Pattaya still mostly deserted - fears of rise in Covid cases when Sandbox rules relaxed

[NoshowJones]

21 hours ago, david555 said:

No!

the 90 days repporting have their own seat section on the right when entering ..., i had only to wait for a half hour to received my passport back ....they seem to take good care for us originnal visa  ret.extenders 90 day reporting ...????

There should not even be this 90 day reporting nonsense, all they are doing is treating us like ex prisoners on parole.

[david555]

4 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

There should not even be this 90 day reporting nonsense, all they are doing is treating us like ex prisoners on parole.

Funny remark ????.....as so now an then they catch some on the run from their home country......????

[johnnybangkok]

19 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Totally different in the US. Quite the opposite. Few know why 

No it's not.

 

It may have been the case early on in the pandemic but as has been pointed out by another poster https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated 'That statement, combined with some state health officials saying they follow the same policy, sparked charges that the COVID-19 totals were inflated by deaths from other diseases and even auto accidents if the victims happened to have COVID-19. Federal and state governments gradually altered such policies over the spring and summer (2020) to say that in order for a death to be counted as a COVID-19 death, the disease had to have played a role'.

 

And also 'When tests for COVID-19 were scarce while the pandemic raced across the country in the spring of 2020, many infected people died without being tested. That includes those who showed mild symptoms or symptoms that were attributed to other causes. “If anything, we’re missing patients who had COVID,” Raja says'.

 

And finally 'Others, however, have no COVID-19 symptoms or previous diagnosis. For those who die — from a heart attack, for instance — the role of COVID-19 might never be determined unless there’s a reason to run a post-mortem test for the disease, Raja explains. As for those killed by traumas such as accidents and assaults, a test wouldn’t matter. “Whether or not you have COVID isn’t going to change your cause of death when you get hit by a car,” he says.

 

Can we stop with your misrepresentation of the facts to fit your agenda now please?

 

 

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, morrobay said:

Let me pose a scenario to you.

You are diagnosed with terminal cancer and have been given 6 months to live. However the very next week you get shot and die from your wounds. What is the cause of death? It's obviously death by gunshot.

This is very similar with Covid. You may have severe comorbidities but Covid hastened your demise to the extend you died long before you probably would have (a month, 3 months, 6 months, a year.... doesn't really matter). This is what Covid does. It preys on the weak and vulnerable and sends them off to their grave earlier than expected. This is why it's deemed the cause of death.

It's not difficult to understand.

[Harveyboy]

On 1/24/2022 at 10:13 AM, spidermike007 said:

Fear, fear and more fear. That is the Prayuth/Anutin creed. Keep em scared, and maintain power. A power play as old as the hills. Once Covid is gone, so are the creeps, hopefully. 

Covid= Controller

[jacko45k]

20 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Not even close to the truth. 

 

For the vast majority of those people, Covid has been the primary cause of their death.

 

But there has always been a minority who died from another cause. And with Omicron infecting so many people, there is a higher likelihood of people dying from an unrelated reason in the month after testing positive than there has been in the past.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-60000391

 

 

In the UK the main metric clearly and explicitly states, 'Deaths within 28 days of positive test', there is another category 'Deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate'  People who are admitted to hospital need to be tested as the hospital has to isolate if positive, and treatment will be specialist. Coincidental infections are very likely.. i.e someone turning up with arrhythmia or a broken leg, testing positive. The Covid infection may or may not exacerbate some problems... but for sure they only die once. If Covid did indeed cause a person with comorbidities to die sooner , I see that as a Covid death, the same as if they got stabbed.... it would be a stabbing death. 

[morrobay]

Not that complicated. Unhealthy people have the comorbidities and are at high risk. Im surprised alot of them are still walking around anyway.https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-comorbidities-coviddeaths-idUSL1N2TU22X And further more don't have false security if vaccinated with comorbidities: 6 months protection .https://www.healthline.com/health/how-long-does-covid-vaccine-protect-you#takeaway

Edited January 26, 2022 by morrobay

[elgenon]

On 1/23/2022 at 7:13 PM, spidermike007 said:

Fear, fear and more fear. That is the Prayuth/Anutin creed. Keep em scared, and maintain power. A power play as old as the hills. Once Covid is gone, so are the creeps, hopefully. 

How will they get put out of office. I don't see a way. : (

[elgenon]

On 1/23/2022 at 7:19 PM, bkk6060 said:

This report seems bogus from my observation.  The bar they show is way north on Soi 18 in Naklua I believe.  Yes, not many people partying in Naklua.

Even during normal times you can find a deserted bar.

Plenty of places are open in and around central and full of people partying it up big time so maybe show photos of those places for proper perspective.

  Thanks for the real perspective. Do they serve alcohol and close at 11:00 or stop serving then. So you could buy several and keep drinking?

[elgenon]

19 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Let me pose a scenario to you.

You are diagnosed with terminal cancer and have been given 6 months to live. However the very next week you get shot and die from your wounds. What is the cause of death? It's obviously death by gunshot.

This is very similar with Covid. You may have severe comorbidities but Covid hastened your demise to the extend you died long before you probably would have (a month, 3 months, 6 months, a year.... doesn't really matter). This is what Covid does. It preys on the weak and vulnerable and sends them off to their grave earlier than expected. This is why it's deemed the cause of death.

It's not difficult to understand.

It is interesting that some people go to the hospital for other reasons. like a stroke, and test positive for Covid.

[HashBrownHarry]

On 1/24/2022 at 7:19 AM, Jingthing said:

No they won't because they'll know the stats showing massive numbers of global deaths.

Compared to?

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, elgenon said:

It is interesting that some people go to the hospital for other reasons. like a stroke, and test positive for Covid.

And your point is?

[elgenon]

3 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And your point is?

 

They wouldn't have become a Covid statistic if they hadn't been a stroke statistic. I find that interesting. It was something I hadn't thought about. That's it.

[desert dueller]

On 1/24/2022 at 1:03 PM, spidermike007 said:

Everything about Covid is so skewed. It is very hard to get accurate information and much of the official narrative is colored or inaccurate. 

 

60 million people die worldwide in an average year. How many of these folks with multiple co-morbidities would have died anyway? How many would have died of old age and natural causes?

 

In the US, if you die in a motorbike accident, but have Covid, that is a Covid death. How many other nations do this? Just how accurate are the numbers, really? 

Do you have an example for the claim made in your last sentence?

[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, elgenon said:

 

They wouldn't have become a Covid statistic if they hadn't been a stroke statistic. I find that interesting. It was something I hadn't thought about. That's it.

Indeed. By most measures Covid has actually been massively under-reported which unfortunately goes against those claiming that 'even if you get hit by a car, they count it as Covid'. 

[Henryford]

On 1/24/2022 at 11:39 AM, daveAustin said:

fears of rise in Covid cases when Sandbox rules relaxed

 

Hardly. It’s there big time already. Cases will rise when you start testing locally. Oh yeah, I forgot, nobody wants to get tested in Thailand since they’ll be labelled a leper and/or imprisoned. The cat’s out the bag. Get with it. Embrace it. Let it go and live normally. Dopes in hazmat suits to have a beer?! F a doodle do!!

No one is scared of Covid, they are scared of being sent to an isolation hospital and getting a 200k bill.

[Golden Triangle]

On 1/24/2022 at 10:56 AM, tomster said:

In years to come people will look back at these images of people wearing hazmat suits testing for a disease similar to the common cold and think what on Earth were they doing...

I presume with that rather callous remark that you haven't lost a sibling to COVID-19 & were prevented from getting home to attend the funeral ?

 

You really ought to think before posting mate ????????????

[newnative]

1 hour ago, Henryford said:

No one is scared of Covid, they are scared of being sent to an isolation hospital and getting a 200k bill.

I think you have that backwards.

[IAMHERE]

On 1/24/2022 at 1:17 PM, Wuvu2 said:

By contrast - Covid has killed almost 900k Americans (mostly civilians) in just two years.  

Silver lining is so many of them were on the medicare/madicaid roles. An enormous amount of money has been saved not to mention so many doctors appointments freed up. 

Besides, those American numbers were cooked from the git go. 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

Silver lining is so many of them were on the medicare/madicaid roles. An enormous amount of money has been saved not to mention so many doctors appointments freed up. 

Besides, those American numbers were cooked from the git go. 

So mean spirited.

[Danderman123]

18 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

Besides, those American numbers were cooked from the git go. 

You are correct. Excess mortality data indicates that well over a million Americans have died from Covid.

[JustAnotherHun]

Only barstool addicts think Pattaya is deserted. The restaurants I like are quite well visited by tourists and expats. 

And if the glory days were when thousands of Chinese, hords of tattooed western low lifes and stinking tour busses, flooded the city I must confess, I do not miss those days.

For me it was the most pleasing "high season" since many many years.

Edited January 26, 2022 by JustAnotherHun

[Danderman123]

19 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

Silver lining is so many of them were on the medicare/madicaid roles. An enormous amount of money has been saved not to mention so many doctors appointments freed up. 

Nothing saves doctors’ time and Medicare money than having a million people die after a month in ICU.

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Only barstool addicts think Pattaya is deserted. The restaurants I like are quite well visited by tourists and expats. 

And if the glory days were when thousands of Chinese, hords of tattooed western low lifes and stinking tour busses, flooded the city I must confess, I do not miss those days.

For me it was the most pleasing "high season" since many many years.

The Camel Toe restaurant is so busy that nobody goes there.

[3NUMBAS]

its had its day     its permanantly finished till hell freezes over

[JustAnotherHun]

18 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The Camel Toe restaurant is so busy that nobody goes there.

Try to get a table at Fussilos at lunch or diner time

[Leaver]

5 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The Camel Toe restaurant is so busy that nobody goes there.

 

It all comes down to to the quality of "toe" on offer.  ????  

[Danderman123]

I know two ladies who are opening new bars next week, so they must think there are customers in Pattaya.

[jacko45k]

21 hours ago, elgenon said:

It is interesting that some people go to the hospital for other reasons. like a stroke, and test positive for Covid.

It happens.... but of course it is very necessary as such patients require different treatments. 

[IAMHERE]

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So mean spirited.

Yes I am. I have earned it in my lifetime. Only, my opinion is it isn't so much 'mean spirited' as realistic with a bit of uncaring thrown in. Wish I had a dollar for every time someone in Thailand has told me to 'take care yourself'. Thai's mean that, take care of yourself because the government doesn't. USA not the same.