I just opened up the pages on my passbook and the only code each time I transferred the lump sums of money annually in the passbook all show P1.

 

There is nothing saying anything like FTT or international transfer so how come it's different for me ?

 

I do select Funds for long term stay in Thailand as well.

 

Just curious and mine is a marriage extension so it has to be checked at immigration and forwarded to their divisional head quarters for approval.

[hotandsticky]

5 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

I am with SCB and every year I transfer a lump sum 3 months before my extension is due, and I wasn't aware of any code or whatever to prove where the money came from, so being curious, I just opened up the pages on my passbook and the only code each time I transferred the lump sums of money annually in the passbook all show P1.

 

There is nothing saying anything like FTT or international transfer

so how come it's different for me ?

 

I do select Funds for long term stay in Thailand as well.

 

Just curious and mine is a marriage extension so it has to be checked at immigration and forwarded to their divisional head quarters for approval.

 

 

This thread is about monthly transfers  -  you are not affected.

 

 

Your money in the bank is covered by a bank letter.

[nickmondo]

change from Bkk bank to Krungsri

I have never had a problem at Immigration

[DPKANKAN]

Had an issue with my renewal this year. 3 incoming transfers went via Bangkok bank not direct to my Kasikorn account. After the issue came up at renewal, as I was unaware of it, and it turned out to be when I sent over 100,000 baht in those months!!

I took it up with twise in a chat or message session and they assured me in the future it will only come direct to my Kasikorn account and it has.

I also get a signed letter from one of Kasikorns international branches, confirming each monthly income was received from my UK bank and the amount!!

[Colabamumbai]

Wise uses 3 Thai banks, the money crosses no borders. It comes from their Thai Banks, as stated now if you click for visa purposes, should show as FTT. 

[4MyEgo]

17 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

This thread is about monthly transfers  -  you are not affected.

 

 

Your money in the bank is covered by a bank letter.

Ok, got it, thanks for explaining that, makes sense.