Floods, drought, politics and post covid standard of living - what about the authorities pledges at COP 26?

Bangkok...gone....capital Korat.....start buying there.

60 degrees is now common in the   middle east and drought so no/little  crops can be grown ,your gonna fry ,at 60 to 70 degrees

Extreme weather events are the pretty obvious ones. Periods of extreme heat, extreme droughts and countless extreme floods every year will become the norm. Bangkok and a number of other low lying provinces will essentially become unlivable as the waters rise.

 

I suspect one of the least expected side-effects will be climate refugees coming from all points, and not just from within the country. Particularly those coming from Bangladesh and India, who will not be warmly welcomed, to put it mildly.

29 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Bangkok...gone....capital Korat.....start buying there.

That's possible but I'm not stopping riding my petrol guzzling big motorbike with no catalytic converter. ????

35 minutes ago, clokwise said:

Bangkok and a number of other low lying provinces will essentially become unlivable as the waters rise.

As will much or Florida?

I don't see much at all during my life, or my daughters (22 yrs old) or this century.

 

Still waiting for the ice caps to melt, about 8 yrs too late, aren't they ... ????

There will be no climate change in Thailand. The beloved and worldwide respected general will solve the problem next week.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

I don't see much at all during my life, or my daughters (22 yrs old) or this century.

 

Still waiting for the ice caps to melt, about 8 yrs too late, aren't they ... ????

the poles are suffering the most dramatic changes of all.

These changes ae most likely to impact quite quickly on the rest of us.

The problem with the poles is water - above 0 degrees it turns to liquid and then flows away - subsequent re-freezing doesn't place the ice lost, but the extra water in the oceans raises sea levels changes currents and climates and jet streams. Ice also forms dams - and these are wasting away too..

 

I think people have a belief that there will be some sudden event - the reality is is already happening and will accelerate exponentially - the problem at the moment is we can't admit to seeing the results because they aren't what we expected at depicted in movies and media...

1 hour ago, JustAnotherHun said:

There will be no climate change in Thailand.

The climate in Thailand has already changed, but there are those too busy whinging about the government to notice.

I don't think anything has changed or will change.

Fires, floods and storms have always happened and always will happen.

The sea levels won't change (in our or our children's lifetimes).

 

If there were a chance of imminent and sudden change the banks wouldn't still be lending 30 year mortgages on sea front properties, and world leaders wouldn't still be buying beachfront properties. The money says no change!

 

And even if there were changes it would be entirely natural and humanity would have no way of altering what will happen.

Edited November 12, 20214 yr by BritManToo

16 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The climate in Thailand has already changed, but there are those too busy whinging about the government to notice.

climate changes since climate exisits ????

18 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I don't think anything has changed or will change.

Fires, floods and storms have always happened and always will happen.

The sea levels won't change (in our or our children's lifetimes).

 

If there were a chance of imminent and sudden change the banks wouldn't still be lending 30 year mortgages on sea front properties, and world leaders wouldn't still be buying beachfront properties. The money says no change!

 

And even if there were changes it would be entirely natural and humanity would have no way of altering what will happen.

Simply, much ado about nothing. 

Yet, the whole climate change thing is terribly profitable - in one form or another - for numerous circles.

 

3 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

60 degrees is now common in the   middle east and drought so no/little  crops can be grown ,your gonna fry ,at 60 to 70 degrees

Where did it reach 60 degrees?

 

 

 

 

Edited November 12, 20214 yr by Moonlover

 

We rely on thunderstorms for the majority of rain during the growing season so it will always vary.

If anything we plant earlier but a lot of that has to do with modern techniques rather than seasonal change.

 

7 hours ago, BritManToo said:

 

I don't think anything has changed or will change.

Fires, floods and storms have always happened and always will happen.

The sea levels won't change (in our or our children's lifetimes).

 

If there were a chance of imminent and sudden change the banks wouldn't still be lending 30 year mortgages on sea front properties, and world leaders wouldn't still be buying beachfront properties. The money says no change!

 

2 basic mistakes. 

Firstly things have changed and it is the concentration and frequency that has changed.

Sealevels are changing already. but the second part is that people expect a sudden change which is incorrect the change is exponential.

7 hours ago, farmerjo said:

 

We rely on thunderstorms for the majority of rain during the growing season so it will always vary.

If anything we plant earlier but a lot of that has to do with modern techniques rather than seasonal change.

 

with the melting in the poles there is already a lot more water in the atmosphere. Sothunderstroms come more frequent around the tropics - the problem is if you get too much water crops and soil wash away and other crops can be flooded or waterlogged blown down and lost. There is also a problem of shifting seasons which change insecurity behaviour and subsequent pollination.

things are not just singular regional events they are interconnected and there is likely to be a domino effect - 

I vote we move all the people suffering climate change  flooding to the land we are told by climate protestors is being revealed by the melting ice caps.  Or would that confuse their argument ? 

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

I vote we move all the people suffering climate change  flooding to the land we are told by climate protestors is being revealed by the melting ice caps.  Or would that confuse their argument ? 

 

So you don't think it's being exposed? and presumably you don't know why?

 

As we all know, the overwhelming majority of research studies (97-99%) by experts in the field confirm man-made climate change and nowadays the overhwelming majority of the public agree. The small rump of deniers is unsurprisingly over-represented on these comments.

 

Just skimming through the comments it seems that one of the the key global issues and one that is very relevant to Thailand has not been mentioned yet - food security.

 

Being a major food producer and exporter Thailand is in a fortunate but also risky position as climate change affects food production and food security, but no where near as risky as certain nations who depend on food imports to survive and who lack the farmland to redeploy.

3 hours ago, Thunglom said:

2 basic mistakes. 

Firstly things have changed and it is the concentration and frequency that has changed.

Sealevels are changing already. but the second part is that people expect a sudden change which is incorrect the change is exponential.

So how come a bank will still issue a 30 year loan on a beachfront property?

11 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

climate changes since climate exisits ????

Make your mind up, you stated there would be no climate change.

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

So how come a bank will still issue a 30 year loan on a beachfront property?

It is in the small print, only property on stilts.

3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Make your mind up, you stated there would be no climate change.

There will be no anthropological climate change.

Anthropological is a hard word to spell, so most people just leave it out.

13 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

There will be no anthropological climate change.

Anthropological is a hard word to spell, so most people just leave it out.

Actually, the terminology is "anthropomorphic climate change" but "anthropomorphic" is an even rarer word than "anthropological", especially for people who are unfamiliar with the issues, which obviously includes the overwhelming majority of deniers.

 

That's why I call it "man made climate change", after all it has been largely men, acutally largely white men, responsible for the man made climate disasters that are already with us.

 

I've posted uncontestable evidence from NASA confirming man made climate change a couple of times on other threads in the last couple of weeks. I assume that even the vast majority of deniers would accept that NASA is not part part of a global conspiracy.

Edited November 13, 20214 yr by blackprince

16 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

There will be no anthropological climate change.

Anthropological is a hard word to spell, so most people just leave it out.

If I was younger I'd be concerned but after 25 Cop and 26 probably another 27+ I will  "just leave it out"  too. ????

5 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

If I was younger I'd be concerned but after 25 Cop and 26 probably another 27+ I will  "just leave it out"  too. ????

This is fairly a common response, but I'm sure you recognise this issue is a bit bigger than your own lifespan regardless of your age (or my own life too of course).

 

Changes to climate, both man-made and natural, generally happen over a longer timespan than human life. That's one reason why it's taken so long for the average joe to understand the issues. But now the overwhelming majority of average joes do understand enough of the issues.

35 minutes ago, blackprince said:

This is fairly a common response, but I'm sure you recognise this issue is a bit bigger than your own lifespan regardless of your age (or my own life too of course).

 

Changes to climate, both man-made and natural, generally happen over a longer timespan than human life. That's one reason why it's taken so long for the average joe to understand the issues. But now the overwhelming majority of average joes do understand enough of the issues.

When was the 1st Cop and what has been done. 

Still USA one of the biggest polluters and since what Cop has China and India have progressed there worse than ever. 

2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

When was the 1st Cop and what has been done. 

Still USA one of the biggest polluters and since what Cop has China and India have progressed there worse than ever. 

The USA is the biggest polluter, in every regard. 

Even when trying to disregard and convince otherwise.

13 hours ago, Thunglom said:

but the extra water in the oceans raises sea levels changes currents and climates

But only half of the water as the Artic ice is floating????