Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[plus7]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

As you may recall, at the time, the situation looked desperate for the Ukrainians. So, Ukraine was obviously going to try and throw everything it

Maybe they were desperate, maybe, I don't consider recruiting in prisons as something bad.

 

Another link:

In July, Kiev released a former commander of battalion Tornado sentenced to 11 years (he actually spent 7 years) for war crimes against civilians:

https://southfront.org/zelensky-released-former-tornado-commander-from-prison-while-russians-showcase-nazis-crimes-in-donbass/

 

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

20 minutes ago, plus7 said:

I thought you were wondering that Russia takes prisoners to the war. I mentioned Ukraine does it too. Probably you also said this on 3rd or 5th page of this topic, aren't you?

In the past, as you probably know, the ones who fought for the kingdom (no matter which) got much more then just freedom.

The queen granted high ranks to some remarkable, bloody, merciless pirates. So, Prigozhin stands in a good company from historical point of view.

 

My remarks were only about that.

I don't have any objections to your other statements that Ukrainians are brave, willing to fight, liberated large territory etc.

 

 

I have no idea what your talking about, I'm not wondering about anything but don't let that stop you rambling

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, plus7 said:

Excuse me that I unexpectedly interrupted your song on the 200th page.

Consider Prigozin  as a Privateer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privateer

As I said, from a historical point of view, there is no difference.

 

I consider Prigozin to be exactly what he is, seeing you are keen on Wiki links here's the facts of who he is:

 

Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin[a] (Russian: Евге́ний Ви́кторович Приго́жин; born 1 June 1961) is a Russian oligarch[5] and close confidant of Russian president Vladimir Putin.[6] Prigozhin controls a network of companies including Wagner, a Russian state-backed mercenary group accused of war crimes in Africa, Syria, and Ukraine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Prigozhin

 

Although he was denying it, even attempting to sue the head of Bellingcat:

 

Lawyers for Putin’s ‘Chef’ Abandon Libel Case Against Bellingcat Founder

Yevgeny Prigozhin’s libel suit against investigative journalist Eliot Higgins is already off to a rough start. Prigozhin, 60, a catering magnate known as “Putin’s chef,” filed suit against Higgins, the founder of investigative website Bellingcat, in December after the news site published reports revealing Prigozhin’s close ties to the Kremlin and his work running the shady Wagner Group, a mercenary organization operating in conflicts in Ukraine, Africa, and the Middle East. 

 

 

 

[rudi49jr]

51 minutes ago, plus7 said:

How do you know?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1652045/putin-news-russia-ukraine-wagner-group-prisoners-murderers-troops-defence-latest

 

"Recruiters show interest in those convicted for murder and robbery. Those inmates in prison for drug and sex offences are normally not selected."

[rudi49jr]

56 minutes ago, plus7 said:

Excuse me that I unexpectedly interrupted your song on the 200th page.

Consider Prigozin  as a Privateer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privateer

As I said, from a historical point of view, there is no difference.

 

Sir (granted by the queen) Francis Drake, a privater, slave trader and so on has his own statue in Plymouth.

 

Privateers were quite common in those days, it's one of the reasons how a small country like The Netherlands could become the most powerful nation on the planet for quite a while.

But that was 400-500 years ago, times were a little different back then. Torturing prisoners to extract a confession was quite normal, for instance. Life was very cheap. Times have changed since then, however. The death penalty has been abolished in a lot of countries, torturing prisoners (or anyone else, for that matter) is frowned upon and going to war because a wannabe fascist dictator has delusions of grandeur is something most civilized countries strongly disapprove of. Apparently Putin doesn't care about all that, though, and wants to go back in time a couple of centuries. I feel sorry for Russia for having such an insane leader, and such a kleptocratic elite who care about nothing and no one, only about themselves, the size of their bank accounts and their giant ego.

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33 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1652045/putin-news-russia-ukraine-wagner-group-prisoners-murderers-troops-defence-latest

 

"Recruiters show interest in those convicted for murder and robbery. Those inmates in prison for drug and sex offences are normally not selected."

Generally, psychopaths don't play well with others. So, probably not the best human material tu turn into a soldier.

[rudi49jr]

38 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Generally, psychopaths don't play well with others. So, probably not the best human material tu turn into a soldier.

Not sure if I agree with you. Birds of a feather stick together. Just look at that Wagner group, I don’t think there’s a larger group of violent nutters and psycho’s in the world, and they seem to be doing quite well, so they apparently make it work somehow.

[rudi49jr]

President Zelensky said on Friday many Ukrainians were buried at various sites in the newly-recaptured northeast including whole families and people who were tortured, likening the aftermath to Russia’s withdrawal from near Kyiv months ago.

 

Zelensky: “Russia leaves only death and suffering. Murderers. Torturers.”

 

https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/09/16/zelensky-alleges-torture-and-war-crimes-evidence-in-recaptured-northeast

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.  Keep it civil.

 

[Seppius]

Emptying the prisons is a good idea, now there will be plenty of room for Putin and his cronies

[rudi49jr]

33 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Emptying the prisons is a good idea, now there will be plenty of room for Putin and his cronies

Prison is way too good for people like Putin and his cronies. Just dump them on one of the uninhabited islands in between Siberia and the North Pole and let the polar bears take care of them….

[Rimmer]

Mass exhumations at Izyum forest graves site

In a pine forest at the edge of Izyum the stench of death filled the air as a mass exhumation got under way.

 

The earth is giving up its secrets. Ukrainian officials believe war crimes have been committed, which they are determined to document.

Around 100 Ukrainian emergency service workers wearing blue plastic coverings dug into the earth, opening makeshift graves.

Read more:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62931224

 

[Rimmer]

Biden warns Putin not to use tactical nuclear weapons

 

US President Joe Biden has warned Russia not to use chemical or tactical nuclear weapons in the war in Ukraine.

 

Speaking during an interview with CBS News, Mr Biden said such action would "change the face of war unlike anything since World War Two".

 

He would not say what response the US would make to the use of such weapons.

 

Russian President Vladimir Putin put the country's nuclear forces on "special" alert following its invasion of Ukraine in February.

 

Read more:

https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-war-biden-warns-putin-044556777.html

 

 

[Mavideol]

and more "puzzle" pieces start to fall, I guess Vlad was not expected to be challenged when he decided to attend the Shanghai meeting, 1st was Xi and then Modi  555

China’s Xi to Putin: Our Friendship Has Limits. What That Could Mean for Oil Prices.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/china-xi-russia-putin-oil-prices-51663317400?siteid=yhoof2

Indian leader Narendra Modi tells Putin: Now is not the time for war

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/17/world/modi-putin-russia-ukraine-war-rebuke-intl-hnk/index.html

 

Edited September 17, 2022 by Mavideol

[Mavideol]

and the EU & US sanctions appear to start to bite hard

Sanctions hamper Russia's ability to make advanced weapons, NATO says

We now see the first serious signs of that in terms of their ability to produce, for example, the replacement of cruise missiles and more advanced weaponry," he added.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sanctions-hamper-russias-ability-advanced-125104720.html

[Mavideol]

anything should be expected from a maniacal lunatic as Vlad as the bad news keep pilling up on his desk

 

Team Putin Threatens Maniacal Response to Bitter War Losses

https://www.yahoo.com/news/team-putin-threatens-maniacal-response-084713615.html

Luhansk puppet authority “prosecutor general” killed in Luhansk

https://www.yahoo.com/news/luhansk-puppet-authority-prosecutor-general-152800508.html

Russian soldiers refused to complete their duty and expressed 'moral exhaustion,' and 'worsening' of health in 10 letters left behind in Izium, Ukraine, The Washington Post reported

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-soldiers-refused-complete-duty-004628639.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 17, 2022 by Mavideol

[Mavideol]

32 minutes ago, Rimmer said:

Biden warns Putin not to use tactical nuclear weapons

 

US President Joe Biden has warned Russia not to use chemical or tactical nuclear weapons in the war in Ukraine.

 

Speaking during an interview with CBS News, Mr Biden said such action would "change the face of war unlike anything since World War Two".

 

He would not say what response the US would make to the use of such weapons.

 

Russian President Vladimir Putin put the country's nuclear forces on "special" alert following its invasion of Ukraine in February.

 

Read more:

https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-war-biden-warns-putin-044556777.html

 

 

let's hope Biden doesn't do what Obama did (nothing) when Vlad crossed over the red line when invading Crimea

[Bkk Brian]

31 minutes ago, Rimmer said:

Biden warns Putin not to use tactical nuclear weapons

 

US President Joe Biden has warned Russia not to use chemical or tactical nuclear weapons in the war in Ukraine.

 

Speaking during an interview with CBS News, Mr Biden said such action would "change the face of war unlike anything since World War Two".

 

He would not say what response the US would make to the use of such weapons.

 

Russian President Vladimir Putin put the country's nuclear forces on "special" alert following its invasion of Ukraine in February.

 

Read more:

https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-war-biden-warns-putin-044556777.html

 

 

False flag?

 

Vladimir Putin said that Ukraine was trying to arrange terrorist attacks near Russia's nuclear facilities Attacking Russia's nuclear arsenal is a justification that the Kremlin cites for a potential nuclear strike

[Mavideol]

what should be the take,  out of Vlad's answer

Putin tells Modi he'll 'stop' the Ukraine invasion he ordered 'as soon as possible' after the Indian leader criticized Russia's war to his face

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-tells-modi-hell-stop-194411249.html

 

[rudi49jr]

14 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

what should be the take,  out of Vlad's answer

Putin tells Modi he'll 'stop' the Ukraine invasion he ordered 'as soon as possible' after the Indian leader criticized Russia's war to his face

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-tells-modi-hell-stop-194411249.html

 

He also said it’s all Ukraine’s fault it’s still going on, because Ukraine refuses to negotiate. 

[BarraMarra]

16 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Privateers were quite common in those days, it's one of the reasons how a small country like The Netherlands could become the most powerful nation on the planet for quite a while.

But that was 400-500 years ago, times were a little different back then. Torturing prisoners to extract a confession was quite normal, for instance. Life was very cheap. Times have changed since then, however. The death penalty has been abolished in a lot of countries, torturing prisoners (or anyone else, for that matter) is frowned upon and going to war because a wannabe fascist dictator has delusions of grandeur is something most civilized countries strongly disapprove of. Apparently Putin doesn't care about all that, though, and wants to go back in time a couple of centuries. I feel sorry for Russia for having such an insane leader, and such a kleptocratic elite who care about nothing and no one, only about themselves, the size of their bank accounts and their giant ego.

 

12 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

what should be the take,  out of Vlad's answer

Putin tells Modi he'll 'stop' the Ukraine invasion he ordered 'as soon as possible' after the Indian leader criticized Russia's war to his face

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-tells-modi-hell-stop-194411249.html

 

Err have we forgot Jo Ferrari the big Cheese police chief who was caught Torturing a drug suspect till he died Rudi49jnr. Still happening everywhere around the World.

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10 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

 

Err have we forgot Jo Ferrari the big Cheese police chief who was caught Torturing a drug suspect till he died Rudi49jnr. Still happening everywhere around the World.

And there was waterboarding by the CIA. And still in lots of other countries. But the huge scale of Russian torture and murder of POWs and civilians certainly sets it apart from its European neighbors and other economically advanced nations.

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

He also said it’s all Ukraine’s fault it’s still going on, because Ukraine refuses to negotiate. 

I know, it's always somebody else's fault but Vlad may be running out laborers 555

 

Russia ‘may not have sufficient reserves’ to withstand further Ukraine assault

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-withstand-ukraine-assault-kyiv-b2169298.html

 

[tgw]

3 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

He also said it’s all Ukraine’s fault it’s still going on, because Ukraine refuses to negotiate. 

I think Putin can stop it on his own - just leave Donbass and Crimea, then offer peace. I'm quite sure Ukraine would accept, even with those unfavourable terms, since it would let many war criminals go unpunished and Ukraine would probably only receive Russia's foreign assets that were seized earlier as reparations.

[Bkk Brian]

Damning assessment of the present situation Russia is in from Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin,  Russian army veteran and former Federal Security Service officer who played a key role in the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation, and later the war in Donbas as an organizer of militant groups in the Donetsk People's Republic.

 

 

[rudi49jr]

48 minutes ago, tgw said:

I think Putin can stop it on his own

I totally agree. I just repeated what Putin used as an excuse (it's all Ukraine's fault) to continue with his war of terror that is doomed to fail.

In the end, Putin is fully responsible for this senseless war, as well as for the countless war crimes being committed by the Russian army (and its allies, like the Wagner group and the pro-Russia militias in Donbass).

[rudi49jr]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has accused Russian forces previously occupying much of Ukraine's Kharkiv region of employing the widespread use of torture. At least 10 torture sites had now been discovered in the liberated eastern region, Zelensky said in his evening video address on Saturday.

Russia, of course, denies everything and calls it a smear campaign.

 

https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/09/18/zelensky-accuses-russian-fascists-of-torture-in-kharkiv-region

[Bkk Brian]

When it gets to the stage that Russia has to move its air defense systems from St Petersburg to Ukraine then you know they are desperate.

 

Exclusive: Russia moves missiles from St Petersburg to Ukraine

Satellite images obtained by Yle indicate that Russia has been moving a large number of anti-aircraft missiles toward Ukraine, including from as far away as St. Petersburg, one of the most crucial areas for Russian air defence.

The transfer of equipment has not previously been publicly reported in Russia or western countries.

St Petersburg—Russia's second-most important city—has long been surrounded by a protective ring of 14 anti-aircraft missile bases. Now several of them stand empty.

https://yle.fi/news/3-12626182

 

 

[Rimmer]

A flame and multiple off topic troll posts have been removed also replies 

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This  NY Times article has a link to this video of streetfighting in Kherson.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/18/world/ukraine-russia-war

Here's a direct link to the video in Telegram.

https://t.me/rybar/38968?single

There's nothing authoritative on who's doing the fighting, The Russians say their troops were attacking a nest of Ukrainian guerilla fighters. The Ukrainians say its 2 factions of Russian soldiers fighting over loot before they withdraw.

Edited September 18, 2022 by placeholder