Cabinet divisions break out over U.K. plan to override Brexit treaty

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Getting Brexit done properly. 

Even the claim Brexit was done was a fiction.

 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Even the claim Brexit was done was a fiction.

 

Done enough to get us free from most of the EU subjugation, and more importantly, now in a position to freely and unilaterally keep working on the parts that don't work as they were intended to.

[GrandPapillon]

We can't thank enough the Brexiters, that is us main Europeans, you removed a huge political liability from the EU ????

 

now we need to get rid of those Eastern European countries, and let them join Putin "freedom" front ????

 

Edited June 11, 2022 by GrandPapillon

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Done enough to get us free from most of the EU subjugation, and more importantly, now in a position to freely and unilaterally keep working on the parts that don't work as they were intended to.

Not so, but keep believing the spin.

[Excel]

3 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

We can't thank enough the Brexiters, that is us main Europeans, you removed a huge political liability from the EU ????

 

now we need to get rid of those Eastern European countries, and let them join Putin "freedom" front ????

 

You lucky buggers and if you kick Greece into touch also the Franc-German alliance will go from strength to strength to Dominate Europe again so with Putin pretending to be Peter The Great 11, looks like a good return to the past

[GrandPapillon]

1 minute ago, Excel said:

You lucky buggers and if you kick Greece into touch also the Franc-German alliance will go from strength to strength to Dominate Europe again so with Putin pretending to be Peter The Great 11, looks like a good return to the past

that would be a better future than the last 25 disastrous years for the EU

 

I understand perfectly the Brits for leaving the EU, it wasn't completely out of any good sense

Edited June 11, 2022 by GrandPapillon

[Loiner]

53 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not so, but keep believing the spin.

The Lib/Lab/Rejoin pact, the EU and posters here seem to believe it. They never fail to be outraged about it and are very afraid that it quash all their anti democratic plans. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

We can't thank enough the Brexiters, that is us main Europeans, you removed a huge political liability from the EU ????

 

now we need to get rid of those Eastern European countries, and let them join Putin "freedom" front ????

 

France . Germany and Italy can dominate Europe .

They got there in the end 

[CG1 Blue]

14 hours ago, candide said:

If it's that bad, why did BoJo sign an agreement allowing it? That would be a case of acute negligence...

It was the only way to get Brexit over the line. The stalemate couldn't continue forever. 

 

Plus he always knew Article 16 was there as a protection, so it wasn't negligence. Article 16 can be implemented if the protocol arrangements lead to economic, societal or environmental difficulties, or if they led to diversion of trade.  

 

So it was a case of; let's get the deal done, see how it goes, and we have the safety net of Article 16 if it all goes Pete Tong. Quite a clever move I'd say. 

 

[candide]

19 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

It was the only way to get Brexit over the line. The stalemate couldn't continue forever. 

 

Plus he always knew Article 16 was there as a protection, so it wasn't negligence. Article 16 can be implemented if the protocol arrangements lead to economic, societal or environmental difficulties, or if they led to diversion of trade.  

 

So it was a case of; let's get the deal done, see how it goes, and we have the safety net of Article 16 if it all goes Pete Tong. Quite a clever move I'd say. 

 

So, if I understand well, he just postponed dealing with this critical issue:

- if he doesn't use article 16, he lets the EU infringe on UK's sovereignty (according to posters in this thread), so not so clever

- if he uses article 16, what would be the consequences? Would they show he has been clever?

[GrandPapillon]

I say full embargo is the only long term solution for Brexit ????

 

[LoeiI]

3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

It was the only way to get Brexit over the line. The stalemate couldn't continue forever. 

 

Plus he always knew Article 16 was there as a protection, so it wasn't negligence. Article 16 can be implemented if the protocol arrangements lead to economic, societal or environmental difficulties, or if they led to diversion of trade.  

 

So it was a case of; let's get the deal done, see how it goes, and we have the safety net of Article 16 if it all goes Pete Tong. Quite a clever move I'd say. 

 

Yeah I'm sure the UK will be looked upon as so trustworthy when the rest of the world are begging us to do trade deals with them........ Not ????

[Loiner]

12 minutes ago, LoeiI said:

Yeah I'm sure the UK will be looked upon as so trustworthy when the rest of the world are begging us to do trade deals with them........ Not ????

The deals have been happening since Brexit. The rest of the world does not care about the EU and are aware of its' petulant vindictiveness.    

[RayC]

4 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

It was the only way to get Brexit over the line. The stalemate couldn't continue forever. 

 

Plus he always knew Article 16 was there as a protection, so it wasn't negligence. Article 16 can be implemented if the protocol arrangements lead to economic, societal or environmental difficulties, or if they led to diversion of trade.  

 

So it was a case of; let's get the deal done, see how it goes, and we have the safety net of Article 16 if it all goes Pete Tong. Quite a clever move I'd say. 

 

Article 16 does not abrogate the Protocol or the wider Agreement, it merely allows the two sides time to try to find a solution to a particular problem. If they can't, the matter goes to arbitration by an international body.

 

The bottom line is that if the UK unilaterally breaks the protocol (or the wider Agreement) at any point it will be in breach of international law.

[baboon]

29 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The deals have been happening since Brexit. The rest of the world does not care about the EU and are aware of its' petulant vindictiveness.    

Says a poster from an angry, bitter and isolated island on the cusp of Europe, shaking its fist at the world. No amount of rhetoric will change the fact we are alone and increasingly friendless in the world, not least because we cannot be trusted to keep our word.

And you purport to think the rest of the world gives a <deleted> obout us... My backside.

[GrandPapillon]

6 minutes ago, RayC said:

if the UK unilaterally breaks the protocol (or the wider Agreement) at any point it will be in breach of international law.

wouldn't be the first time, see Iraq illegal invasion

 

If Boris continues, he will soon have his "Tony Blair" moment over the breach of international laws ????

 

[RayC]

32 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The deals have been happening since Brexit.

Two free trade deals with Australia and NZ and a digital trade agreement with Singapore. Not much to crow about.

 

32 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

The rest of the world does not care about the EU and are aware of its' petulant vindictiveness.    

The rest of the world would far rather have a trade deal with the EU than the UK. A feeling no doubt enhanced by the fact that the current UK government has shown that it cannot be trusted.

[baboon]

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

Article 16 does not abrogate the Protocol or the wider Agreement, it merely allows the two sides time to try to find a solution to a particular problem. If they can't, the matter goes to arbitration by an international body.

 

The bottom line is that if the UK unilaterally breaks the protocol (or the wider Agreement) at any point it will be in breach of international law.

But in a limited and specific way, so it hardly counts.... (sarcasm)

And anyway, it's somebody else's fault, not ours...

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, baboon said:

Says a poster from an angry, bitter and isolated island on the cusp of Europe, shaking its fist at the world. No amount of rhetoric will change the fact we are alone and increasingly friendless in the world, not least because we cannot be trusted to keep our word.

And you purport to think the rest of the world gives a <deleted> obout us... My backside.

Well the latter part of your post is what you are talking out of. The former part confirms that.

[Loiner]

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

Two free trade deals with Australia and NZ and a digital trade agreement with Singapore. Not much to crow about.

 

The rest of the world would far rather have a trade deal with the EU than the UK. A feeling no doubt enhanced by the fact that the current UK government has shown that it cannot be trusted.

No need for brand new Free Trade Deals, it's closer to one hundred signed replicated existing deals actually. Plenty of others in negotiation and preparation too.

The rest of the world is more than happy to trade with the UK and doesn't care about the EU and your fictitious claims.

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

11 minutes ago, baboon said:

Says a poster from an angry, bitter and isolated island on the cusp of Europe, shaking its fist at the world. No amount of rhetoric will change the fact we are alone and increasingly friendless in the world, not least because we cannot be trusted to keep our word.

And you purport to think the rest of the world gives a <deleted> obout us... My backside.

Have you been back to the U.K post Brexit ?

Everything is still pretty much still the same , you seem to being through some sort of Armageddon breakdown  where the U.K is collapsing, falling apart and disintegrating and the end is nigh .

   Don't worry, I am in the U.K now and everything's OK , a few cost of living issues , but the whole World is being effected by that .

  Relax and don't worry, everything is OK back in the UK and no ones bothered about the Irish border

[baboon]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Have you been back to the U.K post Brexit ?

Everything is still pretty much still the same , you seem to being through some sort of Armageddon breakdown  where the U.K is collapsing, falling apart and disintegrating and the end is nigh .

   Don't worry, I am in the U.K now and everything's OK , a few cost of living issues , but the whole World is being effected by that .

  Relax and don't worry, everything is OK back in the UK and no ones bothered about the Irish border

Yes I have and everything is in decline. Far removed from the sunlit uplands and the German car industry seeing to it that we would flourish.

A shabby, bankrupt and unhappy place being driven into the gutter by the most venal, corrupt and incompetent government in living memory. 

But hey! Just as long as you purport to be happy...

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, baboon said:

Yes I have and everything is in decline. Far removed from the sunlit uplands and the German car industry seeing to it that we would flourish.

A shabby, bankrupt and unhappy place being driven into the gutter by the most venal, corrupt and incompetent government in living memory. 

But hey! Just as long as you purport to be happy...

Are you happy and content with Thailand and your life in Thailand ?

[baboon]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Are you happy and content with Thailand and your life in Thailand ?

Reasonably so, yes. Thanks for the interest...

[candide]

25 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No need for brand new Free Trade Deals, it's closer to one hundred signed replicated existing deals actually. Plenty of others in negotiation and preparation too.

The rest of the world is more than happy to trade with the UK and doesn't care about the EU and your fictitious claims.

 

You are right. The UK has succeeded in mimicking nearly all EU trade deals it had access to before Brexit. However  which are the significant trade deals which the EU doesn't have? Where are the promised game changing deals triggered by UK's new "freedom"?

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, candide said:

You are right. The UK has succeeded in mimicking nearly all EU trade deals it had access to before Brexit. However  which are the significant trade deals which the EU doesn't have? Where are the promised game changing deals triggered by UK's new "freedom"?

They're all deals between the New UK Freestate and rest of the world. Nobody else regards us as a pariah or untrustworthy international lawbreaker as some posters sneer. Everyone is happy to trade with the UK, except the EU who want to make it too difficult.

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, baboon said:

A shabby, bankrupt and unhappy place being driven into the gutter 

I would not say that about Northern Ireland. Islington and the London Labour Boroughs maybe, as described by The Garuniad and its chattering class readership, but the rest of the mainland is still getting by without adverse effects.

[Joe Farang]

On 6/10/2022 at 3:52 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Could you give a link to the UK immigration  Website that only accepts USA $ as payment ?

  {I have just looked on the UK Gov website and Thai people transiting through the UK to Ireland , do not even need to have a UK visa }

This was around 6 years ago. There were/are no immigration checks between Ireland back then, so there would have been nothing to stop a Thai without a uk visa from not travelling on.

The online application was on the gov.uk site.

[Mac Mickmanus]

32 minutes ago, Joe Farang said:

This was around 6 years ago. There were/are no immigration checks between Ireland back then, so there would have been nothing to stop a Thai without a uk visa from not travelling on.

The online application was on the gov.uk site.

I really think that you must be mistaken 

If a Thai National landed at Heathrow , theu would need a UK visa to leave the airport 

A U.K Gov website wouldn't only accept US $ as payment 

Post the website up 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

They're all deals between the New UK Freestate and rest of the world. Nobody else regards us as a pariah or untrustworthy international lawbreaker as some posters sneer. Everyone is happy to trade with the UK, except the EU who want to make it too difficult.

One of the main argument for Brexit has been that the "new" global UK would be able to strike significant deals which would not have been possible for the EU to make  (because of EU bureaucracy, etc...)

So what did UK achieve in terms of trade deals which has not been made already (or close to completion ) by the EU? And if any, how significant?