onthedarkside Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 A post making unsourced and unsubstantiated COVID claims has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 7 hours ago, ozimoron said: All of the lock downs were wildly popular. Opinion polls have shown that the governments popularity has dropped significantly since opening up. They worked for Australia and they worked for Japan at least until omicron started to spread. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2022_Australian_federal_election Political Leaders are there to do the right thing not just follow often ignorant popular opinions on issues, unless National Referendums held. Japan, S.Korea had no lockdowns. They alone of major nations followed the true science here. Not rational for the highly educated Australian 99.9% non- vulnerable to support destructive lockdowns and that fear- based sentiment required govt. override. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 18 hours ago, TropicalGuy said: Border closure protects & does not limit those already inside those borders. Japan had no internal travel restrictions. Australia had National border shutdown ( very good); then State border shutdown ( less good); then City border shutdown (nasty) ; then Local & Suburb shutdown ( nightmare) . But Aus did “ better” than Japan by keeping a few more very old alive a few years longer? At that tyrannical high cost.No they did not “do better” awful worst measures for democratic nation……. Enlighten us CH perhaps with what you found so “humorous” about Australian-style Covid tyranny vs. the rational effective Japan approach ? Japan having five times the population and population density of Australia…… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Virt said: Yeah that's the biggest issue we have too. Lack of people on the jobs since many are in isolation. Many of them have no symptoms but have to stay home since they are positive. Isolating rules are also being changed in many countries. Shorter isolation periods are on the drawing board. Should be No Hospital Admission without Breathing Difficulties. Home Quarantine of Essential Workers only with Serious Symptoms. Health Workers otherwisevto wear Medical Masks and carry on. Edited January 26, 2022 by TropicalGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: Enlighten us CH perhaps with what you found so “humorous” about Australian-style Covid tyranny vs. the rational effective Japan approach ? Japan having five times the population and population density of Australia…… Australia never had full lock downs either. Japan and Korea appear to have had very similar style lock downs that Australia had. While Japan never had official lock downs they did in fact lock down voluntarily which had the same effect as any other lock down. (1) the effect that citizens refrained from going out in line with the government’s request, and (2) the effect that government announcements reinforced awareness with regard to the seriousness of the pandemic and people voluntarily refrained from going out. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0252468 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/10/seoul-heads-for-lockdown-as-infections-spiral-in-south-korea Under the new rules, which will come into effect on Saturday, gatherings are limited to no more than four people, as long as they are fully vaccinated. Unvaccinated people can only dine out alone, or use takeout or delivery services. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/16/s-korea-reimposes-covid-19-curbs-amid-mayhem-at-hospitals https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-set-extend-covid-19-state-emergency-lockdown-sept-12-2021-08-17/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: True. But you can still get the virus, have no symptoms, and pass it along to those who are vulnerable. It's all tied together. We're all in this together. Sadly. The vaxxed are in it together. Unvaxxed to be severely limited by law and kept away permanently in fact from sensible folk. Givevthem their own lands and govt, in LoonyLand. Perhaps some remote cold island…… Very Good that these irrational anti-social morons have been exposed and shamed. Applies to all other societal issues where these fools can be ignored and even denied voting and medical rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Australia never had full lock downs either. Japan and Korea appear to have had very similar style lock downs that Australia had. While Japan never had official lock downs they did in fact lock down voluntarily which had the same effect as any other lock down. (1) the effect that citizens refrained from going out in line with the government’s request, and (2) the effect that government announcements reinforced awareness with regard to the seriousness of the pandemic and people voluntarily refrained from going out. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0252468 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/10/seoul-heads-for-lockdown-as-infections-spiral-in-south-korea Under the new rules, which will come into effect on Saturday, gatherings are limited to no more than four people, as long as they are fully vaccinated. Unvaccinated people can only dine out alone, or use takeout or delivery services. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/16/s-korea-reimposes-covid-19-curbs-amid-mayhem-at-hospitals https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-set-extend-covid-19-state-emergency-lockdown-sept-12-2021-08-17/ Voluntary quite different to Forced. Not even Lockdown at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, TropicalGuy said: Voluntary quite different to Forced. Not even Lockdown at all. As far as the virus is concerned it's exactly the same thing. The virus doesn't care about individual freedoms or tyranny. The lockdowns had a the same effect whether forced or voluntary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virt Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 18 hours ago, ozimoron said: Australia never had full lock downs either. Japan and Korea appear to have had very similar style lock downs that Australia had. While Japan never had official lock downs they did in fact lock down voluntarily which had the same effect as any other lock down. (1) the effect that citizens refrained from going out in line with the government’s request, and (2) the effect that government announcements reinforced awareness with regard to the seriousness of the pandemic and people voluntarily refrained from going out. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0252468 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/10/seoul-heads-for-lockdown-as-infections-spiral-in-south-korea Under the new rules, which will come into effect on Saturday, gatherings are limited to no more than four people, as long as they are fully vaccinated. Unvaccinated people can only dine out alone, or use takeout or delivery services. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/16/s-korea-reimposes-covid-19-curbs-amid-mayhem-at-hospitals https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-set-extend-covid-19-state-emergency-lockdown-sept-12-2021-08-17/ Denmark, Holland, Ireland and UK are dropping most if not all restrictions and if we look at the admissions in ICU it makes perfect sense. USA on the other hand looks like a country where lifting restrictions wouldn't be a good idea and finally it seems like Japan are having a curve that increases. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-icu-patients-per-million?time=2021-12-14..latest&country=DNK~GBR~IRL~NLD~USA~JPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 56 minutes ago, Virt said: Denmark, Holland, Ireland and UK are dropping most if not all restrictions and if we look at the admissions in ICU it makes perfect sense. USA on the other hand looks like a country where lifting restrictions wouldn't be a good idea and finally it seems like Japan are having a curve that increases. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-icu-patients-per-million?time=2021-12-14..latest&country=DNK~GBR~IRL~NLD~USA~JPN It's easy to see from that graph which country is the least vaccinated per capita. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virt Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, ozimoron said: It's easy to see from that graph which country is the least vaccinated per capita. Yeah and their boosters are not that impressive. Neither is Japans, but i assume that's because they had less infections so boosters started later? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccine-booster-doses-per-capita?country=DNK~GBR~USA~IRL~NLD~JPN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virt Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Japan are starting to see a sharp increase in positive cases, but maybe that has something to do with their low numbers of boosters given? https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/02/02/national/covid-tracker-feb-2/ "The omicron variant of the coronavirus continued to rage across Japan on Wednesday, with Tokyo and other major urban centers reporting a record number of infections. The unprecedented surge has many wondering about booster shots, with Japan having the dubious distinction of being home to the developed world’s slowest rollout of third shots" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 On 1/25/2022 at 12:40 PM, ezzra said: Japan and the Japanese people are obedient and orderly society, they do what that they told for the good of the nation and society, unlike most other countries in the world where being a denier of this and that is being worn like a badge of honor and they're proud to be the thorn in the law abiding citizens backsides... They may also have a healthier diet and be less obese than western nations. Could be a lot of factors from diet to environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: They may also have a healthier diet and be less obese than western nations. Could be a lot of factors from diet to environment. Per the OP: Quote People should avoid the three C’s, which are closed spaces, crowded places and close-contact settings. The Japanese government shared this advice with the public in early March, and it became omnipresent. What really happened was that science was used to create an effective strategy and a digestible message. That message — to avoid the three C’s — was actionable without being alarmist and prescribed a solution that could outlast changing circumstances. It worked because of an underlying trust between the public and pandemic responders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Just now, Jeffr2 said: Per the OP: Might have worked with a compliant population, but can't see it happening with western society. Some of us are not going to be ordered around too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Might have worked with a compliant population, but can't see it happening with western society. Some of us are not going to be ordered around too much. And therein lies the problem. Those who refuse science and don't trust their government. And thus, the pandemic extends. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 You mean this Japan? Cases through the roof and deaths following the trend https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/japan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmarshall Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 On 2/3/2022 at 8:43 AM, Bkk Brian said: You mean this Japan? Cases through the roof and deaths following the trend https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/japan I mean the Japan that has a cumulative 15.09 Covid deaths per hundred thousand which compares favorably with 273.14 for the US and 236.80 for the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 On 2/3/2022 at 7:29 AM, thaibeachlovers said: Might have worked with a compliant population, but can't see it happening with western society. Some of us are not going to be ordered around too much. And yet anti-vaxxers so often support rightwing authoritarian politicians. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: And yet anti-vaxxers so often support rightwing authoritarian politicians. And gravitate towards misinformation. Drawn like moths to a light. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 On 2/3/2022 at 8:43 AM, Bkk Brian said: You mean this Japan? Cases through the roof and deaths following the trend https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/japan Japan was slow to authorize booster shots. And only recently cut the interval between the first 2 shots and the booster from 8 months to 6. https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-health-japan-tokyo-8e5c6f17ccd1ecf256c0dbd4a79d2c33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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