SunsetT Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 11 hours ago, Yellowtail said: What are the reported figures and how do the call into question the official figures? Are the reported figures not official and coming from the same place? 2 conflicting sets of figures available yesterday: The 1st from NNT on Facebook. The 2nd showing double the number of cases is from the WHO on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/coronavirus_info?page_source=covid_vaccine_faxit&hoisted_module_type=covid_vaccine_development Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wombat Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 France had 100000.oo cases the other day. A dirty, unhygienic and under vaccinated country like Thailand is guaranteed to have the same numbers if not more if they ever tested and counted correctly 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Petey11 said: Daily totals reported are dropping but then they say many clusters happening and rising. Maybe there is a week's time lag from testing to entering the system? I suspect they are keeping the numbers low until after New Year, either through low testing numbers or deliberate manipulation. They want the numbers to support keeping the New Year period open for travel (I assume to throw a lifeline to domestic tourism) and then after that, they will have no choice but to let the true numbers be known. This will result in them re-introducing their favourite restrictions in early January, which of course will do little to stop the spread. Basically a replay of Songkran, shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D M G Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Back to the ZERO COVID STRATEGY 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomyami Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 It will rip first or second week in janurary, a 4 week trailing EU UK this cant be stopped testing and high number of cases with lower hosp adms trending else where Only problem can Thailand afford a lockdown again having come from an 8 month most of 21 and still on a high baht. Was hoping for a return end of jan if it stays open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, tomyami said: It will rip first or second week in janurary, a 4 week trailing EU UK this cant be stopped testing and high number of cases with lower hosp adms trending else where Only problem can Thailand afford a lockdown again having come from an 8 month most of 21 and still on a high baht. Was hoping for a return end of jan if it stays open. There seems to be a pervasive delusion that the economy will do well in an out of control pandemic if only they opened up. It's almost as if people will be shopping and partying like they were before there was coronavirus. The common sense approach would be to minimise infection spread until such time as everyone has been vaccinated, including by vaccines not already in production that that is required, Meantime, mandatory vaccines, masks and social distancing are the best option. Edited December 28, 2021 by ozimoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Hammer2021 Posted December 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2021 13 hours ago, seajae said: this is expected with the attitude of many here, like the road laws etc, following the regulations is all optional especially if it stops you from doing what ever you want to But the same soaring cases is happening in Europe and elsewhere in the world so isn't your comment just selective Thai bashing? Basically it could be construed as groundless prejudice or even racism. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomyami Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 more of the same is not helping the millions in poverty Omicron is a milder variant that cant be stopped unless everyone self isolates forever time to live 70%+ vaccinated, ecomony and mental health have equal importance, enough if you want to stay lockdown then up to you and good luck if you can afford it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 US Supreme Court is about to find itself on the wrong side of history and public opinion as it has decided to hear an injunction against the vaccine mandate. Oral arguments are slated for Jan 7 and is likely to be referred to the full bench. By this time, the pandemic will be totally out of control in tidal wave proportions. https://www.thepacker.com/news/industry/supreme-court-hear-covid-vaccine-mandate-arguments-january-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, tomyami said: more of the same is not helping the millions in poverty Omicron is a milder variant that cant be stopped unless everyone self isolates forever time to live 70%+ vaccinated, ecomony and mental health have equal importance, enough if you want to stay lockdown then up to you and good luck if you can afford it. I'll say it again, it's almost as if some people believe that businesses will do well if they open up with out of control virus infections. That's irrational. Airlines are cancelling flights because staff are sick, the same pattern is spreading throughout industry and even sporting teams. That also totally ignores the plight of hospitals where the national guard is being called in because nurses are overwhelmed and burned out. Edited December 28, 2021 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 10 hours ago, jak2002003 said: What is the fuss about? We are told this new mutation is just as mild as the common cold, right? By whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 From this article I don't see any evidence of Omicron cases "soaring". The figure they give is what we see everyday. Where's the beef? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 10 hours ago, jak2002003 said: What is the fuss about? We are told this new mutation is just as mild as the common cold, right? No we're not. We are told that it's less severe than Delta, is all. It's still causing hospitalizations and even some deaths, albeit at a lesser rate than previous variants, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, jak2002003 said: What is the fuss about? We are told this new mutation is just as mild as the common cold, right? 23 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said: By whom? By others who are also fearful of covid. Edited December 28, 2021 by rabas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Just now, rabas said: By others who are also fearful of covid. Yet another misinformed poster spreading misinformation who is unable or refuses to cite evidence for misinformed claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, rabas said: By others who are also fearful of covid. People who are fearful of covid do not dismiss it as a cold so your response is not logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Yet another misinformed poster spreading misinformation who is unable or refuses to cite evidence for misinformed claims. Here, read the views of the world's best virologists. Can you spot who is misinformed? Nature Journal: Beyond Omicron: what’s next for COVID’s viral evolution 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, rabas said: Here, read the views of the world's best virologists. Can you spot who is misinformed? Nature Journal: Beyond Omicron: what’s next for COVID’s viral evolution Your claim was that the virus was as mild as the common cold. I asked you to cite evidence to support that. The link you posted makes no such claim. There is also nothing to suggest that the next mutation would not be more dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: Your claim was that the virus was as mild as the common cold. I asked you to cite evidence to support that. The link you posted makes no such claim. There is also nothing to suggest that the next mutation would not be more dangerous. Lol. I was criticizing someone else for saying it was mild as a cold. So you read the link. Good! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 minute ago, rabas said: Lol. I was criticizing someone else for saying it was mild as a cold. So you read the link. Good! my apologies, I thought it was your claim lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyril sneer Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 if they're only going to test the critically ill that have friends/family to take them to hospital the figures should remain low 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stargeezr Posted December 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2021 I just seen the reason why the UK is having COVID spikes. They are still allowing Soccer or football games with huge crowds. What could possibly go wrong? Then there is the USA and Canada where some idiots, still think, that they will lose their freedom somehow, so will not get a vaccination. I even have a couple of stupid relatives who are holding out, and do not believe the news on TV, they only believe what they read or watch on their computers. I do hope that not too many people have to go to the hospitals if they catch COVID, but I believe that hospitals will be full for a lot of months yet, and if staff are quitting from the extra stress and many deaths that they all still see, that is going to affect hospitals in the future, when they are all looking for nurses. Maybe Omicron and the next variants will be less deadly, and I sure hope so. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandeventer Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 17 hours ago, billd766 said: Calls into to question the validity of official figures were met as usual by the deaf ears of "authorities". Soon everyone will have Omicron, Merry Christmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 18 hours ago, ukrules said: There's a lot more on the way. Sadly, yes. There is now concern in Cambodia (from today's Cambodia media 28 December 2021:-) "Thailand has confirmed that at least three Omicron cases have been found and that 49 people are at ‘high risk’ in a province directly bordering Cambodia (North) which contains an international border crossing into The Kingdom" "The provincial Covid-19 information centre of Surin province said ............... that 49 people in the province’s Kap Choeng district are at ‘high risk’ of Omicron infection. Kap Choeng district is on the border with Cambodia with the international border crossing ........... of Chong Chom Checkpoint" https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50996360/omicron-found-in-thai-district-bordering-cambodia/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancub Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 6 hours ago, peter zwart said: And that is exactly what i love about Thailand. Freedom with a bit of own responsibility. And the innate ability to deny any responsibility for the consequences of this freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 15 hours ago, thaiman said: Let it rip! The faster it spreads the sooner this mess is over with! Switch all the lights out. It won't go far in the dark. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter zwart Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, mancub said: And the innate ability to deny any responsibility for the consequences of this freedom. May be that goes for you but im dealing fine with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancub Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said: But the same soaring cases is happening in Europe and elsewhere in the world so isn't your comment just selective Thai bashing? Basically it could be construed as groundless prejudice or even racism. This thread is, however, concerned with Thailand, therefore the comment has validity without being necessarily selective. If you choose to construe it any other way, that's your prerogative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post catturd Posted December 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2021 14 hours ago, jak2002003 said: We are told this new mutation is just as mild as the common cold, right? It may turn out to be mild as you mention: Three New Studies Suggest Omicron Triggers Milder Illness Than Delta Early assessment of the clinical severity of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant in South Africa Omicron less likely to put you in the hospital, studies say https://apnews.com/article/omicron-less-likely-to-put-you-in-hospital-ec46b4dbbf55e16b79a3c267ced6a7df https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19803368.covid-scotland-omicron-hospital-admissions-lower-expected/ But: "But scientists warn that it's too soon to dismiss Omicron cases as resembling the common cold, even if the variant winds up being milder on its own. Omicron is still highly transmissible — cases are doubling every two to three days in the US — and hospitalizations are bound to rise the more it spreads. "Even if Omicron is 'less severe,' people still do end up at the hospital," Jetelina said. "If a virus is moving through 330 million people, that small percentage can add up very quickly." 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, thaiman said: Let it rip! The faster it spreads the sooner this mess is over with! That is only a very optimistic theory. The truth is that nobody actually knows what will happen globally after the Omicron wave passes. Thus I consider posts like yours and many similar to be dangerous misinformation. Edited December 28, 2021 by Jingthing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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