On 5/31/2026 at 2:19 PM, motdaeng said:

your AI is wrong, BYD thailand gives lifetime battery warranty limited not exceed 50,000 km per year ...

No, his AI was right and you are reading the China domestic restrictions and if you look at the Thailand restriction a couple paragraphs above it states:
Hidden Operational Limits: Many of these warranties contain strict utilization limits. For example, Changan's framework caps annual mileage at 50,000 km

I think I'm going to buy a BYD in the next 4 months but their warranties are too restrictive IMO. Too many escape clauses but in the end I don't see how to get around this small print and still want BYD because of the range the ATTO(extended range) and SEAL offer as well as LFP batteries (don't like nmc). I live in an area that I travel long distances without EV stations.

I have asked chatgpt and then claude using chatgpt's input to come up with 2 infographics on:

1) what is the current state of the 30@30 EV goals

2) which corridors have a lack of DC fast chargers and where the government need to prioritize in charging infra

https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/78e209f6-b453-4d9a-af0c-9f0782a6f3e7
https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/8cd62b98-82d7-4978-8606-fb94682ab3fb

On 8/2/2026 at 11:47 AM, atpeace said:

Too many escape clauses but in the end I don't see how to get around this small print and still want BYD because of the range the ATTO(extended range) and SEAL offer as well as LFP batteries (don't like nmc). I live in an area that I travel long distances without EV stations.

I would not recommend the Atto3 if you travel long distances, the Seal on the other hand is much better from the public opinions and aerodynamics.

the atto3 60kWh battery is not that big, a 70-80kWh is much much better.

for example, my atto3 already lost 11% of battery Health, after only 3 years! so my battery now is effectively a 53 kWh battery and will go down to 48-50kWh in 2-3 more years.

if you start at 75kWh, in 10 years you might be at 66kWh, which is still okayish...

Right now the Atto3 is at the service center since this morning, and it will take 2-3 days maybe:

• First, the front wheel and suspension need alignment, the car keeps going to the right if I don't hold the steering wheel, driving more than 100km/h is a NO GO for this car right now. it's not good, not sure how this happened.

• Second, the car still cannot Fast charge as it should. Fast charging is limited to 30-45kW only, but should be 80-84kW. The battery still overheats very quickly. This time, in the new Service center, the manager is very nice, he really understood my problem and agree to do a deep analysis. the other 3 times, it was done at this small center near me that nobody had a clue except this one same engineer that couldn't give me much. btw, I never saw again 88kW on this car since last bangkok trip that kill it, maximum when lucky if totally cold would be 82kW, most of the time 30-45 kW

• And finally, they will update the OS of the car, since I have been stuck on the factory OS from 2022.

Edited Monday at 09:48 AM3 days by brfsa2

On 8/2/2026 at 12:54 PM, 4myr said:

I have asked chatgpt and then claude using chatgpt's input to come up with 2 infographics on:

1) what is the current state of the 30@30 EV goals

2) which corridors have a lack of DC fast chargers and where the government need to prioritize in charging infra

https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/78e209f6-b453-4d9a-af0c-9f0782a6f3e7
https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/8cd62b98-82d7-4978-8606-fb94682ab3fb

very nice work, amazing what Claude can do now a days.

60% of the 15k connectors are DC, 40% are AC, but better than nothing eh?

Most are concentrated in Bangkok, and in the south it is an issue with fast DC chargers. some are broken, most are 120kW and the queue can be long, you have to book, then we get idiots with their selfish behavior that makes sharing public chargers not so smooth.

The leg between bangkok and hua hin, shouldn't be an issue, Hua hin has some really large charging stations with many ports and 180-360kW, so does bangkok.

The only problem are those cars that can reach 220km range. my atto 3 is 220km range on highway now :D

Edited Monday at 09:59 AM3 days by brfsa2

2 hours ago, brfsa2 said:

I would not recommend the Atto3 if you travel long distances, the Seal on the other hand is much better from the public opinions and aerodynamics.

the atto3 60kWh battery is not that big, a 70-80kWh is much much better.

for example, my atto3 already lost 11% of battery Health, after only 3 years! so my battery now is effectively a 53 kWh battery and will go down to 48-50kWh in 2-3 more years.

if you start at 75kWh, in 10 years you might be at 66kWh, which is still okayish...

Right now the Atto3 is at the service center since this morning, and it will take 2-3 days maybe:

• First, the front wheel and suspension need alignment, the car keeps going to the right if I don't hold the steering wheel, driving more than 100km/h is a NO GO for this car right now. it's not good, not sure how this happened.

• Second, the car still cannot Fast charge as it should. Fast charging is limited to 30-45kW only, but should be 80-84kW. The battery still overheats very quickly. This time, in the new Service center, the manager is very nice, he really understood my problem and agree to do a deep analysis. the other 3 times, it was done at this small center near me that nobody had a clue except this one same engineer that couldn't give me much. btw, I never saw again 88kW on this car since last bangkok trip that kill it, maximum when lucky if totally cold would be 82kW, most of the time 30-45 kW

• And finally, they will update the OS of the car, since I have been stuck on the factory OS from 2022.

Great info! I camp quite often and was thinking the ATTO would be better than the seal. The loss of battery health seems extremely excessive! I researched online and owners never expressed battery health as an issue. That Blade tech was always a marketing gimmick but I expected the battery to hold up as well as other LFP batteries.

Other than fixing the current issues, what other problems have you had? I'm a little bummed - it seemed like a good fit. MG is less expensive but the extended range use NMC batteries and I'm not interested.

3 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Other than fixing the current issues, what other problems have you had? I'm a little bummed - it seemed like a good fit. MG is less expensive but the extended range use NMC batteries and I'm not interested.

The other issue with the Atto3 I have:
- space: it is not great for me, i have long legs and it's the front chairs give me back pain, I have large back. Back seats are good to be honest.

- The range is great when you drive under 95km/h, and it's it is really bad at 115-120+
- I had a few issues here and there, but it was handled fine, my atto3 is china built, latest thai build are of better quality and probably better cooling. My atto3 cooling system looks different from the Thai version.

Wife bought it, as she needed an EV that time, also not many choices 3-4 years ago.

Newer NMC are not bad, according to most AI I have asked.

like the 100kWh NMC on the MG IM5, is a "Single Cathode" NMC battery made by CATL, very latest tech, that does not degrade as fast as the older NMC, such as the one in the Tesla Long Range models. it will degrade, but very slowly if I keep under 80% most of the time. Also this battery allows the IM5 to be charged at 396kW at 800V. it's quite amazing, to go to a Shell 180kW and top that battery at 180kw all the way to 85%, so quickly, it's awesome!

So, NMC batteries tech is pretty good now on the high end cars, while LFP is more budget friendly. BYD Blade 2.0 is LFP, but not in Thailand.

You will see many high spec 800V Cars with NMC batteries.

NMC requires you to religiously keep it under 80-90%, and only go to 100% when you need for a long trip of once every few months.

If you are ok with this, NMC is a good option, if not, stick with LFP, it's just simpler and easier with the technical limitations.

Edited Monday at 12:53 PM3 days by brfsa2

31 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I camp quite often

since you camp often, V2L is going to be important for you, pretty sure you know, if you dont,. it' Vehicle to Load, allowing you to use the car as 220V source for appliances like a water boiler, coffee machine, microwave, TV, etc.

you want a car that can go whole night with V2L, at least 2.2kW, 3.3-6.6kW is better.

The Atto3 has V2L for 2200 Watt, and it will stop when battery reach 15%.

it's ok as long as you dont go over 1800Watt.

for example,. the atto3 with 60kWh battery, you reach your camping site with 50% battery, now you have only 35% available to V2L, which is 20kWh, that allow you to use 1kW for 20 hours or 2-3 nights...

Edited Monday at 01:11 PM3 days by brfsa2

17 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

The other issue with the Atto3 I have:
- space: it is not great for me, i have long legs and it's the front chairs give me back pain, I have large back. Back seats are good to be honest.

- The range is great when you drive under 95km/h, and it's it is really bad at 115-120+
- I had a few issues here and there, but it was handled fine, my atto3 is china built, latest thai build are of better quality and probably better cooling. My atto3 cooling system looks different from the Thai version.

Wife bought it, as she needed an EV that time, also not many choices 3-4 years ago.

Newer NMC are not bad, according to most AI I have asked.

like the 100kWh NMC on the MG IM5, is a "Single Cathode" NMC battery made by CATL, very latest tech, that does not degrade as fast as the older NMC, such as the one in the Tesla Long Range models. it will degrade, but very slowly if I keep under 80% most of the time. Also this battery allows the IM5 to be charged at 396kW at 800V. it's quite amazing, to go to a Shell 180kW and top that battery at 180kw all the way to 85%, so quickly, it's awesome!

So, NMC batteries tech is pretty good now on the high end cars, while LFP is more budget friendly. BYD Blade 2.0 is LFP, but not in Thailand.

You will see many high spec 800V Cars with NMC batteries.

NMC requires you to religiously keep it under 80-90%, and only go to 100% when you need for a long trip of once every few months.

If you are ok with this, NMC is a good option, if not, stick with LFP, it's just simpler and easier with the technical limitations.

Thanks for taking the time to post this and good info. I prefer to not micromanage the battery and charge to 100% at home. I also have LFP batteries powering the house and have been messing with them for 7 years so I have my biases :) I'm not tall or big (179cm-73 kilos) so the front seat should be fine.

15 hours ago, brfsa2 said:

very nice work, amazing what Claude can do now a days.

60% of the 15k connectors are DC, 40% are AC, but better than nothing eh?

Most are concentrated in Bangkok, and in the south it is an issue with fast DC chargers. some are broken, most are 120kW and the queue can be long, you have to book, then we get idiots with their selfish behavior that makes sharing public chargers not so smooth.

The leg between bangkok and hua hin, shouldn't be an issue, Hua hin has some really large charging stations with many ports and 180-360kW, so does bangkok.

The only problem are those cars that can reach 220km range. my atto 3 is 220km range on highway now :D

I don’t agree on difficulties charging.

We recently completed a 4,000km road trip starting in Chiang Rai and down to Khao Lak and back.

We never experienced any broken chargers, the vast majority of PTT’s have chargers on the main roads and we never had to wait, mostly they were vacant on both ports. There was one occupied and we didn’t stop but went on to the next one.

We never booked and it convinced me the charging network is excellent and needs no planning when undertaking a long trip.

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I don’t agree on difficulties charging.

We recently completed a 4,000km road trip starting in Chiang Rai and down to Khao Lak and back.

We never experienced any broken chargers, the vast majority of PTT’s have chargers on the main roads and we never had to wait, mostly they were vacant on both ports. There was one occupied and we didn’t stop but went on to the next one.

We never booked and it convinced me the charging network is excellent and needs no planning when undertaking a long trip.

where I live, 2 out 6 heads (ptt) near me are broken for months. there is one station super near me that I wish they had it fixed, but PTT seems to have forgotten that one. such a pity.

If I need to charge any morning or lunch time, must book, always busy most mornings and afternoons.

The Shell 180kW with 2 guns, had only 1 was functioning and it's been fixed, took them some months.

You did a single trip to south, so your experience does not reflect the same as someone who actually lives here in the south and need to charge every day.

15 hours ago, atpeace said:

Thanks for taking the time to post this and good info. I prefer to not micromanage the battery and charge to 100% at home. I also have LFP batteries powering the house and have been messing with them for 7 years so I have my biases :) I'm not tall or big (179cm-73 kilos) so the front seat should be fine.

No worry, happy to share and help others make informed decisions.

Bro, at your 179cm, definitely sit and test drive the Atto3!

between me and my wife driving it, if she drove last, I cant even get it on the atto3 before adjusting the seat all the way to the back, that's how tight it is.

I've seen the latest Atto3 minor change made in Thailand, and it looks good, it's probably a great car now after ironing out all the minor issues like mine had. Chinese do improve QA at the factory when they find issues.

But... the newest released Atto3 in china is so much better, if you get the Atto3 today and in December the new one comes (which I dont believe will come) not sure how you gonna feel about that, because the difference is not small (motor, battery, car size, charging).

Now a days there so many options to choose from, even Cherry seems to be gaining huge traction in here and in China too.

2 hours ago, brfsa2 said:

No worry, happy to share and help others make informed decisions.

Bro, at your 179cm, definitely sit and test drive the Atto3!

between me and my wife driving it, if she drove last, I cant even get it on the atto3 before adjusting the seat all the way to the back, that's how tight it is.

I've seen the latest Atto3 minor change made in Thailand, and it looks good, it's probably a great car now after ironing out all the minor issues like mine had. Chinese do improve QA at the factory when they find issues.

But... the newest released Atto3 in china is so much better, if you get the Atto3 today and in December the new one comes (which I dont believe will come) not sure how you gonna feel about that, because the difference is not small (motor, battery, car size, charging).

Now a days there so many options to choose from, even Cherry seems to be gaining huge traction in here and in China too.

You got me thinking. I think a "used" Seal as bridge car would be a good fit. You mentioned your range isn't great and the Seal would fix that issue. I can probably pick up the premium version (82 kWh) with only RWD for around 640k with 40-60k on the odometer. It would fit my range needs perfectly and the RWD gets better range than the AWD. Ultimately I want to buy a an EV truck and my retirement accounts will be available (IRA- American) and social security if I choose around 2030. I would be in a better liquidity situation to splurge and get a nice EV truck.

I was at a running event last year and someone was camping with their Seal and sleeping in it. I don't need much to be comfortable and it was an OK setup. If it wasn't for the terrible range, I probably would just keep driving my Neta V which has been a great car on my trips.

2 hours ago, atpeace said:

You got me thinking. I think a "used" Seal as bridge car would be a good fit. You mentioned your range isn't great and the Seal would fix that issue. I can probably pick up the premium version (82 kWh) with only RWD for around 640k with 40-60k on the odometer. It would fit my range needs perfectly and the RWD gets better range than the AWD. Ultimately I want to buy a an EV truck and my retirement accounts will be available (IRA- American) and social security if I choose around 2030. I would be in a better liquidity situation to splurge and get a nice EV truck.

I was at a running event last year and someone was camping with their Seal and sleeping in it. I don't need much to be comfortable and it was an OK setup. If it wasn't for the terrible range, I probably would just keep driving my Neta V which has been a great car on my trips.

Be sure to consider warranty provisions in the buying decision. That used Seal would only come with its "basic" 8 yr/160,000km warranty even if the person who owned it had a "lifetime" warranty as a BYD "lifetime" warranty can only be transferred to a legal spouse/children. And hopefully the required Km/periodic warranty checkups for the basic warranty were complied with otherwise the basic warranty might be impacted.

A lifetime warranty is definitely nice to have if you plan to keep the EV past its basic warranty period, want to pass it along with a warranty to one of your children, etc. Each person will be different as to how important a lifetime warranty is.....some folks only keep cars for a few years....others keep cars for many years.

Peeked at the GAC Aion UT at the mall today. Very nice at that price point, starting @ ฿519k.

Then there is the MG Urban now @ ฿549k, and come with a better LifeTime warranty. Two nice options, and pretty hard to beat if budget challenged, or not even. I still need SUV, even if just silly B class 🙄

Edited Tuesday at 11:07 AM2 days by KhunLA

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Peeked at the GAC Aion UT at the mall today. Very nice at that price point, starting @ ฿519k.

Then there is the MG Urban now @ ฿549k, and come with a better LifeTime warranty. Two nice options, and pretty hard to beat if budget challenged, or not even. I still need SUV, even if just silly B class 🙄

There is also the Dolphin which is a pretty nice deal, my young in-law got the basic dolphin at 459,000 baht last December motorshow. I drove it and it's fine, agile and firm.

On 8/4/2026 at 2:51 PM, atpeace said:

You got me thinking. I think a "used" Seal as bridge car would be a good fit. You mentioned your range isn't great and the Seal would fix that issue. I can probably pick up the premium version (82 kWh) with only RWD for around 640k with 40-60k on the odometer. It would fit my range needs perfectly and the RWD gets better range than the AWD. Ultimately I want to buy a an EV truck and my retirement accounts will be available (IRA- American) and social security if I choose around 2030. I would be in a better liquidity situation to splurge and get a nice EV truck.

I was at a running event last year and someone was camping with their Seal and sleeping in it. I don't need much to be comfortable and it was an OK setup. If it wasn't for the terrible range, I probably would just keep driving my Neta V which has been a great car on my trips.

I used to camp often before we had the kids, wife is not so eager for camping lately 😭

we used to do on the honda CB500, then later on the HRV.

I asked Gemini what are the best EV cars for camping in Thailand, and it start with some high end cars, and I asked about under 1MB and then about the Cherry V23.

Gemini Summary of What to Pick Under 1M Baht:

• Choose the Chery V23 if you plan to tackle rougher, unpaved national park trails or love the blocky, retro aesthetic.

• Choose the BYD Atto 3 if you prefer a traditional crossover look with a widely established dealer and service network across Thailand.

1 minute ago, brfsa2 said:

There is also the Dolphin which is a pretty nice deal, my young in-law got the basic dolphin at 459,000 baht last December motorshow. I drove it and it's fine, agile and firm.

I used to camp often before we had the kids, wife is not so eager for camping lately 😭

we used to do on the honda CB500, then later on the HRV.

I asked Gemini what are the best EV cars for camping in Thailand, and it start with some high end cars, and I asked about under 1MB and then about the Cherry V23.

Gemini Summary of What to Pick Under 1M Baht:

• Choose the Chery V23 if you plan to tackle rougher, unpaved national park trails or love the blocky, retro aesthetic.

• Choose the BYD Atto 3 if you prefer a traditional crossover look with a widely established dealer and service network across Thailand.

I tested out 'camping IN' our MG ZS. Nah, maybe if we didn't bring half the house with us, but enough room to sleep in, but not much else, and we had a dog with us.

Almost bought that add tent thingy a couple times 😂 Of course if into camping, a roof rack would handle that extra cargo we drag with us.

Guesthouses are so inexpensive, along with it's nice, waking up, in the middle of night, rolling out of bed to pee, without a flashlight and worry about crossing paths with a snake.

If I was going the camping route, would have to be the, very nice, Riddara RD6, and strangely, just opened a dealer locally. Outlets at the cargo bed put out 6+kW.

Waiting for Geely to extend a lifetime warranty to their truck line, then yea, I'll get one. Had one on display at Makro yesterday ...

Edited 12 hours ago12 hr by KhunLA

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I tested out 'camping IN' our MG ZS. Nah, maybe if we didn't bring half the house with us, but enough room to sleep in, but not much else, and we had a dog with us.

Almost bought that add tent thingy a couple times 😂 Of course if into camping, a roof rack would handle that extra cargo we drag with us.

Guesthouses are so inexpensive, along with it's nice, waking up, in the middle of night, rolling out of bed to pee, without a flashlight and worry about crossing paths with a snake.

If I was going the camping route, would have to be the, very nice, Riddara RD6, and strangely, just opened a dealer locally. Outlets at the cargo bed put out 6+kW.

Waiting for Geely to extend a lifetime warranty to their truck line, then yea, I'll get one. Had one on display at Makro yesterday ...

I personally think the riddara is probably the best you can get for dual use, camping, city, etc.

I didnt recommend dont know why... at 740K it is a total bargain, even the higher trims at 900k+ are really nice.

now back to Gemini in the riddara:

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7 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

I personally think the riddara is probably the best you can get for dual use, camping, city, etc.

I didnt recommend dont know why... at 740K it is a total bargain, even the higher trims at 900k+ are really nice.

now back to Gemini in the riddara:

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AI measured with tailgat open, bed is only 152cm, and what turned my off from it, as I'm 175cm. Although there are already a few dedication camper rigs for the RD6 with raised sleeping area.

For me, it would be hard to spend the extra 160k for a few bells & whistles, especially since not really needing the extra range. Saying that, it is only 2 months of income more, BUT, would more likely be more of an O&A vehicle. So again, hard to justify, them damn GH are so cheap.

Edited 12 hours ago12 hr by KhunLA