Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[ElwoodP]

Two posts removed, if you don't like this thread start your own.

[khunphil]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

Just yesterday for eg, I set off for Pai from CM with about 95% charge. Had previously only ever done this trip in ICEVs.

Sorry if you said it already, just by curiosity, what car is it ?

[mistral53]

New entry into the Thai market: (copy and paste from a FB post)

 

'Changan launches a new car AVATR 11 (Avatar One One). There are 2 sub models.

Model Standard Range. Price 2,099,000 baht. Electric motor that drives 2 backs. Size 230 kW compared to horsepower 313 ps. Torque 370 Newton meters. Comes with a battery with a capacity of 90.38 kWh. It can run a distance of 575 kilometers according to NEDC standards.
Soft close door.
21“ max wheels

Model Long Range. Price 2,299,000 baht. Electric motor that drives 2 backs. Size 230 kW compared to horsepower 313 ps. Torque 370 newton meters comes with a battery capacity of 116.79 kWh. It can run 680 kilometers according to NEDC standards.
More equipment from the Standard Model.
Electric gate
22” max wheels
Brembo brakes

For the first 200 customers, there is a discount of 100,000 Baht.'

 

First real up-market entry from China. Very tempting with that massive battery - but where is the 4WD version?

 

https://avatr.co.th/en

 

Edited September 17 by mistral53

[DavisH]

8 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Be happy to know that EV's are about a dozen times LESS likely to catch fire than most ICE cars and 130 times LESS likely to catch fire than (say) a Toyota or Honda Hybrid.

Post the link for this statement. 

[Yellowtail]

9 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Post the link for this statement. 

 

[KhunLA]

39 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Post the link for this statement. 

Still posting on the wrong thread .... go here

 

Carry on ... 

[JBChiangRai]

1 hour ago, DavisH said:

Post the link for this statement. 

if you have read this thread, you would know it’s been posted several times already, however, as you’re someone a bit precious, I will post an updated link which is even better than I posted last year and then perhaps you will answer the question. I asked you earlier?

 

Data from the National Transportation Safety Board showed that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold.  Comparatively, approximately 1,530 gasoline-powered vehicles and 3,475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold.

 

https://community.vinfastauto.us/driving/the-fire-rate-of-electric-vehicles-is-61-times-lower-than-that-of-gasoline-vehicles/

 

 

[matchar]

ICE cars are more likely to catch fire while the engine is running but at least you don't have to worry about them catching fire while parked overnight.

 

https://www.dw.com/en/south-koreans-hit-the-brakes-on-evs-after-battery-fires/a-69978616

[JBChiangRai]

16 minutes ago, matchar said:

ICE cars are more likely to catch fire while the engine is running but at least you don't have to worry about them catching fire while parked overnight.

 

https://www.dw.com/en/south-koreans-hit-the-brakes-on-evs-after-battery-fires/a-69978616

 

Actually, they do catch fire when parked.

 

Typically, electrical fires trigger them.

[JBChiangRai]

On 9/16/2024 at 3:39 PM, DavisH said:

Because that is my requirement. 300-400K just doesn't cut it. Heck, my crv has an 800km+ range and usually refill at 600-700K. Why settle for a pathetic 300+K. EV's are supposed to be better right? So why settle for less?

 

On 9/16/2024 at 3:42 PM, JBChiangRai said:

 

Are you saying you drive 600-700k without a break?  Or are you saying you make journeys every day but only go to the dino juice store every 600-700k?

 

@DavisH I'm still waiting for your answer

[Gweiloman]

21 hours ago, khunphil said:

Sorry if you said it already, just by curiosity, what car is it ?

BYD Dolphin extended range version.

[KhunLA]

😎

Edited September 18 by KhunLA

[Bandersnatch]

I created this discussion to help those who were considering buying an EV in Thailand but still had concerns and questions. I hoped that those of us who already owned EVs here would be able to answer questions about the reality of owning an EV in Thailand.  

 

Instead this discussion has turned into a battle. I still don’t understand why people with no interest in buying an EV spend so much time and effort trying to convince those of who own EVs that every we say about EVs is wrong.

 

I think maybe the problem is that for some people the less they actually know about a subject the more of an expert they think they are. As Aristotle famously wrote, "The more you know, the more you realize you don't know." 

 

“A new survey conducted by YouGov has showed that belief in EV myths is holding back adoption, with most petrol car drivers scoring just a 2/10 in a quiz about how electric cars work.

 

The survey found that misinformation is alive and well and particularly among drivers who haven’t driven an EV.

 

Out of the petrol drivers surveyed, a majority of them, 57%, were only able to answer 2 out of 10 questions correctly, and 90% got less than half correct”

 

https://electrek.co/2024/09/04/ignorance-of-how-evs-work-is-holding-back-uptake-says-survey/

[KhunLA]

42 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

“A new survey conducted by YouGov has showed that belief in EV myths is holding back adoption, with most petrol car drivers scoring just a 2/10 in a quiz about how electric cars work.

 

Out of the petrol drivers surveyed, a majority of them, 57%, were only able to answer 2 out of 10 questions correctly, and 90% got less than half correct”

 

https://electrek.co/2024/09/04/ignorance-of-how-evs-work-is-holding-back-uptake-says-survey/

Far more intelligent than the trolls on AN ... 

[JBChiangRai]

2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

I created this discussion to help those who were considering buying an EV in Thailand but still had concerns and questions. I hoped that those of us who already owned EVs here would be able to answer questions about the reality of owning an EV in Thailand.  

 

Instead this discussion has turned into a battle. I still don’t understand why people with no interest in buying an EV spend so much time and effort trying to convince those of who own EVs that every we say about EVs is wrong.

 

I think maybe the problem is that for some people the less they actually know about a subject the more of an expert they think they are. As Aristotle famously wrote, "The more you know, the more you realize you don't know." 

 

“A new survey conducted by YouGov has showed that belief in EV myths is holding back adoption, with most petrol car drivers scoring just a 2/10 in a quiz about how electric cars work.

 

The survey found that misinformation is alive and well and particularly among drivers who haven’t driven an EV.

 

Out of the petrol drivers surveyed, a majority of them, 57%, were only able to answer 2 out of 10 questions correctly, and 90% got less than half correct”

 

https://electrek.co/2024/09/04/ignorance-of-how-evs-work-is-holding-back-uptake-says-survey/

 

The principle you’re referring to is known as psychological reactance. This concept suggests that when people perceive their freedom to choose is being restricted, they are likely to resist and do the opposite of what is being advocated. The more you argue or push someone to change their mind, the more they might dig in their heels and resist.

 

This principle is widely recognized in psychology and is used to explain why people sometimes react negatively to persuasion attempts. It can be seen in various contexts, such as in marketing, negotiations, and personal relationships.

 

 

[Fruit Trader]

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

The principle you’re referring to is known as psychological reactance. This concept suggests that when people perceive their freedom to choose is being restricted, they are likely to resist and do the opposite of what is being advocated. The more you argue or push someone to change their mind, the more they might dig in their heels and resist.

 

This principle is widely recognized in psychology and is used to explain why people sometimes react negatively to persuasion attempts. It can be seen in various contexts, such as in marketing, negotiations, and personal relationships.

 

 

 

 

The ten dichotomous questions from said survey are listed below, 1 and 7 received the most desirable response.

UK ECIU SURVEY

1. The total upfront costs for an EV are higher than a petrol car

2. The total lifetime CO2 emissions of an EV (from building, driving and scrapping) are no less than those of a petrol car

3. More natural resources are extracted from the earth to build and fuel an EV than are extracted to build and fuel a petrol car

4. EVs pose a threat to the structural integrity of the UK’s car parks

5. EVs are more likely to catch fire than petrol cars

6. EVs are no better for urban air quality than petrol cars

7. The UK is not on course to install the charging infrastructure it will need to make the transition to EVs

8. EV drivers currently pay more for their insurance than petrol car drivers

9. The UK’s grid will not be able to cope with the extra demand that will be created by the UK’s shift to EVs

10. Switching to EV’s will weaken the UK’s energy independence

 

 

[motdaeng]

2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

I created this discussion to help those who were considering buying an EV in Thailand but still had concerns and questions. I hoped that those of us who already owned EVs here would be able to answer questions about the reality of owning an EV in Thailand.  

 

Instead this discussion has turned into a battle. I still don’t understand why people with no interest in buying an EV spend so much time and effort trying to convince those of who own EVs that every we say about EVs is wrong.

 

I think maybe the problem is that for some people the less they actually know about a subject the more of an expert they think they are. As Aristotle famously wrote, "The more you know, the more you realize you don't know." 

 

“A new survey conducted by YouGov has showed that belief in EV myths is holding back adoption, with most petrol car drivers scoring just a 2/10 in a quiz about how electric cars work.

 

The survey found that misinformation is alive and well and particularly among drivers who haven’t driven an EV.

 

Out of the petrol drivers surveyed, a majority of them, 57%, were only able to answer 2 out of 10 questions correctly, and 90% got less than half correct”

 

https://electrek.co/2024/09/04/ignorance-of-how-evs-work-is-holding-back-uptake-says-survey/

 

very well written, thank you!

 

i see myself in the saying, "the more you know, the more you realize you don't know."

 

for a while now, i've been looking to replace one of our cars, and i happened to discover electric mobility by chance. also thanks to the many interesting questions and discussions in this forum, i've been able to get a solid understanding of the topic. i truly appreciate the endless efforts of ev owners who take the time to answer questions from those interested in ev's.

 

no one is forced to buy an ev, and ev's are not for everyone ... 

[JBChiangRai]

5 minutes ago, Fruit Trader said:

 

 

The ten dichotomous questions from said survey are listed below, 1 and 7 received the most desirable response.

UK ECIU SURVEY

1. The total upfront costs for an EV are higher than a petrol car

2. The total lifetime CO2 emissions of an EV (from building, driving and scrapping) are no less than those of a petrol car

3. More natural resources are extracted from the earth to build and fuel an EV than are extracted to build and fuel a petrol car

4. EVs pose a threat to the structural integrity of the UK’s car parks

5. EVs are more likely to catch fire than petrol cars

6. EVs are no better for urban air quality than petrol cars

7. The UK is not on course to install the charging infrastructure it will need to make the transition to EVs

8. EV drivers currently pay more for their insurance than petrol car drivers

9. The UK’s grid will not be able to cope with the extra demand that will be created by the UK’s shift to EVs

10. Switching to EV’s will weaken the UK’s energy independence

 

 

 

Almost a quarter of ICE drivers got none of the answers correct.

 

• Nearly two-thirds (62%) of petrol drivers believe it’s more expensive to own and run an EV, with only 14% correctly recognising that EVs are typically cheaper. A report from ECIU found that the drivers of the top 10 selling petrol cars of 2023 can find themselves paying a petrol premium of £700 a year in running costs, compared to an equivalent electric car.
• 41% of petrol drivers incorrectly think that EVs are more likely to catch fire than petrol cars, with only 24% correct in their understanding that they are less likely to catch fire. Evidence from EV Fire Safe indicated that EVs are more than 80 times less likely to catch fire than petrol or diesel cars.
• More than half (59%) of petrol drivers thought the UK’s electricity grid “will not be able to cope” with the UK’s shift to EVs, whereas only one in five (20%) correctly identified this statement as false. The National Grid has explicitly labelled this a ‘myth’ and is clear that the power system will be able to cope with millions more EVs in the UK.
• 80% of petrol drivers think the UK is not on course to install the charging infrastructure it needs, despite the country being ahead of schedule to hit its target of 300,000 chargers on the UK’s roads by 2030.
• More drivers (35%) incorrectly believed that an EV’s lifetime CO2 emissions are no less than those of a petrol car than correctly identified this statement as false (32%). An EV being driven in the UK produces three times less lifetime CO2 emissions that an equivalent petrol or diesel car.

Though there were a few questions that drivers answered right more than they answered wrong:

• 37% recognized that more EVs running on British renewable electricity would make the UK more energy independent than relying on increasing imports of oil and petrol. 29% agreed with the incorrect statement that EVs would weaken the UK’s energy independence.
• 54% correctly disagreed with the statement that EVs are not better for urban air quality than petrol cars. Only 28% believed this statement to be true.
• More petrol drivers (39%) correctly disagreed with the statement that EVs pose a threat to the structural integrity of the UK’s car parks than incorrectly agreed with it (33%).

[marino28]

Gentlemen, I don't know about you, but there are so many news, updates, models, etc. coming out that it's starting to get complicated to follow everything. Not much in Thailand yet, but in China, it's a continuous stream of new models, restyling, etc…

[Bandersnatch]

32 minutes ago, marino28 said:

Gentlemen, I don't know about you, but there are so many news, updates, models, etc. coming out that it's starting to get complicated to follow everything. Not much in Thailand yet, but in China, it's a continuous stream of new models, restyling, etc…

Definitely true.

 

I own a BYD and an MG. Having an extensive dealership network was high up on my criteria list.

 

 

 

[khunphil]

6 hours ago, marino28 said:

Gentlemen, I don't know about you, but there are so many news, updates, models, etc. coming out that it's starting to get complicated to follow everything. Not much in Thailand yet, but in China, it's a continuous stream of new models, restyling, etc…

But it seems that new models are more high end, suv,.. I would like to see new Neta/Ora competitors 😎

[vinny41]

11 hours ago, khunphil said:

But it seems that new models are more high end, suv,.. I would like to see new Neta/Ora competitors 😎

There a  motorshow in Nov/Dec and another one in March/April most brands will be holding back on announcing models until then

[ExpatOilWorker]

When the subsidies stops, the buying stops.

EV sales are down by 69% in Germany.

Once the Thai government gets tired of paying for the EV party and the manufacturers fun out of ammunition in the price war, we will see a similar trend here.

 

[JBChiangRai]

29 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

When the subsidies stops, the buying stops.

EV sales are down by 69% in Germany.

Once the Thai government gets tired of paying for the EV party and the manufacturers fun out of ammunition in the price war, we will see a similar trend here.

 

 

You're wrong, I'm glad to see you're not breaking the habit of a lifetime.

[Bandersnatch]

EA Anywhere has a new app

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/BKrouB3mFMbAKDPm/

 

 

[vinny41]

4 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

When the subsidies stops, the buying stops.

EV sales are down by 69% in Germany.

Once the Thai government gets tired of paying for the EV party and the manufacturers fun out of ammunition in the price war, we will see a similar trend here.

 

Great Wall Motors boss Narong Sitalayan resigns after 4 years of fighting EVs

“At first, the company had a price reduction promotion, sales were quite good. But when they chose to use GREAT DEAL, which reduced prices more than any other deal, cutting prices from 200,000 to 400,000 baht at once, sales stopped,” said a source from a Great Wall dealer

 However, in 2024, sales continued to shrink, with sales in August of only 310 cars and total sales for the first 7 months of only 4,799 cars, down almost 50% from the same period https://www.matichon.co.th/economy/news_4799851

I Don't understand why larger discounts would reduce sales

[metisdead]

An off topic deflection post about EV fires has been removed.  The topic about electric vehicle fires is here:

 

ICEV & EV Fires ... worldwide

[JeffersLos]

On 9/17/2024 at 6:31 PM, mistral53 said:

New entry into the Thai market: (copy and paste from a FB post)

 

'Changan launches a new car AVATR 11 (Avatar One One). There are 2 sub models.

Model Standard Range. Price 2,099,000 baht. Electric motor that drives 2 backs. Size 230 kW compared to horsepower 313 ps. Torque 370 Newton meters. Comes with a battery with a capacity of 90.38 kWh. It can run a distance of 575 kilometers according to NEDC standards.
Soft close door.
21“ max wheels

Model Long Range. Price 2,299,000 baht. Electric motor that drives 2 backs. Size 230 kW compared to horsepower 313 ps. Torque 370 newton meters comes with a battery capacity of 116.79 kWh. It can run 680 kilometers according to NEDC standards.
More equipment from the Standard Model.
Electric gate
22” max wheels
Brembo brakes

For the first 200 customers, there is a discount of 100,000 Baht.'

 

First real up-market entry from China. Very tempting with that massive battery - but where is the 4WD version?

 

https://avatr.co.th/en

 

 

That interior is the ugliest I've ever seen. 🤣😅

 

How wide are those back tires, 3 inches? 😂

[Pib]

2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

EA Anywhere has a new app

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/BKrouB3mFMbAKDPm/

 

 

 

Thanks.  As I use Android I downloaded/installed it from Google Play vs the link in the Facebook image. 

 

Google Play shows the new app  being added 18 Sep 2024.   After installing it from Google Play I used my logon credentials that I used for the original app and I was kinda expecting a rejection along the lines of needing to register again, but it accepted my logon credentials and also sent me  OTP to confirm/complete the logon.  

 

And all info from the original app such as my EV info, payment card number (redacted), my current Wallet amount of a little over one hundred baht, and all the other info from the original app  was indeed showing in the new app.   So, all the info does automatically transfer over from the old app to the new app.   

 

Now you can still use the old app at least for now BUT when your log into the new app it will log you out of the old app.  If you log into the old app it will log you out of the new app.  Can't be logged into both at the same time.

 

Anyway, the new app is indeed available for download from Google Play (see below).  A little strange they just didn't update the original app via Google Play "automatic" update vs creating a new, separate app.  Maybe it has something to do with EA Anywhere financial challenges it has been experiencing regarding some bond payments coming due....you can google it and find articles about this like on the Bangkok Post.  Or maybe it just a technical issue with this app that required a new, separate app vs just automatic update of the old/original app.   

 

Link to new app on Google Play   

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=evapp.eaanywhere&hl=en

 

 

Edited September 19 by Pib

[mistral53]

1 hour ago, JeffersLos said:

 

That interior is the ugliest I've ever seen. 🤣😅

 

How wide are those back tires, 3 inches? 😂

 

That is a new one for me - normally, men look at their 3 inch willy and claim some fantastically exaggerated multiplication of said number - conversely, here we have over 10 inches of tire width, and you saw 3 inches...... ah well, I guess that is why it's called perception, and yours fooled you with the interior, and continued with the tires