How is global warming affecting Thailand these days?

[Baron Samedi]

I was wondering if global warming was affecting the daily lives of people in Thailand in any significant way.

For those of you living there, have you seen an increase in floods, droughts, etc.. ?

Thx

[BritManToo]

19 hours ago, Baron Samedi said:

For those of you living there, have you seen an increase in floods, droughts, etc.. ?

This has been the wettest year since I arrived in 2009.

The other 12 years were much of a muchness.

Not sure if that's meaningful in any way.

[KhunLA]

I get a chuckle every time someone mentions it, is that an effect ????

[Hummin]

The biggest changes for Thailand locally, is because of deforesting. Thailand the last 11 years lost 28% of their forrest and during the last 50 years 40%. 
 

Doesnt take a genius to figure out the local impact it will have. 
 

A crime and short thinking with huge impact on the environment. 
 

Edited May 31, 2022 by Hummin

[Lacessit]

IMO Thailand has not changed much in terms of warming.

I suggest the sceptics should visit the Larsen Ice Shelf ( while it is still there ), Iceland ( glaciers disappearing ) and the Australian centre, where they can fry eggs on any surface exposed to sunlight.

Then perhaps a stint in thermodynamics class, where they can learn about real science, not the BS posted on social media by their ilk to comfort their confirmation bias.

[Baron Samedi]

@Hummin @Lacessit Thanks for your replies.

Do you guys know if solar and wind are gaining momentum in the country.

Have you seen solar farms or wind farms anywhere in Phuket?

Or maybe just solar panels on buildings?

Just curious...

 

 

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Baron Samedi said:

@Hummin @Lacessit Thanks for your replies.

Do you guys know if solar and wind are gaining momentum in the country.

Have you seen solar farms or wind farms anywhere in Phuket?

Or maybe just solar panels on buildings?

Just curious...

 

 

Cant say I saw anything of solar or wind farms in the south west. Alot up around Chaiyaphum, Petchabun Phitsanuluk.  Also smaller scale I saw on Koh Larn.

[KhunLA]

34 minutes ago, Baron Samedi said:

@Hummin @Lacessit Thanks for your replies.

Do you guys know if solar and wind are gaining momentum in the country.

Have you seen solar farms or wind farms anywhere in Phuket?

Or maybe just solar panels on buildings?

Just curious...

 

 

Only seen a couple wind farms, not locally, although 1 business has a prominent wind turbine nearby.

 

There's 2 almost local solar farms nearby, within 30 ish minutes away, with another under construction, and all 3 within a few kms of each other.  So I guess the 1st was enough incentive to replicate a couple more.

 

Also a solar farm up around Udon Thani I know of, and have driven past more than a few times.

 

The solar installer I'm going to use is non stop busy, so that's about 2 system a week for him, I think, if just running 1 crew.

 

 

 

Edited May 31, 2022 by KhunLA

[Lacessit]

15 minutes ago, Baron Samedi said:

@Hummin @Lacessit Thanks for your replies.

Do you guys know if solar and wind are gaining momentum in the country.

Have you seen solar farms or wind farms anywhere in Phuket?

Or maybe just solar panels on buildings?

Just curious...

 

 

I understand some EV purchasers in Thailand are putting solar panels on their houses to supplement commercial charging stations, I don't know how widespread that is. IMO a smart move, as the commercial stations may be non-functioning or occupied.

 

Chiang Mai, Lamphun and Lampang's electricity comes from possibly the dirtiest generator on the planet, the lignite mine at Mae Moh. Still a lot of it in the ground, don't see that power station closing any time soon.

[Hummin]

 

This is quite interesting, but. I can not help to think about the increase of temperature when adding solar panels in a scale like this expecting it to actually contribute to lower the fossile usage. As well the need for resources and energy  producing. 
 

Solar power and wind I doubt is the future. 

Edited May 31, 2022 by Hummin

[KhunLA]

23 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I understand some EV purchasers in Thailand are putting solar panels on their houses to supplement commercial charging stations, I don't know how widespread that is. IMO a smart move, as the commercial stations may be non-functioning or occupied.

 

Chiang Mai, Lamphun and Lampang's electricity comes from possibly the dirtiest generator on the planet, the lignite mine at Mae Moh. Still a lot of it in the ground, don't see that power station closing any time soon.

Installing solar at the house was the last motivator for us to get an EV (car) as already having an E-motorcycle & ebike.  Sadly we just bought a new car 20 months/30k kms ago, will be just over 2 yrs old/35k kms when the EV version of it arrives, hopefully ????

 

Plan on using most energy generated though.  Hopefully just enough to not need the grid.  Game plan anyway.

Edited May 31, 2022 by KhunLA

[Hummin]

Another important factor is the optimal temperature for the panels, which the manufacture says is 25c or 77F, and that is not air temperature, but operating temperature. 
 

It also says some places optimal production is between 5 - 15c 

This is from Boston, but it seems like same standard as for Australie. 

Solar panels are generally tested at about 77°F and are rated to perform at peak efficiency between 59°F and 95°F. However, solar panels may get as hot as 149°F during the summer. When the surface temperature of your solar panels gets this high, solar panel efficiency can decline somewhat.

 

https://www.bostonsolar.us/solar-blog-resource-center/blog/how-do-temperature-and-shade-affect-solar-panel-efficiency/

[Lacessit]

20 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

This is quite interesting, but. I can not help to think about the increase of temperature when adding solar panels in a scale like this expecting it to actually contribute to lower the fossile usage. As well the need for resources and energy  producing. 
 

Solar power and wind I doubt is the future. 

I read recently about a farm in Australia, running merino sheep. According to the owners, wool production has increased significantly since a solar farm was installed on the property. Can only speculate as to the mechanism.

Sheep insulate themselves with their wool, believe it or not. While we use wool clothes to keep warm, the skin temperature of a sheep is a fair bit lower than the surface of the wool.

 

There is a $30 billion project called the Sun Cable which is connecting solar farms in the Northern Territory of Australia to Singapore, so some fairly wealthy people do not share your skepticism.

[Baron Samedi]

48 minutes ago, Hummin said:

This is quite interesting, but. I can not help to think the increase of temperature when adding solar panels in a scale expecting it to actually contribute to lower the fossile usage. As well the need for resources and energy  producing enough. 
 

Solar power and wind I doubt is the future. 

I agree. Renewables aren't a panacea, that's for sure. Unless the entire production process is de-carbonized successfully, those technologies won't cut it.

 

Dunno if you ever heard of Vaclav Smil but he thinks natural gas is very likely to become the fuel of the 21th century. Best compromise between emissions and civilization's needs according to him.

 

CIA's last report mentions geoengineering as a way to mitigate climate change - a shield of particules in the high atmosphere. Seems radical but maybe we won't have a choice?

 

Didn't know that YT channel.

Interesting farming concept but for rich countries only I guess (fro now anyway).

 

Thanks ????

Edited May 31, 2022 by Baron Samedi

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I read recently about a farm in Australia, running merino sheep. According to the owners, wool production has increased significantly since a solar farm was installed on the property. Can only speculate as to the mechanism.

Sheep insulate themselves with their wool, believe it or not. While we use wool clothes to keep warm, the skin temperature of a sheep is a fair bit lower than the surface of the wool.

 

There is a $30 billion project called the Sun Cable which is connecting solar farms in the Northern Territory of Australia to Singapore, so some fairly wealthy people do not share your skepticism.

We can also insulate houses to keep them cold, and when hiking in the summer I also used whool because it have a excellent quality regulating temperature when get wet and keep biting bugs away.

 

Just imagine every city in the tropic insulated their houses like we do for cold winters, and how much energy they could save. But again it need more resources we maybe do not have.

 

Read this

https://manteco.com/4-reasons-why-you-should-wear-wool-in-hot-weather/

 

 

[Hummin]

21 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

 

 

There is a $30 billion project called the Sun Cable which is connecting solar farms in the Northern Territory of Australia to Singapore, so some fairly wealthy people do not share your skepticism.

In Sahara and dry land like you have in Australia I agree it can create positive bi effects for the landscape to become productive. I'm sure the panels also will be or can be effective water producers during the night

[vinci]

i don't know what's affecting, but its hot as hell in Thailand maybe we need some snow here ????

[ozimoron]

The human impacts of climate change in Thailand remain dependent on the approach to adaptation adopted, but there is a significant risk that the poorest and marginalized groups will experience disproportionately greater loss and damage.

Asian Development Bank

 

https://reliefweb.int/report/thailand/climate-risk-country-profile-thailand

[Sparktrader]

Deforestation an issue. Other countries planting trees.

 

  The earth is literally getting greener. Today, there is five percent more foliage than twenty years ago, and it is primarily ambitious tree planting projects and intensive agriculture, mainly in China and India, that are behind the increase. This is according to satellite data from NASA Earth Observatory.5 Mar 2021

 

https://www.warpnews.org/human-progress/nasa-the-earth-is-greener-now-than-it-was-20-years-ago/

[KhunLA]

13 minutes ago, vinci said:

i don't know what's affecting, but its hot as hell in Thailand maybe we need some snow here ????

When snow lays on the ground for 24 hrs, I might buy into Climate Change.

 

MMCC ... I'll never buy into.

 

Global Warming, yea, that's real, but 1° maybe, over the the next 200 yrs.  Nothing to be concerned about.  Just fear mongering to steal your hard earned money.

[Sparktrader]

Planet is 0.3 degrees cooler than 2016. Same temp as 2010.

 

 https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/global/time-series

[Sparktrader]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

When snow lays on the ground for 24 hrs, I might buy into Climate Change.

 

MMCC ... I'll never buy into.

 

Global Warming, yea, that's real, but 1° maybe, over the the next 200 yrs.  Nothing to be concerned about.  Just fear mongering to steal your hard earned money.

The planet has always warmed or cooled. Many cycles.

 

 

[Sparktrader]

  https://www.science.org/content/article/there-mini-ice-age-horizon#:~:text=Scientists have predicted that Earth,60% reduction in solar activity.

 

Maybe very cold in 15 years

[Baron Samedi]

6 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Deforestation an issue. Other countries planting trees.

 

  The earth is literally getting greener. Today, there is five percent more foliage than twenty years ago, and it is primarily ambitious tree planting projects and intensive agriculture, mainly in China and India, that are behind the increase. This is according to satellite data from NASA Earth Observatory.5 Mar 2021

 

https://www.warpnews.org/human-progress/nasa-the-earth-is-greener-now-than-it-was-20-years-ago/

Planting trees in China won't prevent erosion in Thailand ????

[Sparktrader]

Been visiting Siam for 20 years. Never been unlucky with weather.

[Sparktrader]

Just now, Baron Samedi said:

Planting trees in China won't prevent erosion in Thailand ????

Thailand should plant trees. Wet climate ideal for growth.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Planet is 0.3 degrees cooler than 2016. Same temp as 2010.

 

 https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/global/time-series

You have completely misrepresented the data by cherry picking one particular year which was an outlier. The data clearly shows ever increasing warming at a faster rate.

[Hummin]

54 minutes ago, Baron Samedi said:

 

 

Didn't know that YT channel.

Interesting farming concept but for rich countries only I guess (fro now anyway).

 

Thanks ????

Or solar farmers rent land from growing farmers, farmers keep the dirt and also save solar farmers for keeping the farms from overgrowing of weed and trees. 
 

Benefit both parties. 

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

The planet has always warmed or cooled. Many cycles.

Yep, over millenia, what it hasn't done is warmed at a rate even approximating the past 200 years. The rate of increase of warming has not been seen for a very, very, long time. Not quoting the time period makes your statement misinformation, let alone the lack of substantiation.

 

Furthermore, the natural cycles would have the Earth's temperature cooling this past  100 years but human contributions to global warming has seen it increase instead.

 

Modern human civilization, with its permanent agriculture and settlements, has developed over just the past 10,000 years or so. The period has generally been one of low temperatures and relative global (if not regional) climate stability. Compared to most of Earth’s history, today is unusually cold; we now live in what geologists call an interglacial—a period between glaciations of an ice age. But as greenhouse-gas emissions warm Earth’s climate, it's possible our planet has seen its last glaciation for a long time.

 

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been

 

Nor does the fact that it has been warmer in the past mean that future warming is nothing to worry about. The sea level has been tens of metres higher during past warm periods, enough to submerge most major cities around the world

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11647-climate-myths-its-been-far-warmer-in-the-past-whats-the-big-deal/

 

 

[Baron Samedi]

16 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

  https://www.science.org/content/article/there-mini-ice-age-horizon#:~:text=Scientists have predicted that Earth,60% reduction in solar activity.

 

Maybe very cold in 15 years

There is no scientific consensus on that study.

But there is a scientific consensus on the meta-study called the IPCC report.

Global warming is very real, it is accelerating and it has nothing to do with the sun's activity. Otherwise it wouldn't get hotter but colder.

Can't believe we are still debating this shxt in 2022 ????

 

Edited May 31, 2022 by Baron Samedi