I was once far left, have since moved around the center. "Cancel culture", "woke", "social justice" is absurd. Utter hypocrisy. Correct pronouns. Correct holidays, monuments, sports team names. "Safe spaces".

 

Meanwhile, lack of good paying jobs. "PLEASE, WE'RE HIRING!", but for the same crappy wages. Ridiculous cost of living. Growing homeless encampments and drug addiction. What's "woke" doing about it? Telling the guy in the tent on Skid Row who's lost everything how tolerant and inclusive they are? I'm sure he appreciates it.

 

Most of it's been driven by social media. Do what's easiest and makes you feel good. Post about how you stand with whoever for your likes and subscribes. Be sure to toe the party line on Reddit, lest anything the least in deviation gets smacked down with downvotes. Meanwhile, nothing's changing nor improving.

Greta says it as it is .

Was about time somebody did .

Remember her speech at the UN ?

She was right . If nothing happens right now , only the usual ' declarations of intent ' , the price to pay for the catastrophic management of an existential crisis will be enormous .

The effects of the continuing climate change will accelerate every year , harvests will be destroyed , famine will become a mass phenomenon . Overpopulation and greed are the roots of too many problems . Ongoing destruction of the biosphere and ecosystems will regulate the problem of the overpopulation , but the damage will be done anyway .

 

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I thought it was for the sex.

I can't afford sex here, even though brothels are legal.

Reasonably priced sex brought me here, reasonably priced housing keeps me here.

Where else could I live in a 3 bedroom detached house in a nice quiet area for 9000bht/month?

With a much younger 'Trophy woman' for 13,000bht/month?

Youth are idealistic. Give them a decade or two and they'll grow out of it. 

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No.

As for her, IMO she's going to wake up one day and realised she's been used by adults, and she's going to be even more angry than she already is, if that's possible.

For such a young person, IMO she has as much anger in her as most accumulate after a long life- sad,.

I'm not buying your narrative.

I think suggesting Greta is a puppet is a vile right wing conspiracy theory transparently designed to suggest that people shouldn't listen to her. She's obviously very genuine and sincere.

 

I speak as someone who was not famous but still a political activist starting at age 13. Yes I later slipped from my idealism as often happens when people get older, but I wasn't anyone's puppet and I don't think Greta is either.

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm not buying your narrative.

I think.suggesting Greta is a puppet is a vile right wing conspiracy theory transparently designed to suggest that people shouldn't listen to her. She's obviously very genuine and sincere.

I speak as someone who was not famous but still a political activist starting at age 13. Yes I later slipped from my idealism as often happens when people get older, but I wasn't anyone's puppet and I don't think Greta is either.

Someone's paying the gang of armed security thugs that surround her wherever she goes.

But will agree that mentally ill people are usually very sincere, no matter how mistaken their beliefs.

 

Ever spoken to a Muslim Jihadi, flat earther, Jehovah's witness, Vegan?

All completely sincere!

 

6 minutes ago, malathione said:

Youth are idealistic. Give them a decade or two and they'll grow out of it. 

Yeah. Usually. But that isn't always a good thing.

Just now, Jingthing said:

I'm not buying your narrative.

I think.suggesting Greta is a puppet is a vile right wing conspiracy theory transparently designed to suggest that people shouldn't listen to her. She's obviously very genuine and sincere.

I speak as someone who was not famous but still a political activist starting at age 13. Yes I later slipped from my idealism as often happens when people get older, but I wasn't anyone's puppet and I don't think Greta is either.

We'll just have to disagree then.

I'm not saying she isn't sincere or genuine, but that does not mean she isn't being used. Most of us get used at some stage in our lives. I certainly have been, especially when young, because I didn't know any better and I trusted older people.

 

I'm hardly right wing as I'm a socialist, but it doesn't mean I believe all the left wing BS either. I try to take things on the evidence, and the evidence I see is that she is speaking for others. Like that silly sailing to the US on a boat, but the crew had to fly- just made her look hypocritical IMO.

https://apnews.com/article/be12be49011743daaa3646edb0de0b61

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah. Usually. But that isn't always a good thing.

Certainly not a good thing but idealism has to be tempered with realism and practicality. Else it achieves nothing except short term noise.

16 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Greta says it as it is .

Was about time somebody did .

Remember her speech at the UN ?

She was right . If nothing happens right now , only the usual ' declarations of intent ' , the price to pay for the catastrophic management of an existential crisis will be enormous .

The effects of the continuing climate change will accelerate every year , harvests will be destroyed , famine will become a mass phenomenon . Overpopulation and greed are the roots of too many problems . Ongoing destruction of the biosphere and ecosystems will regulate the problem of the overpopulation , but the damage will be done anyway .

 

Have you considered that humans have exceeded their welcome and the planet is taking steps to either remove us or reduce us to numbers that won't destroy the environment. Planet Earth works on a feed back system, and so far humans have been very much out of synch with the environment.

If we destroyed our environment to the extent that it's now destroying us, we only have ourselves to blame.

IMO it's too late for us to change it, even if our "leaders" wanted to, and I can't see any evidence that they do. Far as I'm concerned it was over for humanity about the time we passed the 3 billion mark.

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Have you considered that humans have exceeded their welcome and the planet is taking steps to either remove us or reduce us to numbers that won't destroy the environment. 

Not for one second, the idea of 'Gaia' is on the same level as the idea of a flat earth or alien abduction.

7 minutes ago, malathione said:

Certainly not a good thing but idealism has to be tempered with realism and practicality. Else it achieves nothing except short term noise.

IMO it's all about noise. I see little to nothing about substance.

The things that have been done, like solar, wind, electric cars all made some people very rich. Plenty of things might work well but don't make profit and not done.

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Have you considered that humans have exceeded their welcome and the planet is taking steps to either remove us or reduce us to numbers that won't destroy the environment. Planet Earth works on a feed back system, and so far humans have been very much out of synch with the environment.

If we destroyed our environment to the extent that it's now destroying us, we only have ourselves to blame.

IMO it's too late for us to change it, even if our "leaders" wanted to, and I can't see any evidence that they do. Far as I'm concerned it was over for humanity about the time we passed the 3 billion mark.

Wow , you really got it there !

You took the words right out of my mouth .

I am very happy to see that there are others realizing what happens and what needs to be done .

Thank you .

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Far as I'm concerned it was over for humanity about the time we passed the 3 billion mark.

Late '60's then?

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Not for one second, the idea of 'Gaia' is on the same level as the idea of a flat earth or alien abduction.

Perhaps you would believe NASA then? Says the same as me but avoids the term Gaia.

 

https://climate.nasa.gov/nasa_science/science/

 

How about Penn State University?

 

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth103/node/668

 

 

41 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Greta says it as it is .

Was about time somebody did .

Remember her speech at the UN ?

She was right . If nothing happens right now , only the usual ' declarations of intent ' , the price to pay for the catastrophic management of an existential crisis will be enormous .

The effects of the continuing climate change will accelerate every year , harvests will be destroyed , famine will become a mass phenomenon . Overpopulation and greed are the roots of too many problems . Ongoing destruction of the biosphere and ecosystems will regulate the problem of the overpopulation , but the damage will be done anyway .

 

 

I see that you chose your username well.

 

33 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Not for one second, the idea of 'Gaia' is on the same level as the idea of a flat earth or alien abduction.

How do you know this ?

Did you ever think of what our life on this planet is good for ?

Billions of Galaxies in Universe . Each has billions of solar systems , most solar systems have planets ... many planets will have their own biospheres with dominant species etc ...

What is all that good for ?

It is good for that some of those dominant species evolve to a point where they are able to create life .

To be able to do this , they first need to have a functional biosphere to live in , and they need to keep that functional in order to survive .

We are just destroying ours , so will probably never become a member of that ' club ' . Pity , by destroying what we ultimately need to survive , we , as a species , are bound for extinction .

If you see our planet as a living thing that could create new lifeforms out of self balancing and regulating ecosystems , the human species are about the same as what ticks are for a dog . Sorry for that but true ...

There are more things in Universe than you can imagine .

 

PS : Salerno is famed for giving ' laughing emojis ' for everything he does not understand ...

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Complaining without solutions is just complaining.

now there is something you know about.. champion, sure. 

57 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

The effects of the continuing climate change will accelerate every year , harvests will be destroyed , famine will become a mass phenomenon .

They were predicting that in the 1970's, 50 years later and no signs of it happening.

In actual fact food production is increasing year on year with no indication of any change.

Intensive farming methods are getting better, factory farming is still in it's infancy.

My prediction is there will always be plenty of food available to people with the ability to earn money.

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

no signs of it happening.

A joke ?

 

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

My prediction is there will always be plenty of food available to people with the ability to earn money.

You are an optimist . That is good , but becoming an realist is even better ...

Nothing is for ' always ' or forever , as everything is limited in time .

57 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I speak as someone who was not famous but still a political activist starting at age 13.

I am asking sincerely, did it benefit anyone? Did you ever change anyone's mind or have any positive effect - - or in retrospect, was it not much more than a waste of time and energy? 

 

I am asking because I have a brother who did gain some notoriety being somewhat an activist, but I don't see that he gained anything though he did make a living and more eventually and gained notoriety... I went the opposite way... kept quiet and did my own thing. 

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

alien abduction.

I met a guy once who had a pretty credible story of being abducted and taken up to a spaceship... He was strapped down and examined - which is what I think we would do if we found another species on an alien planet... we even do it here... we put ants in an ant farm, we don't say - take me to your leader... 

 

he was honest enough to admit that he was very stoned at the time and dove his car off the road at night in the middle of the desert. 

20 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

We are just destroying ours , so will probably never become a member of that ' club ' . Pity , by destroying what we ultimately need to survive , we , as a species , are bound for extinction .

I see we are singing from the same songbook.

Meanwhile most people on the planet will continue to reproduce in excess of replacement, which is what, IMO, is the cause of the problem in the first place.

A tiny % of privileged people that live in rich countries will complain, but not do much beyond that.

An even tinier % of people will become incredibly rich, selling monorails to Springfield.

21 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

They were predicting that in the 1970's, 50 years later and no signs of it happening.

In actual fact food production is increasing year on year with no indication of any change.

Intensive farming methods are getting better, factory farming is still in it's infancy.

My prediction is there will always be plenty of food available to people with the ability to earn money.

Theoretically we could survive on Soylent Green, but would any of us want to live in that world?

 

Otherwise, genetically modified mould might suffice, or insects, or seaweed. But when the population reaches 60 billion, is that a good thing?

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Theoretically we could survive on Soylent Green, but would any of us want to live in that world?

Probably, it would depend on my access to entertainment, sex, alcohol and drugs.

25 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Intensive farming methods are getting better, factory farming is still in it's infancy.

If we resort to factory farming animals just to survive, I think we don't deserve to. While it may be in it's infancy, it's vile and cruel, and should be banned.

Let everyone eat soy, instead.

On 11/7/2021 at 7:34 AM, BritManToo said:

Sitting at home drinking and watching TV is very cheap.

but it does get boring and rob the few remaining decent years I may have left [right or center as this thread is going- though I am not political I know a good engrossing reality show when I see one] 

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If we resort to factory farming animals just to survive, I think we don't deserve to. While it may be in it's infancy, it's vile and cruel, and should be banned.

Let everyone eat soy, instead.

I was actually thinking of factory farming fruit and veg.

The Mer De Plastico Spanish TV series was a perfect example.

I've also seen similar places in the jungle of Chiang Mai, huge plastic greenhouses producing huge amounts of Bell peppers.

 

This is how your tomatoes are grown ...........

29 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

They were predicting that in the 1970's, 50 years later and no signs of it happening.

In actual fact food production is increasing year on year with no indication of any change.

Intensive farming methods are getting better, factory farming is still in it's infancy.

My prediction is there will always be plenty of food available to people with the ability to earn money.

Did you ever watch the movie Brazil? Their food was really yummy, wasn't it?