Yahoo and Thaiger Report - Thailand is set to fully decriminalize cannabis

[Don Chance]

On 1/21/2022 at 9:51 PM, The Hammer2021 said:

Nah...Quite the opposite actually..You are just a victim of propaganda. But even it  were true what defines good students and workers. Your narrow  perception based on old model of industrial needs is a very old  fashioned model. It's the feudal slave lord of the manner model. Addicted? what does  that even mean? Lots of people are habituated to doing stuff but so what? Most people do  drugs then stop. It's a temporary  thing and  does less damage than  prison.  All of what  you say is predicated on false judgemental assumptions based on interference in other people's lives. Especially  seeking to control what you don't understand. The consumption of recreational drugs has been historically,  beneficial for the  growth and development  of humankind. The attempt to control the pursuit of oblivion has always  stemmed from the control and fear of corrupted morality and sick religious paternalism.

Not at all. My post comes from 30 years of experience. I was addicted to marijuana for years and like you i had read that it was not additive. What a lie.

I actually quit by accident because i got a throat infection i was unable to smoke anymore. It was hard at first, then after 6 months my throat got better so i tried to smoke again. But by that time i had gained some perspective. I started smoking again and realized i was no happier last week than when i didn't smoke.  I realizes it was a waste of money and time. 

 

You can go to a nice view point and smoke a joint and say wow it is so beautiful. But guess what - you don't need it.  You can still go to that view point and look at the beach or lake and still feel high. Just relax.

Then after a year of not smoking you start to realize how bad marijuana is really.  Paranoid. I saw some teenagers who had just smoked and they all scared i was cop or something. LOL. You see the pot head who smokes everyday and he is in a state of confusion and depression.  Someone shows up for a job and they are completely incompetent because they are stoned and then soon fired. Their memory is so poor. These are not minor side effects. These are VERY bad psychological effects.   Paranoia is something schizophrenics experience!

After not smoking for a year or longer you will never go back because it will be clear to you if you previously smoked everyday.  Marijuana is  highly addictive for many people, you can see the crime gangs and mafia who are getting rich from it. Many people have lost their lives too, getting shot in simple marijuana deals.  These are things people must understand.

Edited January 23, 2022 by Don Chance

[Berkshire]

17 hours ago, Don Chance said:

Not at all. My post comes from 30 years of experience. I was addicted to marijuana for years and like you i had read that it was not additive. What a lie.

I actually quit by accident because i got a throat infection i was unable to smoke anymore. It was hard at first, then after 6 months my throat got better so i tried to smoke again. But by that time i had gained some perspective. I started smoking again and realized i was no happier last week than when i didn't smoke.  I realizes it was a waste of money and time. 

 

You can go to a nice view point and smoke a joint and say wow it is so beautiful. But guess what - you don't need it.  You can still go to that view point and look at the beach or lake and still feel high. Just relax.

Then after a year of not smoking you start to realize how bad marijuana is really.  Paranoid. I saw some teenagers who had just smoked and they all scared i was cop or something. LOL. You see the pot head who smokes everyday and he is in a state of confusion and depression.  Someone shows up for a job and they are completely incompetent because they are stoned and then soon fired. Their memory is so poor. These are not minor side effects. These are VERY bad psychological effects.   Paranoia is something schizophrenics experience!

After not smoking for a year or longer you will never go back because it will be clear to you if you previously smoked everyday.  Marijuana is  highly addictive for many people, you can see the crime gangs and mafia who are getting rich from it. Many people have lost their lives too, getting shot in simple marijuana deals.  These are things people must understand.

I can see you've had negative experiences with pot and I applaud you for righting the ship.  What stands out most is it was YOUR CHOICE to either smoke or not.  People have had bad experiences with everything from alcohol, to fast food, to gambling, to....heck playing golf!  Should the government make everything illegal because a few can't handle it?

 

So just one question for you:  Do you think adults should have the freedom to choose for themselves what they want to do?

[EVENKEEL]

On 1/20/2022 at 2:11 AM, HappyExpat57 said:

Bah humbug. Everyone I've ever met who toked did fewer other drugs, especially alcohol.

Oh a couple hits along with a few beers, delightful.

[Bruno123]

On 1/21/2022 at 2:17 PM, Don Chance said:

Basically, people who smoke weed all day, every day, are a-holes. They are high all the time and could care less about other people.  They are not good students or workers. They are not good friends or family. How could they be? They are high all day!  They are even in denial that that they are addicted, even though they need to smoke from morning to night.

The reality is that 20%+ or more people who try marijuana or alcohol will become addicted. To say that it leads to harder drugs is not untrue either. We have a government for a reason. We need someone in charge to protect people from dangers, to educate and guide. Libertarian is anarchy and only childish people think this is an answer to society.

You're a judgemental one, aren't you? ????

 

Now change the word weed for alcohol or even food. In other words, people who do anything to excess all day every day can be a.holes.

 

Even the guy going to the gym twice a day every day could be exerting a negative effect on someone else's life.

 

You are writing about extremes and then applying that extreme to weeds smokers; extreme weed smokers.. How could an office worker smoke all day? But what if it helps him to relax after a stressful day; like some might relax with some wine with their meal? Why are you not writing about this kind of person? You know...an everyday kind of person, rather than utilising hyperbole and exaggeration to try to force your point of view.

 

My friends who smoked are still my friends. Who are you to say that they are not? They seem to look after their families too. So that's your theory out of the window. Normal people doing normal things; not like your picture or mad reefer smoking misfits.

 

The other 'statement' that you make about some cannabis users moving on to other drugs.....just think about what you write for a moment...........

Do alcohol users stray on to other kinds of drugs? Do people who use other drugs use other kinds of drugs? In other words...is it only cannabis users who are sometimes moving on to other drugs?

 

Once you have pondered that for a moment, then think about this: I know for sure that many people take cannabis because they are self medicating. They suffer from over-anxiety etc and because of that they can barely function on a personal level. They can do their jobs alright, but can barely deal with the human race at all.

Cannabis helps to release some of that tension. I sense it in simply conversing with them. Before they  might have been objectional and uncooperative; afterwards they were more reasonable and you could actually discuss concepts with them. That would make them BETTER at their jobs.

The point being 'self medicating'. They aren't taking it to be fun and happy. They are managing a condition. It stands to reason that some will feel their condition is not being managed or they may have a expectation that another drug can better manage their issues.

 

You think people drink alcohol for fun?? It's nasty stuff! They are taking it because of the initial effect that it has on them. To relax them from the everyday barriers they put up. Unfortunately alcohol is also a depressant and has unpleasant side effects.

 

I've yet to see a headline of a cannabis fuelled person doing anyone any damage.

 

So I'm sure that some people who smoke all day can be useless. I had an annoying neighbour who smoked all day and wasn't impressed about it at all. 

Do what you want, but try to not inconvenience others with it. But I certainly would not ban such a useful medicine. I see the positive side of helping stressed out and over anxious people and others will have seen benefits beyond that. I believe people should have full access to natural medicine. It's nature and made for us.

 

Personally, if I were in the same position, I would not hesitate to try it; as opposed to Valium or whatever kind of man made 'legal' alternative were offered.

 

The fact is that I can comment on this as I actually tried it as a teenager and am here to tell the tale and I have seen the positive differences in friends and acquaintances.

 

Of course people who are already calm and relaxed don't need it. I get my kicks from my normal life. But then my normal life is good with relatively little stress. Easily controlled. But what about the people who lives are stressful, almost with no respite? Are they not allowed to know how it feels to be relaxed and without worry/anxiety?

Jump down from the high horse and soon you may understand that it is not 'one size fits all'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DeaconJohn]

Mr. Don Chance and others of his anti-cannabis bias should educate themselves on this plant and its positive effects on human well-being.

Stop the bigoted or agenda-driven nonsense that began with "Reefer Madness" and is ending in the death throes of the War on Drugs.

The cannabinoid receptors in the human body have been getting a lot of attention recently.

It is beginning to look like we are "hard-wired" to receive the benefits of this herb... OK, weed.

[kevinsan]

Hooray. They included magic mushrooms in the current legalization wave.

 

The draft specifies opium poppy, shroom (magic mushroom) and extracts of cannabis and hemp as carrying less than 0.2% of Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) by weight. THC is the chemical responsible for most of cannabis's psychological effects.

 

Law takes effect in 120 days.
 

Edited January 26, 2022 by CharlieH
bangkokpost link removed

[KannikaP]

In 120 days, my grow should just about be ready!

[Gaccha]

There was a puritan flair up in the early 2000s including a sudden crackdown on magic mushrooms in the early 2000s.

 

At that time, both Japan and the UK fully criminalized them after years of ambiguity; Japan allowed the sale of dry mushrooms but not the consumption and the UK allowed the possession of wet mushrooms but not their storage. 

 

Since magic mushrooms are laughably safe (far safer than marijuana) it has always amazed me. Luckily, the low-information-voter "soccer moms" who supported these crackdowns because "who will think of the children!?" are fading out of history.

 

It is still surprising to see a military junta para-democracy go along with a liberalisation. 

[Nickelbeer]

On 1/21/2022 at 10:49 PM, The Hammer2021 said:

Here in Thailand edible THC is available legally and certificated forms. I have visited two government cannabis clinics one in Pattaya and one in Bangkok. As well as providing you with THC it's presence in your  system and the government  medical  certificate act as 'cover'.

I don't have a verifiable medical need for Pot.  I have had prostate cancer (in remission) as well as brain surgery. But I can't claim any "need" for medical marijuana in terms of intractable pain. If the THC is removed from marijuana, then basically all you have is green veggies of inferior taste. I am not going to be able to claim marijuana need on a medical basis. I want it decriminalized and sold like cigarettes.  At present, it is a money earner for the Royal Thai Police.  I don't expect any movement for

that reason.  CBD is the most worthless drug since Hadacol.

[Nickelbeer]

On 1/23/2022 at 8:07 PM, Don Chance said:

Not at all. My post comes from 30 years of experience. I was addicted to marijuana for years and like you i had read that it was not additive. What a lie.

I actually quit by accident because i got a throat infection i was unable to smoke anymore. It was hard at first, then after 6 months my throat got better so i tried to smoke again. But by that time i had gained some perspective. I started smoking again and realized i was no happier last week than when i didn't smoke.  I realizes it was a waste of money and time. 

 

You can go to a nice view point and smoke a joint and say wow it is so beautiful. But guess what - you don't need it.  You can still go to that view point and look at the beach or lake and still feel high. Just relax.

Then after a year of not smoking you start to realize how bad marijuana is really.  Paranoid. I saw some teenagers who had just smoked and they all scared i was cop or something. LOL. You see the pot head who smokes everyday and he is in a state of confusion and depression.  Someone shows up for a job and they are completely incompetent because they are stoned and then soon fired. Their memory is so poor. These are not minor side effects. These are VERY bad psychological effects.   Paranoia is something schizophrenics experience!

After not smoking for a year or longer you will never go back because it will be clear to you if you previously smoked everyday.  Marijuana is  highly addictive for many people, you can see the crime gangs and mafia who are getting rich from it. Many people have lost their lives too, getting shot in simple marijuana deals.  These are things people must understand.

 

[Nickelbeer]

Just now, Nickelbeer said:

 

If doctors say that Marijuana is not addictive, then speculation and opinion are OVER. You may BELIEVE that you were addicted, but that does not make it so. Non-professional opinions and old wive's tales are what keep these lies alive. Do yourself a favor and expound on subjects you know something about.

[kevinsan]

We all remember the party in Bali before mushrooms became taboo in 2016. Best clubs with everyone sipping the soup from plastic bags. International DJ's flying out every weekend and the beach sunrises becoming one with the universe. Otherwise I am happy to microdose under medical supervision. 120 days seems like a lifetime away.

[jollyhangmon]

3 hours ago, kevinsan said:

Hooray. They included magic mushrooms in the current legalization wave.

 

The draft specifies opium poppy, shroom (magic mushroom) and extracts of cannabis and hemp as carrying less than 0.2% of Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) by weight. THC is the chemical responsible for most of cannabis's psychological effects.

 

Law takes effect in 120 days.
 

 

... can't post a BKKpost link here unfortunately mate, but yes that's what it says there.

Then again here's what DrDr. h.c. Anutin blessed us with in that regard ... now take a pick, 555 ...

 

" Thailand’s Narcotics Control Board today (Tuesday) endorsed the Ministry of Public Health’s drafted announcement on decriminalising cannabis and hemp, by removing the two plants from Category 5 of the drugs list, which will pave the way for their legal cultivation.

 

Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said that the remaining drugs in Category 5 will include opium, magic mushrooms (Psilocybe cubensis) and extracts of cannabis which contain more THC than 0.2% by weight. ... "

 

 

[JCauto]

On 1/20/2022 at 11:45 AM, ezzra said:

Why do you think is a good thing for people to smoke at all Huh? and why do you think we want to see stoned people driving and riding motorcycle around? also people under the influence of the the cannabis doing engaging in behavior that otherwise they wouldn't, saying it's not me, it's the cannabis.. who need that?...and beside, who needs MORE drugs on the market? legal or not?...

https://vancouversun.com/news/new-study-shows-no-increase-in-car-crash-injuries-after-marijuana-legalized

Well then! You'll be pleased to note that cannabis use is associated with a lower incidence of driving accidents even amongst the youth. 

I'm sure that, now armed with this knowledge, you'll change your tune and advocate for the full legalization of cannabis and outlawing of alcohol.

[kevinsan]

1 hour ago, jollyhangmon said:

Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said that the remaining drugs in Category 5 will include opium, magic mushrooms (Psilocybe cubensis) and extracts of cannabis which contain more THC than 0.2% by weight. ... "

From the highest of highs to lowest of lows. Off to buy some legal anti-depressants. Anyway, its a start.

 

[BritManToo]

3 hours ago, kevinsan said:

We all remember the party in Bali before mushrooms became taboo in 2016. Best clubs with everyone sipping the soup from plastic bags. International DJ's flying out every weekend and the beach sunrises becoming one with the universe. Otherwise I am happy to microdose under medical supervision. 120 days seems like a lifetime away.

Why wait?

[CLW]

3 hours ago, Nickelbeer said:

I don't have a verifiable medical need for Pot.  I have had prostate cancer (in remission) as well as brain surgery. But I can't claim any "need" for medical marijuana in terms of intractable pain. If the THC is removed from marijuana, then basically all you have is green veggies of inferior taste. I am not going to be able to claim marijuana need on a medical basis. I want it decriminalized and sold like cigarettes.  At present, it is a money earner for the Royal Thai Police.  I don't expect any movement for

that reason.  CBD is the most worthless drug since Hadacol.

You can get cannabis oil in Thailand already for your sickness history. I recommend Sawasdee Clinic near Don Mueang.

[MrJ2U]

On 1/20/2022 at 11:36 AM, Moonlover said:

Do please explain why you think this a step backwards.

There's a chance it'll make the Thai workforce even lazier.

[RocketDog]

On 1/20/2022 at 11:57 AM, pikao said:

After watching this masterpiece of educational advertising, I know ezzra is right

 

 

Notice the woman keeping her right leg on the floor as she drags the guy onto the bed? Awkward but required by the social censorship of the time in movies. 

Also just as archaic as the silly message the film tries to deliver. Even at the time it fell flat and was simply amusing to those truly informed. Same today, for those who are informed.

[jvs]

On 1/23/2022 at 8:07 PM, Don Chance said:

Not at all. My post comes from 30 years of experience. I was addicted to marijuana for years and like you i had read that it was not additive. What a lie.

I actually quit by accident because i got a throat infection i was unable to smoke anymore. It was hard at first, then after 6 months my throat got better so i tried to smoke again. But by that time i had gained some perspective. I started smoking again and realized i was no happier last week than when i didn't smoke.  I realizes it was a waste of money and time. 

 

You can go to a nice view point and smoke a joint and say wow it is so beautiful. But guess what - you don't need it.  You can still go to that view point and look at the beach or lake and still feel high. Just relax.

Then after a year of not smoking you start to realize how bad marijuana is really.  Paranoid. I saw some teenagers who had just smoked and they all scared i was cop or something. LOL. You see the pot head who smokes everyday and he is in a state of confusion and depression.  Someone shows up for a job and they are completely incompetent because they are stoned and then soon fired. Their memory is so poor. These are not minor side effects. These are VERY bad psychological effects.   Paranoia is something schizophrenics experience!

After not smoking for a year or longer you will never go back because it will be clear to you if you previously smoked everyday.  Marijuana is  highly addictive for many people, you can see the crime gangs and mafia who are getting rich from it. Many people have lost their lives too, getting shot in simple marijuana deals.  These are things people must understand.

So were you addicted to cigarettes?Just asking because smoking too much can really damage your throat.

 

Edited January 26, 2022 by jvs

[RocketDog]

2 hours ago, JCauto said:

https://vancouversun.com/news/new-study-shows-no-increase-in-car-crash-injuries-after-marijuana-legalized

Well then! You'll be pleased to note that cannabis use is associated with a lower incidence of driving accidents even amongst the youth. 

I'm sure that, now armed with this knowledge, you'll change your tune and advocate for the full legalization of cannabis and outlawing of alcohol.

As I pointed out in an earlier thread on this topic, such driving studies have been done numerous times by numerous authorities in a vain attempt to find rationale for repression of a plant.

They all failed to prove their point and simply became laughing stock.

Willful ignorance can ignore/disregard the clearest of facts though, as a few die-hards on these forums prove. They are however still free to express their personal opinions and even offer alternative facts.

 

In the end however, all efforts to legislate morality fail the test of time. Freedom to possess and regulate our own bodies is fundamental.

[IAMHERE]

On 1/20/2022 at 11:36 AM, Moonlover said:

Do please explain why you think this a step backwards.

I'd say that in the past there were no laws against marihuana use.  Same as no laws in the USA until early 20th century.

[IAMHERE]

6 hours ago, Gaccha said:

It is still surprising to see a military junta para-democracy go along with a liberalisation. 

I bet there were brown envelopes (or foreign aid moneys) from the USA to help those Thai in charge at the time to make marihuana illegal. There was a lot of influence by the DEA. Those that benefitted from the American largesse are no longer in power. Plus the USA is not so vehemently anti-marihuana these days.

[unblocktheplanet]

Can't be used from 1 to 5 pm, innit?

[sleepwalker999]

On 1/23/2022 at 8:07 PM, Don Chance said:

Not at all. My post comes from 30 years of experience. I was addicted to marijuana for years and like you i had read that it was not additive. What a lie.

I actually quit by accident because i got a throat infection i was unable to smoke anymore. It was hard at first, then after 6 months my throat got better so i tried to smoke again. But by that time i had gained some perspective. I started smoking again and realized i was no happier last week than when i didn't smoke.  I realizes it was a waste of money and time. 

 

You can go to a nice view point and smoke a joint and say wow it is so beautiful. But guess what - you don't need it.  You can still go to that view point and look at the beach or lake and still feel high. Just relax.

Then after a year of not smoking you start to realize how bad marijuana is really.  Paranoid. I saw some teenagers who had just smoked and they all scared i was cop or something. LOL. You see the pot head who smokes everyday and he is in a state of confusion and depression.  Someone shows up for a job and they are completely incompetent because they are stoned and then soon fired. Their memory is so poor. These are not minor side effects. These are VERY bad psychological effects.   Paranoia is something schizophrenics experience!

After not smoking for a year or longer you will never go back because it will be clear to you if you previously smoked everyday.  Marijuana is  highly addictive for many people, you can see the crime gangs and mafia who are getting rich from it. Many people have lost their lives too, getting shot in simple marijuana deals.  These are things people must understand.

I though it was only ex-alcoholics who spoke in this weird condescending way? 

 

It's fine, the rest of us are quite able to control our own impulses and have a few joints every so often and leave it at that.

[Don Chance]

On 1/27/2022 at 1:44 PM, sleepwalker999 said:

I though it was only ex-alcoholics who spoke in this weird condescending way? 

 

It's fine, the rest of us are quite able to control our own impulses and have a few joints every so often and leave it at that.

Yes. We know. You do not care about other people because you are stoned all day. In fact 20-30% of people will become addicted. So why not spread misinformation about it if it serves you?

[EVENKEEL]

Whatever these guys come up with will be disappointing.