Bkk Brian Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 25 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: I don't thing some of them are, to be frank we still don't what the actual situation is. France 24 is still showing film from 2 days ago. Whats france 24 showing a 2 day old film got to do with anything, they also have a live feed up to the minute https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220226-live-ukraine-vows-to-fight-on-as-kyiv-readies-for-russian-missile-attacks 2 minutes ago Ukraine claims to have expelled Russian troops from its second city Kharkiv in the east of the country after Russian armoured vehicles got through its defences. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, rudi49jr said: No, your POV is not neutral, as you keep repeating that Ukraine should surrender. How is that neutral? Meaning I'm neutral doesn't forbid a viewpoint. Edited February 27, 2022 by Kwasaki 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 This is interesting from the president of Ukraine. Any of the UK folks know what the "combat capabilities" reference below involves? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rudi49jr Posted February 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Kwasaki said: Meaning I'm neutral doesn't forbid a viewpoint. How about the viewpoint that the Russians should stop their criminal invasion and withdraw all their troops from Ukrainian territory? That would surely solve the situation, wouldn’t it? But somehow I have never seen you mention anything like that. Hmmm…. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 16 hours ago, rudi49jr said: How about the viewpoint that the Russians should stop their criminal invasion and withdraw all their troops from Ukrainian territory? That would surely solve the situation, wouldn’t it? But somehow I have never seen you mention anything like that. Hmmm…. why would I mention that I have no idea whether that would solve the situation. What will be will be and it's seems nobody knows anything of what's actually going happen yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rudi49jr Posted February 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2022 16 hours ago, Kwasaki said: why would I mention that I have no idea whether that would solve the situation. What will be will be and it's seems nobody knows anything of what's actually going happen yet. Either you really don’t have a clue what’s going on, or you’re being a shill, like someone already stated. I know what my money is on. Good luck with being ‘neutral’. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) Keep in mind thanks to Putin Ukraine is an active war zone. So as in any war, there is the fog of war. The odds are still overwhelming that Russia will meet its war goals followed by a resistance. I heard that Macron said today that could drag on for years. I said the same thing before. For Ukraine to win this initial war phase would be a miracle. Edited February 27, 2022 by Jingthing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chris.B Posted February 27, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2022 7 minutes ago.... Kharkiv is completely under control of Ukraine. - ZSU, National Police, Teroborona are cleaning the city from the enemy. - The enemy is demoralized. They throw away the equipment, they surrender themselves to a group of 5-10 people. Source: Land forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Putin, raising the rhetoric and scaremongering. Absolute nutcase! By ASSOCIATED PRESS | PUBLISHED: February 27, 2022 at 8:40 a.m. | UPDATED: February 27, 2022 KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — In a dramatic escalation of East-West tensions over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, President Vladimir Putin ordered Russian nuclear deterrent forces put on high alert Sunday in response to what he called “aggressive statements” by leading NATO powers. The order means Putin has ordered Russia’s nuclear weapons prepared for increased readiness to launch, raising the threat that the tensions could boil over into a nuclear war. In giving it, the Russian leader also cited hard-hitting financial sanctions imposed by the West against Russia, including Putin himself. https://www.readingeagle.com/2022/02/27/putin-puts-russias-nuclear-forces-on-alert-cites-sanctions/ 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted February 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Putin, raising the rhetoric and scaremongering. Absolute nutcase! By ASSOCIATED PRESS | PUBLISHED: February 27, 2022 at 8:40 a.m. | UPDATED: February 27, 2022 KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — In a dramatic escalation of East-West tensions over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, President Vladimir Putin ordered Russian nuclear deterrent forces put on high alert Sunday in response to what he called “aggressive statements” by leading NATO powers. The order means Putin has ordered Russia’s nuclear weapons prepared for increased readiness to launch, raising the threat that the tensions could boil over into a nuclear war. In giving it, the Russian leader also cited hard-hitting financial sanctions imposed by the West against Russia, including Putin himself. https://www.readingeagle.com/2022/02/27/putin-puts-russias-nuclear-forces-on-alert-cites-sanctions/ He's getting on. May as well take the rest of the world along for the ride I understand Russians being brainwashed by nationalism and propaganda but I can't understand the support he gets from westerners. So he's very dangerous now. Sounds like he feels that he's losing. Edited February 27, 2022 by Jingthing 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Just now, Jingthing said: He's getting on. May as well take the rest of the world along for the ride I understand Russians being brainwashed by nationalism and propaganda but I can't understand the support he gets from westerners. So he's very dangerous now. Sounds like he feels that he's losing. Yea, its not been as easy as he thought it was going to be, the BBC is also now carrying the nuke statement, additionally unverified reports of Belarus sending forces into Ukraine Reports suggest Belarus prepares to send its troops to Ukraine, joining Putin in war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jingthing said: He's getting on. May as well take the rest of the world along for the ride I understand Russians being brainwashed by nationalism and propaganda but I can't understand the support he gets from westerners. So he's very dangerous now. Sounds like he feels that he's losing. seeing how well Ukrainian forces are resisting, I wonder if the whole thing has not been planned as a bear trap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Russia anounces Strategic Nuclear forces put on "High Alert" !(BBC News) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tgw Posted February 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, CharlieH said: Russia anounces Strategic Nuclear forces put on "High Alert" !(BBC News) it's complete madness, they put it on high alert because Russia feels threatened in its "defensive war" it itself started abroad? Edited February 27, 2022 by tgw 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi49jr Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Just read that Ukraine and Russia will start negotiations on the Ukraine - Belarus border. Hope they can work something out before things get really out of hand, but somehow I doubt it. Putin will probably come with some crazy demands, like he has been doing from the start. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 15 hours ago, rudi49jr said: Just read that Ukraine and Russia will start negotiations on the Ukraine - Belarus border. Hope they can work something out before things get really out of hand, but somehow I doubt it. Putin will probably come with some crazy demands, like he has been doing from the start. From the Associated Press: "Around the same time as Putin’s nuclear move, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s office said on the Telegram messaging app that the two sides would meet at an unspecified location on the Belarusian border. The message did not give a precise time for the meeting. The announcement came hours after Russia announced that its delegation had flown to Belarus to await talks. Ukrainian officials initially rejected the move, saying any talks should take place elsewhere than Belarus, where Russia placed a large contingent of troops. Belarus was one of the places from where Russian troops entered Ukraine." https://www.readingeagle.com/2022/02/27/putin-puts-russias-nuclear-forces-on-alert-cites-sanctions/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saanim Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Kwasaki said: Ukraine reports 198 people killed, 1 is to many but seeing as it's a war that seems a low estimate of death. Ukraine reports over 4000 Russian solders killed it's a peculiar type of war so far. Haven't we been told that the Russians have 100,000 (140,000, 180,000, you name it) soldiers at the their border? Then, after all, the invasion is not so impressive, is it? Surprisingly, we did not hear any numbers of the Ukraine's armies. But somewhere was mentioned that Zelensky advising the remaining citizens to fill up bottles for Molotov cocktail. In that case, the results are pretty impressive, aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted February 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2022 30 minutes ago, CharlieH said: Russia anounces Strategic Nuclear forces put on "High Alert" !(BBC News) Because they can’t win a street battle. Utter hogwash. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saanim Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, rudi49jr said: Just read that Ukraine and Russia will start negotiations on the Ukraine - Belarus border. Hope they can work something out before things get really out of hand, but somehow I doubt it. Putin will probably come with some crazy demands, like he has been doing from the start. As a matter of fact, the negotiations were planned already for Friday and Zelensky first agreed (did we hear about that?). For that the Russians ceased the fighting. However, Zelensky - or somebody else - has changed his mind and refused to come. Now, as of Sunday afternoon, after Lukashenko's intervention to Zelensky, he agreed, however, not to Minsk (another Minsk No... and counting?) but to another town in Belarus Gomel. The Russians are there already, awaiting the UA delegation. This time the Russians remarked, the fighting will not be ceased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saanim Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 3 hours ago, tomyami said: Germany just upended it rules on sending arms to Ukraine and will increase its defence budget Last week it was a promise of only 5,000 helmets. The chancellor declared that they did not want to fuel the war from the well known historic reasons of German involvement in Ukraine/Russia (did we hear about taht here?). Wondering what (or who) changed his mind... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GroveHillWanderer Posted February 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Saanim said: Last week it was a promise of only 5,000 helmets. The chancellor declared that they did not want to fuel the war from the well known historic reasons of German involvement in Ukraine/Russia (did we hear about taht here?). Wondering what (or who) changed his mind... I would imagine it was Russia's brutal and unprovoked invasion of a neighboring democratic sovereign state. 4 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Saanim Posted February 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: I understand Russians being brainwashed by nationalism and propaganda Can you share with us where from you get your knowledge about brainwashing? 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Pie 47 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Ukraine Russia live updates: Putin makes dark order to nuclear forces https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-russia-live-updates-active-street-fighting-in-kyiv/news-story/5c3f7f40949380ef413b4e5afe165148 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 38 minutes ago, rudi49jr said: Just read that Ukraine and Russia will start negotiations on the Ukraine - Belarus border. Hope they can work something out before things get really out of hand, but somehow I doubt it. Putin will probably come with some crazy demands, like he has been doing from the start. Yeah he wants total surrender or nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthedarkside Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Numerous posts have been removed for not following the forum's basic rules regarding posting of news and related content. Here's a repeat of the pertinent rules posted earlier in this thread: --News and other factual content in posts needs to be clearly attributed to credible news sources, and include a weblink directly pointing to the actual source content. --Social media content is allowed in news topics, but typically only if the sources are credible news media or government type entities. And like above, must include a direct weblink to the source content. --The primary language of ASEAN NOW is English, so posted content must be in the English language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted February 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2022 Sounds like that SWIFT move is stronger than people might have thought. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi49jr Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Yeah he wants total surrender or nothing. Saw some of his bizar rants on TV, that Russia does not negotiate with drug addicts and neo-nazis, and so on and so forth. He looked completely off his rocker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted February 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, rudi49jr said: Saw some of his bizar rants on TV, that Russia does not negotiate with drug addicts and neo-nazis, and so on and so forth. He looked completely off his rocker. Some Putin watchers are saying something has fundamentally changed with him. Perhaps medical. But yeah, he appears to have transitioned from maybe a rational actor to DEFINITELY NOT. Edited February 27, 2022 by Jingthing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Say it IS so Joe, say it IS so: Gen. Keith Kellogg on Fox News: Putin Has 'Lost This War' (mediaite.com) Quote Retired General Makes Stunning Declaration on Fox News: Putin Has ‘Lost This War’ Of course the only downside is that Putin won't ever accept losing ... so ... nuke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi49jr Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Just now, Jingthing said: Say it IS so Joe, say it IS so: Gen. Keith Kellogg on Fox News: Putin Has 'Lost This War' (mediaite.com) Of course the only downside is that Putin won't ever accept losing ... so ... nuke. Hope his generals turn out to be more levelheaded than Putin and refuse to push the button. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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