ozimoron Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 So a criminal mercenary group may well take over Russia. Putin has put them into a fine mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rabas Posted June 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Video of a Russian Ka-52 helicopter just missing a hit from a Wagner Strela-10 SAM system by firing flares. This high speed SAM passes through the flares. VIDEO Two Russian helicopters bombed and destroyed a large oil depot in Voronezh to keep it from Wagner. VIDEO1, VIDEO2. Russian air strike on Wagner column on M4 highway. VIDEO Edit: Sorry, one more. Civilians welcoming Wagner in Rostov with food, explaining the pack is not open and presumably not poisoned. What a country. VIDEO Edited June 24, 2023 by rabas 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tgw Posted June 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2023 Russians are digging trenches ... in Moscow 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Somehow the Russian army and Wagner are going to cooperate in Ukraine? This is very good news for Ukraine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Somehow the Russian army and Wagner are going to cooperate in Ukraine? This is very good news for Ukraine. I don't understand your comment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthedarkside Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Putin looking for another bunker to hide in? https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672572256210374656 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi49jr Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 53 minutes ago, tgw said: Russians are digging trenches ... in Moscow Other Russians - the very rich ones - are apparently getting in their private jets and leaving Moscow in droves. The rats are abandoning the sinking ship…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchadian Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) BREAKINGWagner convoy seen in region south of Moscow Our BBC Verify team has verified a video showing a Wagner convoy of armed vehicles travelling on the M4 motorway, which links Voronezh and Moscow through the region of Lipetsk. The picture above is taken from the video. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142 Edited June 24, 2023 by anchadian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, anchadian said: BREAKINGWagner convoy seen in region south of Moscow Our BBC Verify team has verified a video showing a Wagner convoy of armed vehicles travelling on the M4 motorway, which links Voronezh and Moscow through the region of Lipetsk. The picture above is taken from the video. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142 Wagner's movements can be tracked on liveuamap https://liveuamap.com 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tgw Posted June 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2023 looks like they got a plan. Buturlinovka is another airbase. And Lipetsk has large airbase too. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Mist Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Trolling Video and a Meme Photo have been removed. Please adhere to the forum polices. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 hours ago, ozimoron said: So a criminal mercenary group may well take over Russia. Putin has put them into a fine mess. If it pushes them to leave Ukraine it's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Jingthing said: If it pushes them to leave Ukraine it's a good thing. Yet the country is full of sprawling resources and nuclear and biological weapons of mass destruction...a bad combination in the hands of Wagner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: Yet the country is full of sprawling resources and nuclear and biological weapons of mass destruction...a bad combination in the hands of Wagner. Let's get real. The Russian people would never have the balls to just storm the Kremlin themselves. Something had to give. I don't know if this coup will work, but even if it does, its impossible to predict what will happen after it does. What's the alternative? Waiting for Putin to nuke Ukraine and trigger a global nuclear war? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Lets put a spin on this Russia Coup https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/06/videos-russian-coup-attempt-underway-moscow-fortifying-leader-prigozhin-releases-video-taking-over-a-russian-military-hq/ In an audio recording broadcasted on Wagner’s social media on Friday, Prigozhin declared, “The malevolence that the country’s military leadership propagates needs to be eradicated. They have lost sight of justice, and we will ensure its return.” He added, “Those who dare to resist will be perceived as threats and promptly eliminated. This includes all checkpoints obstructing our path and any aircraft hovering overhead.” In the face of an apparent Russian coup underway, heightened security measures are being enforced across Moscow, with the spotlight shining on Yevgeny Prigozhin. As Moscow’s key facilities are secured by Russian soldiers aboard armored personnel carriers, high-ranking military officials with prior Wagner affiliations have appealed to the group’s soldiers, urging them to reconsider their actions. “The last thing we need is to unleash a real civil war inside the country. Come back to your senses,” urged Lt. Gen. Vladimir Alekseyev, the deputy chief of Russian military intelligence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said: Yet the country is full of sprawling resources and nuclear and biological weapons of mass destruction...a bad combination in the hands of Wagner. Yea end game for this is so difficult to predict. Unless the National Guard and other Russian Military Units side with Wagner surely this is doomed to failure? Even so it shows Putin has now lost control and is very vulnerable. Keeping my fingers crossed this really is just the start of his demise. Not that the murderer boss of Wagner is any better though but at least he is saying that invading Ukraine was based on a lies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 44 minutes ago, tgw said: looks like they got a plan. Buturlinovka is another airbase. And Lipetsk has large airbase too. Another image here from the BBC that shows just how close they are to Moscow and how quickly they got there. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Some more things to think about. A view from the Ukraine: https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-coup-underway-impossible-to-stop-ukraine-military-intel-2022-5?op=1 A coup to overthrow Russian President Vladimir Putin is underway and can't be stopped, according to Ukraine's military intelligence chief. Speaking to Sky News, Major General Kyrylo Budanov said that a Russian military defeat would result in Putin's removal and the country's eventual collapse. "It will eventually lead to the change of leadership of the Russian Federation," Budanov said, per Sky News. "This process has already been launched." Budanov said "yes" when pressed by Sky News international affairs editor Dominic Waghorn on if this means that a coup attempt is currently in motion. Edited June 24, 2023 by ThailandRyan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: Another image here from the BBC that shows just how close they are to Moscow and how quickly they got there. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142 Faster than it took Russia to try and reach Kiev..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 10 minutes ago... "A Reuters journalist saw army helicopters open fire at an armed Wagner column that was advancing past the city of Voronezh with troop carriers and at least one tank on a flatbed truck. The city is more than half way along the 680-mile highway from Rostov to Moscow". Russia coup latest: Russian helicopter gunships open fire on Wagner forces (telegraph.co.uk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Slip said: Looks like not all are in support: <snip for brevity/ repetition> Sorry to quote myself, but more of the same: Edited June 24, 2023 by Slip 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 29 minutes ago, Slip said: Sorry to quote myself, but more of the same: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Looking at Prigozhin's videos, at no point have I seen him attacking Putin. Instead he is against the Russian military leadership, who he accuses of "deceiving the president", and putting "false reports on the president's desk". He goes so as far to say that there are "two agendas, one on the ground, the other on the president's desk". It's like he thinks that he is coming to Putin's rescue, to save him from his incompetent, agenda seeking, military leaders, maybe with the aim of himself taking over as supreme commander of all Russian armed forces. Putin isn't going along with this though, accusing Wagner of treason, which puts the kibosh on the whole operation, but I wonder what will happen if Prigozhin does get the support of the rank and file military (which, granted, may be a tough ask given Wagner used them as cannon fodder to probe the Ukrainian line in Bakhmut)? Would all be forgiven between them, and Putin carries on as a figurehead president? There would be very little trust between the two I guess - certainly, in their meetings, neither would take the window seat or drink the tea - so more likely, Putin flees and Prigozhin takes it all should that be the path things take. Many commentators are predicting the "coup" will be crushed though - especially with the Chechans declaring for Putin, and claiming to be headed to intercept Wagner's march to Moscow - likening it to the failed effort to depose Boris Yeltsin, but it will at least hopefully weaken the Russian military should that be the outcome. But then what? Putin goes back to business as usual in Ukraine, with his conscript army backed up by Chechan fighters instead of Wagner, or does Russia inexorably fall along the pathway to becoming another Afghanistan, with rival warlords fighting it out for control? (Maybe the EU and NATO should be putting feelers out to St Petersburg and surroundings to break away from the failed Federation, declare independence, and join their organisations?) A very interesting time to be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post In the jungle Posted June 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2023 According to the BBC Vlad has left Moscow for Saint Petersburg. I guess that is where he keeps his spare underwear. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 20 minutes ago, In the jungle said: According to the BBC Vlad has left Moscow for Saint Petersburg. I guess that is where he keeps his spare underwear. Naa that’s were he keeps his spare jet to fly to mar largo to hang with Donnie and claim political asylum lol hope he gets rubbed out soon! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Tug said: Naa that’s were he keeps his spare jet to fly to mar largo to hang with Donnie and claim political asylum lol hope he gets rubbed out soon! He's trapped like a rat. There's an international arrest warrant out for him. Maybe Hungary or Serbia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The Russian Volunteer Corps releases video announcing that they are joining the coup. LINK English dub Heard on the net: It's not a coup, it's a Russian election ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, rabas said: The Russian Volunteer Corps releases video announcing that they are joining the coup. LINK English dub Heard on the net: It's not a coup, it's a Russian election ... It's a Special Eject Putin Operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BenStark Posted June 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, ballpoint said: Looking at Prigozhin's videos, at no point have I seen him attacking Putin. Instead he is against the Russian military leadership, who he accuses of "deceiving the president", and putting "false reports on the president's desk". The Wagner boss is a personal friend of Putin 1 hour ago, ballpoint said: Putin isn't going along with this though, accusing Wagner of treason That is what the Western press makes of it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, BenStark said: The Wagner boss is a personal friend of Putin Said with thick Natasha accent: Russian friends, kill each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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