Firebrand Chuwit says GI’s in Vietnam war left "legacy of sex culture" in Thailand

[Gsxrnz]

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

....and there's me thinking it must come before shelter ....555

If we could get in the TARDIS and head back 40,000 years and ask the first Neanderthal we met if he had to choose between a cave or a woman, what would he choose - It'd be at best a toss-up as to what the answer might be, especially if it wasn't snowing at the time.

[Gsxrnz]

3 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

The other must be beer then ????

If I could, I'd give you a 9.9 for that comment!! Australian by any chance?

[Thunglom]

6 hours ago, jaltsc said:

"But Thailand had a big sex industry long before the GI's and foreigners ever set foot in the country..."

 

And way before then. It has always been a matter of supply and demand. Eve had something Adam wanted and he was willing to give something in return (Rumor has it that he would take care of her sick water buffalo). If there is no demand, then the supply of a product or service disappears. What Chuwit is talking about is nothing more than what particular form that service takes.

is that a justification?

[flexomike]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

I am a Vietnam Vet and I was here on R&R from Vietnam in 1967. It was a dam good R&R but the girls were not slaves to us by any means, they were more like tour guides with benefits. When you paid your 100baht the girl was with you for 24hr's. After that you could get a new girl for 100 baht but that cause many girl fights and I seen a few, not nice. I kept the same girl for 7 days and we had a great time. I truly loved Thailand then and now. 

The good old days, I was stationed in Bangkok from 68-70, probably the best two years of my life

[Thunglom]

Slavery existed before the British and Americans cashed in on it, but it doesn't make it forgivable any more than the exploitation of Thai women by the US armed forces. It does however illustrate a pattern

[clivebaxter]

20 minutes ago, charmonman said:

You expect it because it’s true.

So how do you know it's the mythical 90%? it's just a number somebody once put on the internet which keeps being repeated

[vandeventer]

13 minutes ago, flexomike said:

The good old days, I was stationed in Bangkok from 68-70, probably the best two years of my life

Lucky You! I was all over the place but my home base was near Phu Cat Vietnam.

[bougnat]

To restore the historical truth, the Vietnam war was a blessing for the economic takeoff of Thailand. It has passed a million G I who came to rest in Thailand. A rain of bombs fell on Vietnam from 62 to 75 and a rain of dollars on Thailand at the same time. And it was not the GIs who exported the sex business. It is an integral part of Thai culture. It would be time to assume, the mia-noy and the purchase of the bride by the dowry, still in force today.

[Isaan sailor]

4 hours ago, ftpjtm said:

And a good portion of the farang clients treated the girls better than the locals. Some actually marrying them as a real wife, not a mia noi. All while turning a blind eye to their locally socially unacceptable "dark skin".

Guilty as charged, sir.  Although I came here much later.  And Isaan wife never worked in that capacity.

[raccos21]

Those days are over.

[Golden Triangle]

38 minutes ago, Gsxrnz said:

If I could, I'd give you a 9.9 for that comment!! Australian by any chance?

British old boy, British ????

[lopburi3]

21 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

Slavery existed before the British and Americans cashed in on it, but it doesn't make it forgivable any more than the exploitation of Thai women by the US armed forces. It does however illustrate a pattern

Almost all the women involved with US forces chose to do so after being deserted by Thai husbands and family and used this to support themselves, their children and often family that had deserted them.  And in many cases these relationships became long term.  This was not part of the Thai brothels' system.

[sead]

Thailand didnt have mia nois or prostitutes before thise damn farangs entered this country.. 

Sigh.......... 

[ChipButty]

3 minutes ago, sead said:

Thailand didnt have mia nois or prostitutes before thise damn farangs entered this country.. 

Sigh.......... 

Mia noi's are part of the Thai culture

[brianthainess]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

These vast emporia to sex were known only by numbers like 44, 55, 66, or 99.

I've always wondered what numbers are, thanks for pointing it out.  

[IAMHERE]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Meanwhile a Japanese style of massage based on the Onsen (hot springs or hot bath) was taking hold. Women in white robes would massage customers in hot tubs but would not join their male clients. This was one of the forerunners of the Ap-Op-Nuat industry.

You'd of thought the Japanese army would of brought that style of sex with them when they were here. American GI's weren't the first foreign army in large numbers to visit Thailand.

[ChipButty]

23 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

You'd of thought the Japanese army would of brought that style of sex with them when they were here. American GI's weren't the first foreign army in large numbers to visit Thailand.

Didn't the Japanese export Thai women to service the army?

[Fortean1]

I served in Vietnam with the Hq and Hqs Company of the 1st Aviation Brigade.  At Long Binh one of the gates was the transfer point for prostitutes entering and leaving.  It was called the Meat Market. At least 2,000 ladies of the night dressed in all forms of finery, even a few with parasols.  The French left many French Vietnamese men and women from their long stay in IndoChina.  I did an 18 month tour in the Signals Section.  Landline and radio teletype, crypto and codebooks, and preparing the SOI booklets used by our pilots.  In 1971, 2,500 helicopters and light aircraft.

 

Then a one year tour in Thailand that began in 1/73, working the communications center at Camp Samae San, which is next to U-Tapao Air Base; then upcountry to a microwave relay site called Phu Mu, located about 20 miles SW of Mukdahan.  Our links went throughout NE Thailand and one site in Savannakhet, Laos which was called Site Texas.

 

That brothel with numbers was actually girls wearing red numbered tags.  They sat on bleachers behind a large glass window.  You chose your girl and off you went.

 

Later I met my future wife who worked selling popcorn at a movie theater.  We've been married 48 years, have five adult children, and 12 g/children.  My wife's father came from China prior to WW 2.  He had two wives, one from China and one Thai.  They begat 15 children, and my wife is the youngest.  She is 75 and I am 72.  We moved to Thailand in 2008.  She is a great mother and wife. She liked to sew clothes, make quilts, and crochet.  Since her moderate stroke in 2017, she has given up those pursuits.

 

Our adult children have done well.  Our youngest son is a Lt. Colonel, USAF, and stationed in Milan, Italy with the F-35 and F-16 programs.  Our youngest daughter is a doctor in Tucson, Arizona.  We lived in Arizona for 25 years prior to coming to Thailand.

 

Terry

( a few miles south of Hua Hin )

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[2009]

8 hours ago, bigupandchill said:

but 90% of the sex industry is for Thais

 

Not to mention it is the world's oldest profession.

 

 

 

But no, it was the pesky Americans poisoning local innocence. Where does such a concept come from?

 

 

 

Honestly in general, THEY see us coming a mile away. Most of us farangs were born yesterday here; naive and soft. We came down the Mekong in a Banana Boat; dumb and stupid.

 

 

 

White knights in shining armour being slaughtered like lambs and dunked in rotting fish water by some hillbilly's wife before everyone in the extended family tries to see if they can fit their entire forearms up our backsides to extract as much as they can.

Edited October 22, 2021 by 2009

[seedy]

Chuwit the Idiot if he thinks what he posted is true.

Prostitution in LOS started in the 60's - what is wrong with this picture

[StayinThailand2much]

That's why he ran for years a number of brothels that mostly catered to Thai johns...

 

There are at least three different segments of prostitution in Thailand:

1. the local men's segment in all parts of Thailand, probably existing for centuries, 

2. the brothels and massage parlours in the south (Songkhla, Narathiwat provinces), mostly catering to Malaysian and Singaporean customers, existing since Malaysian men have travelled to Thailand's southern provinces, and

3. the relatively recent (Vietnam War), and, probably, by far smallest segment, i.e. a-go-go and beer bars.

Edited October 22, 2021 by StayinThailand2much

[ChipButty]

3 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

That's why he ran for years a number of brothels that mostly catered to Thai johns...

 

There are at least three different segments of prostitution in Thailand:

1. the local men's segment, probably existing for centuries, 

2. the brothels and massage parlours in the South (Songkhla, Narathiwat provinces), mostly catering to Malaysian and Singaporean customers, existing since Malaysians have tracvelled to Thailand's southern provinces, and

3. the relatively recent (Vietnam War), and, probably, smallest segment, i.e. a-go-go and beer bars.

People should visit Sadao right on the boarder the whole town is one big brothel 

[StayinThailand2much]

5 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

People should visit Sadao right on the boarder the whole town is one big brothel 

Or Sungai Golok, not to mention Hat Yai. Anyone there, asked 'what Hat Yai is famous for', will just snicker, then say: "Garee!"

[2009]

13 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Or Sungai Golok, not to mention Hat Yai. Anyone there, asked 'what Hat Yai is famous for', will just snicker, then say: "Garee!"

I think it's "curry" mate. Lol.

 

But thanks for the tip, why didn't I think of living in Hat Yai?

[Chad3000]

Point to note how rabidly anti communist the country was.

 

Funny dat

[MarcelV]

40 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

People should visit Sadao right on the boarder the whole town is one big brothel 

Not the town of Sadao.

It's the village of Dannok that used to draw cross-border tourists.

[MarcelV]

20 minutes ago, 2009 said:

I think it's "curry" mate. Lol.

 

But thanks for the tip, why didn't I think of living in Hat Yai?

There's much more to HY. In fact, there is hardly any nightlife left, even before Covid. All of it already moved down to Dannok (Sadao).

[BangkokReady]

50 minutes ago, 2009 said:

Honestly in general, THEY see us coming a mile away. Most of us farangs were born yesterday here; naive and soft. We came down the Mekong in a Banana Boat; dumb and stupid.

Very true.

 

Our Western notions of taking people at their word, assuming people won't do something incredibly stupid and blatantly doomed to failure based solely on what they want in the moment, respecting the law, worrying about what people think of us, being generally honest, treating others as we wish to be treated, being governed by an inner conscience rather than an outer face saving need, doing the "right" thing, not wanting to be perceived as dishonest and double-crossing, and so on, really put us at a disadvantage in SEA.

 

It's so comical, and not a little pathetic, when you get the ignorant "noble savage" do-gooders who come to somewhere like Thailand and express pity over what they perceive as the "evil White man" taking advantage of the poor down trodden locals.

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, Fortean1 said:

Terry

( a few miles south of Hua Hin )

Very interesting, thanks for writing.

 

It's amazing how many people probably have a reasonably interesting biography inside them, waiting to be written down.  Although, as time goes on, I do wonder what the children of today could write about.

[2009]

3 hours ago, Thunglom said:

Slavery existed before the British and Americans cashed in on it, but it doesn't make it forgivable any more than the exploitation of Thai women by the US armed forces. It does however illustrate a pattern

What did US armed forces do to Thai women?