geisha Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 French BFM TV has just announced a new drug from Merck to treat Covid. It’s an anti viral that has to be taken as soon as Covid is confirmed positive. France has just ordered a starting amount deal and it’s promised for this December. This is fantastic news , look it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I imagine that it helped 3 million people ? It was destined for Thailand. "MFA BLOCKS POLAND’S MODERNA DONATION TO THAI HOSPITAL" https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2021/10/25/mfa-blocks-polands-moderna-donation-to-thai-hospital/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedomnow Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: So you fall for the fake news stories about Covid on YT? Perhaps you're a covid denier? Yes, I'm a covid denier who is double vaxxed...makes sense doesn't it ? "There is no covid", so let's get double vaxxed asap...your entire logic is nonsensical drivel. 7 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: This boggles my mind. You'll ignore the advice of doctors and scientists, How do you know what I ignore or deny ? I look at a balance of news both mainstream and independent research. I do not exclude one for the other. Your article lead would suggest that governments the world over act in the interest of everyone, and share objective irrefutable facts - but in fact, they just usually act in the interest of the ruling elite/status quo and give lip service to the rest ...and that undoubtably does include - and I hate to use this term - "controlling the narrative". Anyway, back to enjoyment vs wasting my time on nonsensical jibber jabberers. Edited October 27, 2021 by freedomnow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Have all the restrictions worked ? They may have partially worked , but there have still been millions of deaths and many more infections . Yes, they may have decreased the amount of infections , but they haven't completely worked otherwise the World would be Covid free by now As you know, restrictions are not intended to eradicate Covid, just slow the spread so that hospitals are not overwhelmed. The exception is a total lockdown, where people are effectively locked into their homes, like in Wuhan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, freedomnow said: Yes, I'm a covid denier who is double vaxxed...makes sense doesn't it ? "There is no covid", so let's get double vaxxed asap...your entire logic is nonsensical drivel. How do you know what I ignore or deny ? I look at a balance of news both mainstream and independent research. I do not exclude one for the other. Your article lead would suggest that governments the world over act in the interest of everyone, and share objective irrefutable facts - but in fact, they just usually act in the interest of the ruling elite/status quo and give lip service to the rest ...and that undoubtably does include - and I hate to use this term - "controlling the narrative". Anyway, back to enjoyment vs wasting my time on nonsensical jibber jabberers. Again. Falling for conspiracy theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said: Restrictions work. Keeps people at home and the virus from spreading. That's pretty easy to understand. This is interesting read. https://wamu.org/story/21/10/12/breakthrough-infections-might-not-be-a-big-transmission-risk-heres-the-evidence/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 On 10/26/2021 at 6:52 PM, Will B Good said: Well in theory the more infectious the virus the less virulent it is likely to be....presumably based on the idea it is not killing its hosts so readily allowing it to spread more easily. Covid virulence would have to be much higher for this relationship to come into play. Ebola was initially killing around 50% of infected, so in the mid-70s isolated outbreaks would burn out. When mobility had greatly increased 15 years ago, even Ebola became a wider threat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 10 hours ago, TKDfella said: Not quite that simple though, is it? There is a lot of research going on with the SARS viruses. With the Covid 19 they have only just recently found that the lipidation process involving host cell and Covid virus protein spikes could, at least partly, be responsible for mutations. Time limits on other reactions are also under research, so we are learning more. Sounds interesting. Please post a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 9 hours ago, eWarrior said: Okay, there’s some misconception here. You need to think about the Covid infection as the first step in a process: you’re infected and start shedding virus that is intended to infect as many people as possible. This is why the asymptomatic disease has been such a pain. only AFTER the infectious stage has taken place, will the serious disease start to take place. Covid is not like Ebola which infects in the serious disease stage. Covid infects successfully BEFORE you are very sick. If Covid had thoughts, they’d frankly wouldn’t care what happens to you when you are in the hospital - work’s already been long done by then. the medical approval communities (in the US, FDA and CDC) are making a mistake in looking at whether vaccines are preventing serious illness and death. We should primarily be looking at how effective vaccines are in preventing INFECTION of a vaccinated individual. If you stop infection, you stop everything else: you are not sick, you do not infect other people, and you don’t end up in the hospital. And only as an important secondary goal, should we be looking at how successful the vaccines are in reducing the impact of breakthrough infections. Yes, this is the goal of public health, to stop an epidemic. Of course, to convince people to get vaccinated, they have to be told that a vaccine will prevent hospitalization in 90+% of cases. So what we usually hear is the 90% statistic. Anyway, the clinical trials have the endpoint of determining whether the vaccine works for individuals. Vaccines other than mRNA may only prevent infection in 50 or 30% of cases compared to around 70% for mRNA vaccines, but this data is all probably from before the advent of Delta. Breakthrough infections are a function of the vaccine but also the vaccinated person. People who have particularly weak immune systems due to immune suppression, age, etc, can become variant factories with a prolonged Covid infection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 2 hours ago, geisha said: French BFM TV has just announced a new drug from Merck to treat Covid. It’s an anti viral that has to be taken as soon as Covid is confirmed positive. France has just ordered a starting amount deal and it’s promised for this December. This is fantastic news , look it up. Thailand is supposed to be ordering molnupiravir as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Cipher Posted October 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2021 10 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: You'll need to post a credible link proving restrictions don't work. Credible links only or it will be removed. I never said that restrictions don't work. I absolutely do believe they work. I just think that broad lockdown level restrictions in particular are (i) unnecessary and (ii) actually not in the best long term interest of societies, because I'm starting with very different premises, and evaluating at a very different scale than many of you are. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedomnow Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: Again. Falling for conspiracy theories. Haha, yes mate anthing you say. Which ones would they be exactly ? Just at trolling point now aren't you ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: Restrictions work. Keeps people at home and the virus from spreading. That's pretty easy to understand. Sure, it has an economic impact. But so does all the deaths and hospitalizations that come with doing nothing. Many more would have died without the Restrictions. No easy answers here. Just do one thing or the other . Complete lockdown or complete open up (not even closing down in the first place ) , absolutely no point in being closed for 18 months and then opening up with so few vaccinations . Myself speaking as a person who has been in Thailand for the last 18 months with many /everything closed and now they are opening everything up again and just tonight the Chiang Mai gate market has been closed due to a large amount of infections , which hasn't seemed to have made the news 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Just do one thing or the other . Complete lockdown or complete open up (not even closing down in the first place ) , absolutely no point in being closed for 18 months and then opening up with so few vaccinations . Myself speaking as a person who has been in Thailand for the last 18 months with many /everything closed and now they are opening everything up again and just tonight the Chiang Mai gate market has been closed due to a large amount of infections , which hasn't seemed to have made the news I think blanket statements on lockdowns aren't right. There are huge differences. Thailand screwed up, big time. So have other countries by opening up too soon. Look at the spikes in the US right after restrictions were relaxed. In colorado, where I was in July, NO masks! Yahoo! Guess what? They're back...cases are on the rise again. We're in crazy times. Hard to figure out what's going on from day to day! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 13 hours ago, placnx said: Sounds interesting. Please post a link. Have sent info on your personal message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanaSomchai Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 On 10/26/2021 at 11:19 AM, snoop1130 said: All 16 Alpha Plus cases, including four Thais and 12 Cambodians, are workers in longan orchards in the two eastern provinces bordering Cambodia. It's always someone else's fault, ain't it? Thai logic 101. This country's done for until they change their mindset. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanaSomchai Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 15 hours ago, geisha said: French BFM TV has just announced a new drug from Merck to treat Covid. It’s an anti viral that has to be taken as soon as Covid is confirmed positive. France has just ordered a starting amount deal and it’s promised for this December. This is fantastic news , look it up. Is it called the EricZemmour drug? If so, I hope you're taking it in April 2022, myself I know I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keesters Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 On 10/26/2021 at 9:49 PM, Danderman123 said: You are missing the point: there are people reading this forum who aren’t getting the jab because they believe that Covid isn’t a big deal. Posts like yours only reinforce their crazy beliefs. My opinion is that fully vaccinated people don’t have to live in fear, but should wear face masks where required. And posts like yours saying they have crazy beliefs only adds fuel to the division between peoples. Let people have their opinion and stop insulting them. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Keesters said: And posts like yours saying they have crazy beliefs only adds fuel to the division between peoples. Let people have their opinion and stop insulting them. You don't get it. There is an army of nut jobs posting misinformation online about Covid-19. In many cases, they know what they post is untrue, so their opinion doesn't matter. Much of the misinformation is generated in Russia, where they want to see the West burn from the pandemic. Misinformation can kill in an epidemic. Unless you are pro-death, you should condemn misinformation about Covid. Edited October 29, 2021 by Danderman123 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeffr2 Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, Keesters said: And posts like yours saying they have crazy beliefs only adds fuel to the division between peoples. Let people have their opinion and stop insulting them. Unfortunately, while in the midst of a global pandemic, those with incorrect opinions are impacting the welfare of others. Sorry, but time to man up and get the jab. The majority of us have and want to get back to "normal". The unvaccinated are our biggest impediment, and most of them are relying on misinformation for their opinions. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post johng Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 7 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: those with incorrect opinions Incorrect opinions ?? straight out of 1984 ???? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeffr2 Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, johng said: Incorrect opinions ?? straight out of 1984 ???? Straight out of 2021. The era of misinformation. ???? https://www.vox.com/recode/2021/7/15/22578924/surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-misinformation-covid-vaccine-social-media-public-health-threat The surgeon general wants Facebook to do more to stop Covid-19 lies US Surgeon General Vivek Murthy says that misinformation — much of it on tech platforms — is a public health threat that has cost people’s lives and prolonged the Covid-19 pandemic. “Today, we live in a world where misinformation poses an imminent and insidious threat to our nation’s health,” Murthy said in a press conference, adding that “modern technology companies” have allowed misinformation and disinformation to spread across their platforms “with little accountability.” 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kadilo Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 24 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: You don't get it. There is an army of nut jobs posting misinformation online about Covid-19. In many cases, they know what they post is untrue, so their opinion doesn't matter. Much of the misinformation is generated in Russia, where they want to see the West burn from the pandemic. Misinformation can kill in an epidemic. Unless you are pro-death, you should condemn misinformation about Covid. If you believe people are posting misinformation on this forum then report the posts and the relevant people will deal with them and have them removed. Otherwise let people have their opinions and post their views, which they are perfectly entitled to, same as you. Far too many controlling types on the net these days who cannot stand anyone who has an opposing view to them. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Keesters said: Any opinion is as good as anybody else's. Facts however are a different matter. If you've been vaccinated what's your problem with those who haven't. You can catch and spread just as easily. Opinions are fine. But in this instance, when they have an impact on the lives of others, then they need to be based on facts. Not something they've been reading on social media or dodgy websites. Too much is at stake now. So no, any opinion is not as good as anybody else's. We need to rely on facts and science. Not Opinions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeffr2 Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Kadilo said: If you believe people are posting misinformation on this forum then report the posts and the relevant people will deal with them and have them removed. Otherwise let people have their opinions and post their views, which they are perfectly entitled to, same as you. Far too many controlling types on the net these days who cannot stand anyone who has an opposing view to them. Agreed! Sadly, many members here back up their opinions with misinformation. Which does get reported. Far too many misinformation types on the net these days who can not stand anyone reporting the truth. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PoorSucker Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 https://wamu.org/story/21/10/12/breakthrough-infections-might-not-be-a-big-transmission-risk-heres-the-evidence/ 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 Vaccinated people are 90% less likely to be infected or spread the virus, compared with the unvaccinated. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted October 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2021 Some scientists are definitely on the take. It has been proven that some scientists were paid to provide pseudoscience from the tobacco industry and the coal industry. One had to sue Peabody coal for unpaid bills, Your point still stands though, there is no mass conspiracy among scientists to provide false research while simultaneously keeping quiet about it. The anti vaxers simply spread wacky conspiracies because they don't have real scientific evidence. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeffr2 Posted October 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Some scientists are definitely on the take. It has been proven that some scientists were paid to provide pseudoscience from the tobacco industry and the coal industry. One had to sue Peabody coal for unpaid bills, Your point still stands though, there is no mass conspiracy among scientists to provide false research while simultaneously keeping quiet about it. The anti vaxers simply spread wacky conspiracies because they don't have real scientific evidence. Some doctors are spreading misinformation for profit. They should lose their license. https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes Just 12 People Are Behind Most Vaccine Hoaxes On Social Media, Research Shows They include anti-vaccine activists, alternative health entrepreneurs and physicians. Some of them run multiple accounts across the different platforms. They often promote "natural health." Some even sell supplements and books. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TooMuchTime Posted October 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2021 42 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Some scientists are definitely on the take. It has been proven that some scientists were paid to provide pseudoscience from the tobacco industry and the coal industry. One had to sue Peabody coal for unpaid bills, Your point still stands though, there is no mass conspiracy among scientists to provide false research while simultaneously keeping quiet about it. The anti vaxers simply spread wacky conspiracies because they don't have real scientific evidence. This is how modern science and research works. Major companies hire studies to be done on their product to provide professional data showing their product is good with a seal of approval. Typically the research will not show anything majorly negative because then major companies will not want to hire those scientists/researchers. Show a negative image to a company? Get ready to be blacklisted and not receive funding from anyone. Good bye career unless you can find any remaining funding sources. Companies pay researchers to prove their product is good. The conclusion is set, they just need to find a way to make it look legit. Real research doesn't start with a conclusion. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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