Sinovac not inferior: Anutin

[natway09]

The guy is a goose & can not lie straight in bed.

Why does he just not come out & tell the truth, after all Sinovac is not even made in his, the 

worlds greatest country?

[paul1804]

What a <deleted>!!!

[herfiehandbag]

His reputation on such matters is, umh, as full of holes as a Swiss cheese?

[Blumpie]

Yes, it actually has been scientifically proven to be inferior.  

[placeholder]

6 hours ago, itsari said:

I am sure you have way more insight in all  The fact remains the vaccines produced by Chinese companies have saved lives and been made available well before western companies.

What has a Chinese telecom company to do with vaccines?

What has trade secrets got to do with anything? 

You are married to a Chinese woman . So that makes you knowledgable about Chinese pharmaceutical companies?

I agree with most of what you wrote. But the reason Chinese vaccines were made available before other vaccines was that phase 3 clinical trials hadn't been done when these vaccines were released. The same goes for the vaccine from Russia. And oddly enough, despite this, Thailand purchased large quantities of this vaccine while delaying approval of the Pfizer vaccine for several months after its phase 3 clinical trials had been concluded and the vaccine approved for use in the USA, Canada, and the EU. Thailand didn't even attempt to purchase Astra-Zeneca's vaccine from outside the country even though it was much less expensive than Sinovac's vaccine. Hmmm....

[bradiston]

41 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I agree with most of what you wrote. But the reason Chinese vaccines were made available before other vaccines was that phase 3 clinical trials hadn't been done when these vaccines were released. The same goes for the vaccine from Russia. And oddly enough, despite this, Thailand purchased large quantities of this vaccine while delaying approval of the Pfizer vaccine for several months after its phase 3 clinical trials had been concluded and the vaccine approved for use in the USA, Canada, and the EU. Thailand didn't even attempt to purchase Astra-Zeneca's vaccine from outside the country even though it was much less expensive than Sinovac's vaccine. Hmmm....

Aren't you forgetting the X factor of SBS? And what a train wreck that turned into. Much of the Thai government's procurement policy was based around the assumption that Thailand would somehow be self sufficient, with 10 million doses a month. Of course, it all went embarrassingly wrong, and at that point, Anutin should have been fired. But no. They laid into Thanathorn instead for asking for details of the contract, threatening him with 112 etc etc. That's what is totally unforgivable. Not the Sinovac saga.

[Captain Monday]

11 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Have no idea what this above is supposed to mean for actual travelers???

 

Clear as mud!

 

From crew info I have heard to To go to a Geneva restaurant for example you need some kind of Swiss QR code. You can take your vaccine data/certificate/ EU certificate to a local Chemist/Pharmacy

Then the Pharmacy  can hook you up with the QR code. Or else you will be stuck in the hotel with room service or takeaway food,

[Ty Hareways]

15 hours ago, Saanim said:

Any similar "serious" comments on Thai forums by Thai people in UK about the fired UK health minister - what was his name? Afterwards, hasn't he been supposed for another good position, however, it's not going forward? 

Hi, are you Anutin commenting under a false name?

[Mentors65]

38 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

From crew info I have heard to To go to a Geneva restaurant for example you need some kind of Swiss QR code. You can take your vaccine data/certificate/ EU certificate to a local Chemist/Pharmacy

Then the Pharmacy  can hook you up with the QR code. Or else you will be stuck in the hotel with room service or takeaway food,

Yes, you need the Swiss Covid Zertifikat to enter Restaurants or Bars etc. As App or on paper.

Otherwise you have to sit outside the Bar in the cold.

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Mentors65

[Captain Monday]

9 minutes ago, Mentors65 said:

Yes, you need the Swiss Covid Zertifikat to enter Restaurants or Bars etc. As App or on paper.

Otherwise you have to sit outside the Bar in the cold.

 

How efficient. Papiers s'il vous plaît

[elgenon]

I know where his brown envelopes come from.

[Kenneth White]

Is the health minister here in Thailand a doctor? If not why is he the health minister?

[vVDB]

Sinovac, Sinopharm and Sputnik have not applied for authorization on the European and American markets. robust scientific studies are required.

scientific studies are still being analyzed in the USA and Europe and shortcomings have recently been reported without fundamentally changing the conclusions (fortunately)

Remember... Hungary refused the Sputniks it had ordered because they were not identical to the reference samples ...

Chile is vaccinated with Chinese vaccines, Delta has arrived and has done very badly ...

[Almer]

22 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

Not inferior in Thailands' view.....just rejected by the western world!

Is it not that the western world won’t acknowledge the Sino  vaccines because of where they originate?

[Karma80]

19 minutes ago, Almer said:

Is it not that the western world won’t acknowledge the Sino  vaccines because of where they originate?

Australia and several other counties are happy to recognise Sinovac for travel without approval for emergency use in their own country. After all, there are Chinese students that will need to come spend $$$ in universities..

And, the inconvenient reality that many citizens overseas have had Sinovac because there was no alternative. I don't think any country yet has the legal stomach to insist that a person undergoes a second round of vaccination with no science to back it up.

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by Karma80

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48 minutes ago, Almer said:

Is it not that the western world won’t acknowledge the Sino  vaccines because of where they originate?

Actually, I believe most do allow the Chinese vaccines to qualify travelers to enter their country including the United States. But it should be noted that WHO took a long time to approve  the vaccines because of the lack of documentation in respect to phase 2 and phase 3 clinical trials.

Edited November 15, 2021 by placeholder

[KhunLA]

He states it's OK, and yet, Thailand stopped using it.

 

Actually it's the only one I would use, as made the old fashion way, and not mRNA.

[Saanim]

6 hours ago, Kenneth White said:

Is the health minister here in Thailand a doctor? If not why is he the health minister?

As opposed to other countries where the health ministers are always doctors, aren't they?

For instance in UK, what education do they have (the present one and the one before him)? 

[crazykopite]

Says the guy who has no medical qualifications 

[Nickelbeer]

The same genius who claimed that "caucasians" were spreading Covid. A totally credible source.

[Nickelbeer]

And Laetril cures AIDS.

[Lingba]

Tell this idiot to shut up..he has no idea what he is talking about

[Hanuman2547]

Anutin Charnvirakul is nothing but another Thai blowhard politician.  He has no medical training at all unless he took a CPR/Standard First Aid course while in the US studying engineering at Hofstra University.  Therefore his stance on Sinovac is simply his non-medical opinion and should be taken as such.  

[FridgeMagnet1]

On 11/15/2021 at 6:26 AM, vVDB said:

Sinovac, Sinopharm and Sputnik have not applied for authorization on the European and American markets. robust scientific studies are required.

scientific studies are still being analyzed in the USA and Europe and shortcomings have recently been reported without fundamentally changing the conclusions (fortunately)

Remember... Hungary refused the Sputniks it had ordered because they were not identical to the reference samples ...

Chile is vaccinated with Chinese vaccines, Delta has arrived and has done very badly ...

SV, Sinopharm and Sputnik have all applied applied for authorisation in the EU

 

[FridgeMagnet1]

On 11/14/2021 at 8:01 PM, placeholder said:

And yet Thailand stopped buying Sinovac's vaccine. Did China tell the Thai Government to do that?

Don’t bring logic into this

[onthedarkside]

A post making unsourced and unsubstantiated claims re mRNA COVID vaccines has been removed.  If you're going to make such claims, you'd better back them up with supporting quotes from credible sources and weblinks to those sources.

 

[Marley01]

With comments like this, we all know now who’s palms were greased with Chinese payouts. This goose will be a lot richer.

rant over

[connda]

On 11/14/2021 at 8:51 AM, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul has said Sinovac is not inferior to other vaccines

But Thailand will not use it any more. 

What do you do after you paint yourself into a corner?

[jerrymahoney]

Cambodia’s Reopening Is Propelled by Vaccinations -- Updated Nov. 19, 2021,

 

(But )citing the rapid pace of inoculations and a vaccination rate of 88 percent, Prime Minister Hun Sen accelerated that plan and said that fully vaccinated tourists could arrive without quarantine, effective on Monday.

 

About 90 percent of Cambodia’s vaccines came from China, including more than nine million doses of Sinovac and nearly four million doses of Sinopharm.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/18/world/covid-vaccine-boosters-mandates

 

Edited November 20, 2021 by jerrymahoney

[Millcx]

On 11/14/2021 at 4:17 PM, bradiston said:

Aren't you forgetting the X factor of SBS? And what a train wreck that turned into. Much of the Thai government's procurement policy was based around the assumption that Thailand would somehow be self sufficient, with 10 million doses a month. Of course, it all went embarrassingly wrong, and at that point, Anutin should have been fired. But no. They laid into Thanathorn instead for asking for details of the contract, threatening him with 112 etc etc. That's what is totally unforgivable. Not the Sinovac saga.

It’s obvious that Anutin was making a lot of people a lot of money