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The first COVID-19 Delta Plus case found in Thailand is the AY.1 variant, which is different from the AY.4.2 strain currently spreading in the United Kingdom. The Thai AY.1 patient has fully recovered, said Director-General of the Medical Sciences Department Dr. Supakit Sirilak, at a news conference today (Tuesday).

 

He disclosed that the department found one Delta Plus (AY.1) case, in a man arriving from Ayutthaya province at a field hospital in Kamphaeng Phet province in September, and 18 Alpha Plus cases, also in September, of which two were among prisoners in Chiang Mai and 16 cases were in Chanthaburi and Trat provinces.

 

All 16 Alpha Plus cases, including four Thais and 12 Cambodians, are workers in longan orchards in the two eastern provinces bordering Cambodia.

 

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Well in theory the more infectious the virus the less virulent it is likely to be....presumably based on the idea it is not killing its hosts so readily allowing it to spread more easily.

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

bordering Cambodia.

Good  to see those  borders  secured am sure  all  Cambodians  have been vaccinated, which is  odd when the UK visitors amongst other  who  have ben vaccinated  need 1  night quarnatine ( aka  NO QUARANTINE) and two pcr  tests one before  arrival one after, yes  it  all makes  sense

21 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Well in theory the more infectious the virus the less virulent it is likely to be....presumably based on the idea it is not killing its hosts so readily allowing it to spread more easily.

not always sometimes more  virulent and  more  deadly

Be all we need for Thailand to open its borders more and then be chucked on a world red list for a new variant ! 

 

Gotta live with it and get on with life now

46 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Well in theory the more infectious the virus the less virulent it is likely to be....presumably based on the idea it is not killing its hosts so readily allowing it to spread more easily.

That's not always true but from what I've heard it's what generally happens so maybe this is sort of good news

 

I guess we now know why it's taking so long to come up with effective treatments for COVID as all the real Doctors are so busy on the wards with their patients ????

 

Hopefully one day they can get back to inventing new medicines in their spare time when there's less patients....

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1 hour ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

not always sometimes more  virulent and  more  deadly

But then the availability of hosts declines rapidly......that is why ebola has a limited spread?

.....and these are the mutated strains that they're telling us about. 

Who knows how many nasty hybrids have developed naturally - and their coming impact on the world. 

 

Appears that the most brilliant and diligent science can keep up with it. 

And with each combative development, the strains/variants become stronger and nastier. 

 

Our approach might be a bit naive.

20 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

But then the availability of hosts declines rapidly......that is why ebola has a limited spread?

Ebola isn't an airborne contagion, which is reflective of it's low degree of spread. 

Sounds like the Hazmat suits are back out. 

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I am not whatever a "Covid Denier" is, or you think is. 

 

Covid is real. The statistics are real. 

You want to talk about risk assessments? 

Which is riskier: riding a motorcycle here or living your life where SARS-CoV-2 might (or might not) infect you? 

 

If you want to be in total fear all the time and wear two masks even though you are vaccinated and a face shield and gloves, more power to you; just don't please force your obsessions on everyone else. 

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Johnson & Johnson single-shot vaccine showed strong and long-lasting protection in the real world. The largest real-world evidence study for a COVID-19 vaccine reported to date in the U.S. demonstrated stable vaccine effectiveness of 79 percent (CI, 77%-80%) for COVID-19-related infections and 81 percent (CI, 79%-84%) for COVID-19-related hospitalizations.

Probably referring to this pre-peer reviewed paper. Howver it is based on US veterans, so is not applicable across the entire population. It is well known now that older persons are less protected by vaccines than younger people. 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.13.21264966v1.full-text

4 minutes ago, Trujillo said:

I am not whatever a "Covid Denier" is, or you think is. 

 

Covid is real. The statistics are real. 

You want to talk about risk assessments? 

Which is riskier: riding a motorcycle here or living your life where SARS-CoV-2 might (or might not) infect you? 

 

If you want to be in total fear all the time and wear two masks even though you are vaccinated and a face shield and gloves, more power to you; just don't please force your obsessions on everyone else. 

You are missing the point: there are people reading this forum who aren’t getting the jab because they believe that Covid isn’t a big deal. Posts like yours only reinforce their crazy beliefs.

 

My opinion is that fully vaccinated people don’t have to live in fear, but should wear face masks where required.

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14 hours ago, DavisH said:

Probably referring to this pre-peer reviewed paper. Howver it is based on US veterans, so is not applicable across the entire population. It is well known now that older persons are less protected by vaccines than younger people. 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.13.21264966v1.full-text

This paper quotes a reduction in efficacy for J&J after 6 months to 53%.

2 hours ago, Will B Good said:

But then the availability of hosts declines rapidly......that is why ebola has a limited spread?

Not always

15 hours ago, brucec64 said:

Can't really get a citation of a fake story. Isn't that the definition of a fake story? But here is a citation that ties anti vaxxers to a lack of formal education https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-vaccination-rates-education-correlation-1.6063373

I'm not anti-vaxxer, sorry. Already double vaxxed.

I'm an anti-one narrative on this entire pandemic...anti-instant slapdown on reasonable alternative voices...

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You are missing the point: there are people reading this forum who aren’t getting the jab because they believe that Covid isn’t a big deal. Posts like yours only reinforce their crazy beliefs.

 

My opinion is that fully vaccinated people don’t have to live in fear, but should wear face masks where required.

I think you are missing the point.

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The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

Where are the hyperbolic subredits for those people? While COVID is definitely a more serious virus than influenza, one has to wonder why we did not shutdown the world every time a bad influenza season developed. Why were there no lockdowns? Why no vaccine mandates? It does make one wonder what "vested interests" are involved here.

 

At the beginning of the pandemic, we did not know what we were up against. Initial reactions could be understood. But now we know. We know that the virus hospitalizes and kills a certain group that is most vulnerable. Why are governments not using this information to develop strategies that are best suited to this understanding? Could it be "vested interests"? One has to wonder.

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16 minutes ago, timendres said:

I think you are missing the point.

Where are the hyperbolic subredits for those people? While COVID is definitely a more serious virus than influenza, one has to wonder why we did not shutdown the world every time a bad influenza season developed. Why were there no lockdowns? Why no vaccine mandates? It does make one wonder what "vested interests" are involved here.

 

At the beginning of the pandemic, we did not know what we were up against. Initial reactions could be understood. But now we know. We know that the virus hospitalizes and kills a certain group that is most vulnerable. Why are governments not using this information to develop strategies that are best suited to this understanding? Could it be "vested interests"? One has to wonder.

You are not keeping up with current events.

 

it was just 2 months ago that Covid overwhelmed the hospital system in Thailand. There were no beds for Covid patients, and people were dying in their homes. Even people suffering non-Covid illnesses could not be treated. No other communicable disease has the capability of jamming up hospitals systems like Covid.

 

So, yeah, if you just compare numbers, the 4 million who died in the last year or so represent only an order of magnitude more deaths than from the flu. But the other effects of Covid put it in a different class, and much more dangerous.

 

now, if you want to believe that governments around the world are independently using Covid as a power grab, that’s up to you. But that belief doesn’t help you understand severe epidemics.

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

You are not keeping up with current events.

 

it was just 2 months ago that Covid overwhelmed the hospital system in Thailand. There were no beds for Covid patients, and people were dying in their homes. Even people suffering non-Covid illnesses could not be treated. No other communicable disease has the capability of jamming up hospitals systems like Covid.

 

So, yeah, if you just compare numbers, the 4 million who died in the last year or so represent only an order of magnitude more deaths than from the flu. But the other effects of Covid put it in a different class, and much more dangerous.

 

now, if you want to believe that governments around the world are independently using Covid as a power grab, that’s up to you. But that belief doesn’t help you understand severe epidemics.

A perfectly valid point, and the exact reason I ask why governments seem to not be using the best strategy. If 85% of those who are "overwhelming hospitals" are of a specific demographic, and meanwhile the government is focusing its finite resources in other places, that does not seem very strategic. So, please, with your vast knowledge of "current events" and "severe epidemics", explain to me why the government is expending resources on vaccinating teenagers and adults in their 20's and 30's who are not overwhelming hospitals. Since they are still able to acquire the virus, and spread it, even if they are vaccinated, I will expect more than the "to save Grandma" excuse.

 

As for "So, yeah, if you just compare numbers, the 4 million who died in the last year or so represent only an order of magnitude more deaths than from the flu.", I believe this is why I specifically stated that COVID is definitely worse than influenza. Maybe my use of italics confused you.

 

And I never mentioned anything about "government power grabs". I specifically mentioned "vested interests". But I suppose that might be too vague of a concept.

3 minutes ago, timendres said:

A perfectly valid point, and the exact reason I ask why governments seem to not be using the best strategy. If 85% of those who are "overwhelming hospitals" are of a specific demographic, and meanwhile the government is focusing its finite resources in other places, that does not seem very strategic. So, please, with your vast knowledge of "current events" and "severe epidemics", explain to me why the government is expending resources on vaccinating teenagers and adults in their 20's and 30's who are not overwhelming hospitals. Since they are still able to acquire the virus, and spread it, even if they are vaccinated, I will expect more than the "to save Grandma" excuse.

 

As for "So, yeah, if you just compare numbers, the 4 million who died in the last year or so represent only an order of magnitude more deaths than from the flu.", I believe this is why I specifically stated that COVID is definitely worse than influenza. Maybe my use of italics confused you.

 

And I never mentioned anything about "government power grabs". I specifically mentioned "vested interests". But I suppose that might be too vague of a concept.

“Since they are still able to acquire the virus, and spread it, even if they are vaccinated, I will expect morethan the "to save Grandma" excuse.”

this is a lie by omission. Vaccination reduces the chances of infection by up to 90%, and thus stops the spread of the virus.

 

You are clearly trying to use anti-vaxx talking points here. Goodbye.

39 minutes ago, timendres said:

At the beginning of the pandemic, we did not know what we were up against. Initial reactions could be understood. But now we know. We know that the virus hospitalizes and kills a certain group that is most vulnerable. 

Yep. Now we know the most vulnerable are the unvaccinated. Maybe the best strategy is to lock them down until this is over.

 

Thanks for the idea.

41 minutes ago, timendres said:

While COVID is definitely a more serious virus than influenza, one has to wonder why we did not shutdown the world every time a bad influenza season developed. Why were there no lockdowns? Why no vaccine mandates? It does make one wonder what "vested interests" are involved here.

 

Because Covid is definitely a more serious virus than influenza.

 

Your internet friends have been sending you particularly lame talking points.

10 hours ago, Trujillo said:

Which is riskier: riding a motorcycle here or living your life where SARS-CoV-2 might (or might not) infect you? 

Well I have been doing the former for 8 or 9 x longer, so not really sure yet! Plus I went to the trouble of getting vaccinated for the latter!

11 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

I guess we now know why it's taking so long to come up with effective treatments for COVID as all the real Doctors are so busy on the wards with their patients ????

 

Hopefully one day they can get back to inventing new medicines in their spare time when there's less patients....

Maybe I am stating the obvious but medical doctors don’t invent medicines.  They would not have a clue how to go about it as it’s not what they are trained to do.  The PhD’s who invent medicines … well they are working under the whip of the big and small Pharma companies.  I suspect they are very busy right now.

16 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

All 16 Alpha Plus cases, including four Thais and 12 Cambodians, are workers in longan orchards in the two eastern provinces bordering Cambodia.

So were they vaccinated or not?

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I promised myself not to rile you guys up anymore, but just permit me this one.

 

As the word inevitably opens back up, the fearful basically have to either self-exclude, or engage in routine day to day interactions while in abject terror. I don't wish ill on anyone in particular, but gotta say, the schadenfreude is pretty sweet.

11 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

.....and these are the mutated strains that they're telling us about. 

Who knows how many nasty hybrids have developed naturally - and their coming impact on the world. 

 

Appears that the most brilliant and diligent science can keep up with it. 

And with each combative development, the strains/variants become stronger and nastier. 

 

Our approach might be a bit naive.

Not quite that simple though, is it? There is a lot of research going on with the SARS viruses. With the Covid 19 they have only just recently found that the lipidation process involving host cell and Covid virus protein spikes could, at least partly, be responsible for mutations. Time limits on other reactions are also under research, so we are learning more.