China, Russia veto U.S. push for more U.N. sanctions on North Korea

[webfact]

 

China and Russia vetoed on Thursday (May 26) a U.S.-led push to impose more United Nations sanctions on North Korea over its renewed ballistic missile launches, publicly splitting the U.N. Security Council for the first time since it started punishing Pyongyang in 2006.

 

The remaining 13 council members all voted in favour of the U.S.-drafted resolution that proposed banning tobacco and oil exports to North Korea, whose leader Kim Jong Un is a chain smoker. It would also have blacklisted the Lazarus hacking group, which the United States says is tied to North Korea.

 

The vote came a day after North Korea fired three missiles, including one thought to be its largest intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), following U.S. President Joe Biden’s trip to Asia. It was the latest in a string of ballistic missile launches this year, which are banned by the Security Council.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/china-russia-veto-u-s-push-for-more-u-n-sanctions-on-north-korea/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2022-05-27

[baboon]

The remaining 13 council members aren't the ones living next door. I don't blame China and Russia for their stance.

[SunnyinBangrak]

"The vote came a day after North Korea fired three missiles, including one thought to be its largest intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), following U.S. President Joe Biden’s trip to Asia. It was the latest in a string of ballistic missile launches this year, which are banned by the Security Council."

 

 

Just what on earth is going on all around the world? It's gone from the most peaceful and prosperous times I can remember to a state of pure chaos. The US had quite decent relations with North Korea just a couple of years ago. It was a wonderful historic moment when the leaders met together and walked across the border into NK. An amazing achievement. The US and NK leaders had mutual respect and the ability to work together to maintain peace. Now NK are back to firing intercontinental ballistic missiles. This is a HUGE failure of the current US administration. 

 

 A US power vacuum is an incredibly dangerous thing. I have high hopes that with Musk's purchase of the digital town square and allowing free discussion(within limits of the law) that people will start to be better informed and make more educated decisions at the polling booth. It is all I can hope for, otherwise we are in deep trouble as a species.

 

 China and Russia are correct here. Negotiations must take place, not just sanctions thrown around. As we see time and again, sanctions have no real effect other than to sour relations further. The Russians and Chinese will have to do the adults talking with NK at least until the US has competent leadership again. Good luck to them.

[Geoffggi]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

China and Russia vetoed on Thursday (May 26) a U.S.-led push to impose more United Nations sanctions on North Korea over its renewed ballistic missile launches, publicly splitting the U.N. Security Council for the first time since it started punishing Pyongyang in 2006.

 

Birds of a feather ..................

[vandeventer]

2 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

Birds of a feather ..................

Kim just don't like Biden, as Biden's approval rate is now underwater. If Trump was in power none of this would happen, the world world would be a much happier and safer place to live and the world would have plenty of American oil and gas.

[Pedrogaz]

Well done China and Russia standing up to the US. The last thing the world needs is more sanctions. How about some dialogue?

[bbko]

28 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

If Trump was in power none of this would happen, the world world would be a much happier and safer place to live and the world would have plenty of American oil and gas.

NATO summit

 

[vandeventer]

5 minutes ago, bbko said:

NATO summit

 

He's the man and he will be back and there will be so many changes to make America great again.

[SunnyinBangrak]

10 minutes ago, bbko said:

NATO summit

 

Exactly why everything was so stable when he was in power. Pure alpha male, the others are totally cowed by him. Nobody dares to mess. Watching this I'm reminded of a pack of dogs when the alpha approaches, it's the same behaviour.

 How far we have fallen in less than 2 years, and boy is the world paying a price for feeble weakness.

[candide]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"The vote came a day after North Korea fired three missiles, including one thought to be its largest intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), following U.S. President Joe Biden’s trip to Asia. It was the latest in a string of ballistic missile launches this year, which are banned by the Security Council."

 

 

Just what on earth is going on all around the world? It's gone from the most peaceful and prosperous times I can remember to a state of pure chaos. The US had quite decent relations with North Korea just a couple of years ago. It was a wonderful historic moment when the leaders met together and walked across the border into NK. An amazing achievement. The US and NK leaders had mutual respect and the ability to work together to maintain peace. Now NK are back to firing intercontinental ballistic missiles. This is a HUGE failure of the current US administration. 

 

 A US power vacuum is an incredibly dangerous thing. I have high hopes that with Musk's purchase of the digital town square and allowing free discussion(within limits of the law) that people will start to be better informed and make more educated decisions at the polling booth. It is all I can hope for, otherwise we are in deep trouble as a species.

 

 China and Russia are correct here. Negotiations must take place, not just sanctions thrown around. As we see time and again, sanctions have no real effect other than to sour relations further. The Russians and Chinese will have to do the adults talking with NK at least until the US has competent leadership again. Good luck to them.

 

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

Kim just don't like Biden, as Biden's approval rate is now underwater. If Trump was in power none of this would happen, the world world would be a much happier and safer place to live and the world would have plenty of American oil and gas.

You sure? ????????????

May 4, 2019	North Korea launched several short-range projectiles from the vicinity of Wonsan on the country's east coast,[75] initial speculation as possibly a Russian Iskander missile which can make course corrections during its flight.[76] Later designated as KN-23.[77]
May 9, 2019	North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles[76] from the vicinity of Sinori in North Pyongan Province (launch area also, in another source, identified as Kusong[76]) at 4:29 p.m. and 4:49 p.m. local time.[78]
July 25, 2019	North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles, believed to be of a new design.[79] Demonstrated maximum range is 690 km.[80]
July 31, 2019	North Korea launched "several" short-range ballistic missiles.[81]
August 2, 2019	North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles at 2:59 a.m. and 3:23 a.m. local time.[82]
August 24, 2019	North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles from Sondok in South Hamgyong Province. Both fell in the Sea of Japan.[83]
September 10, 2019	North Korea launched two short-range projectiles from Kaechon shortly after proposing to resume denuclearization negotiations with the US. Both the projectiles fell into the sea off the North's east coast.[84]
October 2, 2019	North Korea test-fired a new-type submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) in the waters off Wonsan. The Republic of Korea Armed Forces said the missile, which was dubbed Pukguksong-3, flew about 450 kilometers and reached a maximum altitude of 910 kilometers, making it an intermediate-range ballistic missile. It fell into the exclusive economic zone of Japan off Shimane Prefecture. North Korea said the launch was successful.[85][86]
October 31, 2019	North Korea test-fired two short-range projectiles from Sunchon at 4:35 p.m. and 4:38 p.m. Both flew around 370 km and reached a maximum altitude of 90 km before falling in the Sea of Japan.[87]
November 28, 2019	North Korea test-launched two "short-range projectiles".[88] Rocket exhaust was visible from Russia.[89]
March 2, 2020	North Korea carried out test-launch of two unidentified projectiles from eastwards over the sea from the Wonsan area on the east coast. Projectiles are equipped with an operational range of 240 kilometres, and capable to flew a height of 35 kilometres.[90]

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile_tests

[candide]

1 hour ago, bbko said:

NATO summit

 

Really? ????????????????

"A viral video of world leaders huddled together and apparently joking about US President Donald Trump has not gone down well with the American leader, who called Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau ‘two-faced’ and cancelled a scheduled press conference, which would result in him leaving the summit early as a result."

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2019/12/04/trump-to-leave-nato-summit-early-after-video-shows-leaders-laughing-at-him.html

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

Birds of a feather ..................

Why is Russia still in the UN?

[vandeventer]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

 

You sure? ????????????

May 4, 2019	North Korea launched several short-range projectiles from the vicinity of Wonsan on the country's east coast,[75] initial speculation as possibly a Russian Iskander missile which can make course corrections during its flight.[76] Later designated as KN-23.[77]
May 9, 2019	North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles[76] from the vicinity of Sinori in North Pyongan Province (launch area also, in another source, identified as Kusong[76]) at 4:29 p.m. and 4:49 p.m. local time.[78]
July 25, 2019	North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles, believed to be of a new design.[79] Demonstrated maximum range is 690 km.[80]
July 31, 2019	North Korea launched "several" short-range ballistic missiles.[81]
August 2, 2019	North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles at 2:59 a.m. and 3:23 a.m. local time.[82]
August 24, 2019	North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles from Sondok in South Hamgyong Province. Both fell in the Sea of Japan.[83]
September 10, 2019	North Korea launched two short-range projectiles from Kaechon shortly after proposing to resume denuclearization negotiations with the US. Both the projectiles fell into the sea off the North's east coast.[84]
October 2, 2019	North Korea test-fired a new-type submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) in the waters off Wonsan. The Republic of Korea Armed Forces said the missile, which was dubbed Pukguksong-3, flew about 450 kilometers and reached a maximum altitude of 910 kilometers, making it an intermediate-range ballistic missile. It fell into the exclusive economic zone of Japan off Shimane Prefecture. North Korea said the launch was successful.[85][86]
October 31, 2019	North Korea test-fired two short-range projectiles from Sunchon at 4:35 p.m. and 4:38 p.m. Both flew around 370 km and reached a maximum altitude of 90 km before falling in the Sea of Japan.[87]
November 28, 2019	North Korea test-launched two "short-range projectiles".[88] Rocket exhaust was visible from Russia.[89]
March 2, 2020	North Korea carried out test-launch of two unidentified projectiles from eastwards over the sea from the Wonsan area on the east coast. Projectiles are equipped with an operational range of 240 kilometres, and capable to flew a height of 35 kilometres.[90]

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile_tests

We could put it to a test? Have Biden walk up to the N. K. border and met Kim like Trump did. I am sure he will get a surprise.

[candide]

1 minute ago, vandeventer said:

We could put it to a test? Have Biden walk up to the N. K. border and met Kim like Trump did. I am sure he will get a surprise.

Unlike Trump, Biden is not going to be fooled by Kim and to be involved in a NK PR operation.

[vandeventer]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

Unlike Trump, Biden is not going to be fooled by Kim and to be involved in a NK PR operation.

Nice try!!!!

[swm59nj]

Yes maybe if Trump gets re-elected he can establish ties with his buddy in North Korea.  If this happens who knows.  Then maybe you will be able to live in North Korea.  Just think of all that free medical care you could get.  And living in luxury on that small pension check. Plus other perks.  Yes better days are coming.  

Edited May 27, 2022 by swm59nj

[candide]

12 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Nice try!!!!

So you think Trump has not been fooled by Kim?

[vandeventer]

41 minutes ago, candide said:

So you think Trump has not been fooled by Kim?

You give Kim too much credit. Kim backed down from Trump and in the end a friendship was developing.

[FritsSikkink]

9 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"The vote came a day after North Korea fired three missiles, including one thought to be its largest intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), following U.S. President Joe Biden’s trip to Asia. It was the latest in a string of ballistic missile launches this year, which are banned by the Security Council."

 

 

Just what on earth is going on all around the world? It's gone from the most peaceful and prosperous times I can remember to a state of pure chaos. The US had quite decent relations with North Korea just a couple of years ago. It was a wonderful historic moment when the leaders met together and walked across the border into NK. An amazing achievement. The US and NK leaders had mutual respect and the ability to work together to maintain peace. Now NK are back to firing intercontinental ballistic missiles. This is a HUGE failure of the current US administration. 

 

 A US power vacuum is an incredibly dangerous thing. I have high hopes that with Musk's purchase of the digital town square and allowing free discussion(within limits of the law) that people will start to be better informed and make more educated decisions at the polling booth. It is all I can hope for, otherwise we are in deep trouble as a species.

 

 China and Russia are correct here. Negotiations must take place, not just sanctions thrown around. As we see time and again, sanctions have no real effect other than to sour relations further. The Russians and Chinese will have to do the adults talking with NK at least until the US has competent leadership again. Good luck to them.

It was peaceful? tell that to the 6 countries who got bombed on a regular basis by the West, led by the USA.

[cncltd1973]

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Exactly why everything was so stable when he was in power. Pure alpha male, the others are totally cowed by him. Nobody dares to mess. Watching this I'm reminded of a pack of dogs when the alpha approaches, it's the same behaviour.

 How far we have fallen in less than 2 years, and boy is the world paying a price for feeble weakness.

can you identify any other leader in that video?

notice he didn't push his way into the power crowd: Merkel, Macron, etc. He prefers to be king of the B-squad.

Trump is only an alpha among subs and is uncomfortable with people more competent, which is why his cabinet was filled with incompetence. he wants to be the smartest guy at the table, so he seats idiots at his table to look smart for the camera. sorry, but he is a charlatan that got voted in because we trust our tv personalities more than politicians

[placeholder]

20 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Just what on earth is going on all around the world? It's gone from the most peaceful and prosperous times I can remember to a state of pure chaos. The US had quite decent relations with North Korea just a couple of years ago. It was a wonderful historic moment when the leaders met together and walked across the border into NK. An amazing achievement. The US and NK leaders had mutual respect and the ability to work together to maintain peace. Now NK are back to firing intercontinental ballistic missiles. This is a HUGE failure of the current US administration. 

Well, if appeasing a vicious dictator constitutes "a decent relationship" in your mind, so be it. But, as you may recall, all of the predictions and the characterizations of the negotiations with the North Koreans turned out to be fantasies. And you seem to be experiencing a very convenient memory loss in regards to how those negotiations ultimately played out:.

 

North Korea insults Trump as 'heedless and erratic old man' as tension rises

Pyongyang responds to tweets on denuclearization

North Korea insulted Donald Trump again on Monday, calling him a “heedless and erratic old man” after he tweeted that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un would not want to abandon a special relationship between the two leaders and affect the US presidential election by resuming hostile acts.

A senior North Korean official, former nuclear negotiator Kim Yong-chol, said in a statement his country would not cave in to US pressure because it has nothing to lose and accused the Trump administration of attempting to buy time ahead of an end-of-year deadline set by Kim for Washington to salvage nuclear talks.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/09/north-korea-insults-trump-heedless-erratic-old-man

[placeholder]

4 hours ago, vandeventer said:

You give Kim too much credit. Kim backed down from Trump and in the end a friendship was developing.

Yes, Kim calling Trump a "heedless and erratic old man" because negotiations were going nowhere, was just proof of a further ripening of their friendship.

[placeholder]

17 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Kim just don't like Biden, as Biden's approval rate is now underwater. If Trump was in power none of this would happen, the world world would be a much happier and safer place to live and the world would have plenty of American oil and gas.

Another case of retrospective amnesia

 

North Korea says it sees little reason to maintain Kim-Trump ties

PUBLISHED THU, JUN 11 20208:55 PM ED

• North Korea sees little use maintaining a personal relationship between leader Kim Jong Un and U.S. President Donald Trump if Washington sticks to hostile policies, state media reported on Friday — the two-year anniversary of the leaders’ first summit.
• Foreign Minister Ri Son Gwon said in retrospect the Trump administration appears to have been focusing on only scoring political points while seeking to isolate and suffocate North Korea, and threatening it with preemptive nuclear strikes and regime change.
• On Thursday, a State Department spokesperson told South Korea’s Yonhap news agency the United States remains committed to dialogue with North Korea, and is open to a “flexible approach to reach a balanced agreement.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/12/north-korea-says-it-sees-little-reason-to-maintain-kim-trump-ties.html

[candide]

7 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Exactly why everything was so stable when he was in power. Pure alpha male, the others are totally cowed by him. Nobody dares to mess. Watching this I'm reminded of a pack of dogs when the alpha approaches, it's the same behaviour.

 How far we have fallen in less than 2 years, and boy is the world paying a price for feeble weakness.

Trump  the alpha male with bone spurs! ???? 

[ozimoron]

9 hours ago, vandeventer said:

He's the man and he will be back and there will be so many changes to make America great again.

The outcome from that would almost certainly be a fascist allegiance (axis) of the US, Russia, China, North Korea, Philippines, Turkey, Hungary, India, Syria, and Brazil.

 

Some might see that as a great outcome, others not so much. It would certainly spell the end of democracy world wide.

Edited May 27, 2022 by ozimoron

[vandeventer]

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

Another case of retrospective amnesia

 

North Korea says it sees little reason to maintain Kim-Trump ties

PUBLISHED THU, JUN 11 20208:55 PM ED

• North Korea sees little use maintaining a personal relationship between leader Kim Jong Un and U.S. President Donald Trump if Washington sticks to hostile policies, state media reported on Friday — the two-year anniversary of the leaders’ first summit.
• Foreign Minister Ri Son Gwon said in retrospect the Trump administration appears to have been focusing on only scoring political points while seeking to isolate and suffocate North Korea, and threatening it with preemptive nuclear strikes and regime change.
• On Thursday, a State Department spokesperson told South Korea’s Yonhap news agency the United States remains committed to dialogue with North Korea, and is open to a “flexible approach to reach a balanced agreement.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/12/north-korea-says-it-sees-little-reason-to-maintain-kim-trump-ties.html

Don't believe everything you read always consider the source!

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Don't believe everything you read always consider the source!

Sure. CNBC made this up and competitors like Fox just let it pass uncommented? How far removed from reality can someone be? Or how little intellectual decency might be a better question.

 

I guess the socialists at Fox News also made up the info in thia article dated Jun 12, 2020?

North Korea marks 2-year anniversary of Trump-Kim summit by vowing to build up military

“Never again will we provide the U.S. chief executive with another package to be used for (political) achievements without receiving any returns,” he added. “Nothing is more hypocritical than an empty promise.”

Ri claimed the past two years of diplomacy have only revealed that the U.S. continues to pursue “regime change” in Pyongyang and threatens the North with the prospects of a preemptive nuclear strike and “isolation and suffocation.”

https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-trump-kim-summit-anniversary-weapons

 

Or  this article dated dec 19, 2019?

Trump a 'heedless and erratic old man,' North Korea says, after tweets about Kim Jong Un

North Korea took aim at President Trump on Monday, dubbing him a "heedless and erratic old man," after he tweeted leader Kim Jong Un wouldn't want to "void his special relationship" with him or the U.S. by interfering in the 2020 election by acting "in a hostile way."

The country won't cave to U.S. pressure because it has nothing to lose, Kim Yong Chol, a senior North Korean official and former nuclear negotiator, said in a statement. The North accused Trump of trying to buy time ahead of an end-of-year deadline set by Kim Jong Un for Washington to salvage nuclear talks.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-trump-erratic-old-man

[wombat]

20 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

 

 

Just what on earth is going on all around the world? 

 

 

Economics 101 is happening. 

Without war to fuel industry capitalism fails.

The world policeman is out selling Lend Lease agreements for disposable things that kill.

[Sydebolle]

The World would be such a more peaceful place without all those American warmongering interests among the Zionist-Americans. One in seven Americans lives of food stamps, one in eleven cannot find the USA on a world map, 5% of the World's population (the US) consumes 28% of the World's fossil fuel and they put their nose into each and any conflict anywhere on the planet to save the American people. 

The scary bit is, that the Americans believe all this verbal manure from Washington and do not query burning 730+ billions (not millions) of USD yearly for "defense"; by interpretation that would be against the Canadians and Mexicans - no other borders. They forked 100+ million dollars towards Ukraine already; what on earth is this their business to start with. 

I wonder what the Americans would do if Russia would have 500'000 soldiers along the Canadian/US border or 10'000 tanks along the Mexican/US border. 

Pathetic but extremely profitable and the whole world watches. 

Short; the US foreign policy is one big disaster since 1945 and sanctions and embargoes have only hit the underlings. Move the US troops out of Japan, South Korea and Taiwan and ........ North Korea will implode, as the Chinese will no longer feel threatened and pull the support plug on North Korea. 

[candide]

20 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

I wonder what the Americans would do if Russia would have 500'000 soldiers along the Canadian/US border or 10'000 tanks along the Mexican/US border

Complete B.S. there were not 500,000 US troops in Europe. On top of it, most of the troops located in Europe were not near a border with Russia.