ICE vs EV, the debate thread

[JBChiangRai]

Being able to accelerate from 0 to 100 kmh is a capability that gives some indication of what else the car can do.

 

Using full power accelerating away from a standstill is completely different from using full power at 80 km an hour to overtake. In this latter situation, you could probably use a lot more power without any risk or it appearing overdramatic.

 

Drivers like power, it’s not a theory, it’s a fact.
 

Manufacturers are just catering to what the public want.

[Gweiloman]

21 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Being able to accelerate from 0 to 100 kmh is a capability that gives some indication of what else the car can do.

 

Using full power accelerating away from a standstill is completely different from using full power at 80 km an hour to overtake. In this latter situation, you could probably use a lot more power without any risk or it appearing overdramatic.

 

Drivers like power, it’s not a theory, it’s a fact.
 

Manufacturers are just catering to what the public want.

Correct. A lot of the roads I drive on are single lanes with bends. Being able to overtake quickly at lower speeds are much safer when one has a vehicle with instant torque and not needing to wait for the car to “downshift”.

[KhunLA]

11 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Correct. A lot of the roads I drive on are single lanes with bends. Being able to overtake quickly at lower speeds are much safer when one has a vehicle with instant torque and not needing to wait for the car to “downshift”.

Agree with the consensus, more power is good.  Even the MG ZS EV, far from a performance car (@ 8+ secs to 100 kph), passes safer & quickly, with the instant hp & torque.  And I drive in 'ECO' mode 

 

ZS EV vs ICEV, 8+ secs vs 12+ secs makes a huge difference when passing.  Again, more the instant hp & torque.  None of that hp @ XXXX rpm BS.  As noted, on smaller roads, it frees up congestion of tailgaters, which forces drivers to pass 2 or 3 vehicles at time, creating a hazard.

 

Actually makes taking smaller roads, faster if running parallel to main roads, and frees up congesting on the main roads.   Also makes for a more scenic and pleasurable drive.

[Lacessit]

An interesting read from an Australian publication:

 

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/auto/2024/12/15/ev-batteries-new-research?

[KhunLA]

BEV ... range range range ... best answer

 

 

[Pib]

 

@KhunLA

If I remember right you have a MG ZS EV.  If so from looking at it's charging curve from 89% to 100% it has a low and rapidly decreasing charging rate to 100%.  By the time it gets to 95% it down to a 11KW rate and then to 6KW just before reaching 100%.  That is not quick.   Now my Atto has a has a charge rate of 32KW from 85% to 99% and the final 1% is at 16KW.

 

 

MG ZS EV Charging Curve

https://evkx.net/models/mg/zs/zs_ev_standard_range/chargingcurve/

 

[KhunLA]

4 hours ago, Pib said:

 

@KhunLA

If I remember right you have a MG ZS EV.  If so from looking at it's charging curve from 89% to 100% it has a low and rapidly decreasing charging rate to 100%.  By the time it gets to 95% it down to a 11KW rate and then to 6KW just before reaching 100%.  That is not quick.   Now my Atto has a has a charge rate of 32KW from 85% to 99% and the final 1% is at 16KW.

 

 

MG ZS EV Charging Curve

https://evkx.net/models/mg/zs/zs_ev_standard_range/chargingcurve/

 

That's not our experience.  Their range chart is way off also.

 

When we can do 90 kph, rare, but 2 stretches, we can do it consistently, PKK - Pranburi & Pkk - Chumphon.

 

We average about 14kWh/100kms +/-, nothing like 18kWh/100kms