Criticism for school and teachers after mum posts about bullying of her primary child by secondary students

[webfact]

Daily News Thai Caption: M2 in repeated kicking attack of P4 student

 

A mother went on the popular site on Facebook of "esorkhayeekhao" to relate a disturbing story about her child being bullied by older pupils at a school in Chanthaburi, eastern Thailand.

 

The P4 child was repeated punched and kicked and threatened at the boarding school at night.

 

The child suffered severe bruising. 

 

The child was told not to tell anyone including parents otherwise things would get worse. They were told not to cry or tell teachers.

 

Netizens weighed in with criticsm of the school and teachers for allowing such a situation to get out of hand.

 

As well as express concern for the child who was being bullied.

 

Daily News said it was just the latest of many stories in the press of bullying by older pupils of younger ones in Thai schools.  

 

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[kingstonkid]

There should be teachers sleeping and living on floors of young children.  

[RichardColeman]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

Daily News said it was just the latest of many stories in the press of bullying by older pupils of younger ones in Thai schools.  

Only have to watch the boys playing on the field where we exercise every day to see its a normal part of Thai society

[Bangkok Barry]

Humans instinctively dislike, even hate, other humans. It first shows itself in the bullying that takes place in schools anywhere in the world. Where does it come from at such a young age? People are born with it. Most go on to control it - but who welcomes a fellow human sitting next to them on a bus or train, for example?

 

Then there are the thousands of Twitter messages sent each day, insulting or sometimes threatening messages directed at complete strangers. So many resenting people who, deep down, are just like them with the same hopes and dreams, because they look different and might have a different culture. And look at the amount of mistreatment of innocent animals, some killing them for fun. For fun!. Humans are not nice.

[Tropposurfer]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Humans instinctively dislike, even hate, other humans. It first shows itself in the bullying that takes place in schools anywhere in the world. Where does it come from at such a young age? People are born with it. Most go on to control it - but who welcomes a fellow human sitting next to them on a bus or train, for example?

 

Then there are the thousands of Twitter messages sent each day, insulting or sometimes threatening messages directed at complete strangers. So many resenting people who, deep down, are just like them with the same hopes and dreams, because they look different and might have a different culture. And look at the amount of mistreatment of innocent animals, some killing them for fun. For fun!. Humans are not nice.

Sorry to tell you Barry but very very few people are "born this way".

There are some, very few, true sociopathic, psychopathic people. Such people are cruel and violent even as small children and can even as babies with other babies be malicious but they are extremely rare.  Such signs as killing animals as a small child, obsession with violent things, attraction to guns, knives can be signs along with others indicators of concern. Harming other kids with zero cold numbed feelings, etc. are some of the actions we see in such disordered people.

You gotta have a bunch of the indicators of these two serious disorders to be classified as pathologically cruel and violent.

 

Most children who bully are NOT of these two categories but have been socialised to be so. Despite one of the social misconceptions, (one of our greatest cultural denials actually) children learn nearly all their socialisation skills, including violent ones, or lack thereof in the home environment not in school or through some strange out-of-home osmosis, and, we all learn what we learn well before the age of 3. Freud was spot on when he spoke of how we are foundationally imprinted before the age of 2.

 

It is true that reinforcement take place outside the home and after the age of 2 but the predictors begin in the home very very early, even as far back as in-vitro, and in the first touching and eye contact with mother after birth. This 'home environment' can include non-parental upbringings too e.g. aunts, grandparents, children's homes etc.

 

It is widely accepted and data seems to prove this; That bullies, or groups who bully do so because they themselves have been abused in some ways and are seeking an 'outlet' for the feelings they cannot express in the face of their more powerful abusers, and or they align with the bully in order to not suffer as others have in their past or do in the present moments.

 

Bullies objectify another just as they have been, or perhaps how someone they love has been bullied or also treated as powerless as they have been - objectified (mother, siblings), and which as a powerless small child they have witnessed.

Often children in order to survive will hold their abuser (their parents or the replacement love object) as blameless on some levels which is done through repressing and sublimating the experiences. Done because its not possible to understand or process what is happening without loosing their tiny minds.

So they repress the terror of this abandonment moment (the bond between the carer being ripped away in the original abuse moment/s). They then suppress, then cycle between introjecting and projecting their hurt, fear, rage etc.

Now I grant you what I have said here is a simple, and partial explanation of some of what takes place in 'most' bullies and is by no means is a definitive corollary of the subject.  

[Bangkok Barry]

16 minutes ago, Tropposurfer said:

Sorry to tell you Barry but very very few people are "born this way".

There are some, very few, true sociopathic, psychopathic people. Such people are cruel and violent even as small children and can even as babies with other babies be malicious but they are extremely rare.  Such signs as killing animals as a small child, obsession with violent things, attraction to guns, knives can be signs along with others indicators of concern. Harming other kids with zero cold numbed feelings, etc. are some of the actions we see in such disordered people.

You gotta have a bunch of the indicators of these two serious disorders to be classified as pathologically cruel and violent.

 

Most children who bully are NOT of these two categories but have been socialised to be so. Despite one of the social misconceptions, (one of our greatest cultural denials actually) children learn nearly all their socialisation skills, including violent ones, or lack thereof in the home environment not in school or through some strange out-of-home osmosis, and, we all learn what we learn well before the age of 3. Freud was spot on when he spoke of how we are foundationally imprinted before the age of 2.

 

It is true that reinforcement take place outside the home and after the age of 2 but the predictors begin in the home very very early, even as far back as in-vitro, and in the first touching and eye contact with mother after birth. This 'home environment' can include non-parental upbringings too e.g. aunts, grandparents, children's homes etc.

 

It is widely accepted and data seems to prove this; That bullies, or groups who bully do so because they themselves have been abused in some ways and are seeking an 'outlet' for the feelings they cannot express in the face of their more powerful abusers, and or they align with the bully in order to not suffer as others have in their past or do in the present moments.

 

Bullies objectify another just as they have been, or perhaps how someone they love has been bullied or also treated as powerless as they have been - objectified (mother, siblings), and which as a powerless small child they have witnessed.

Often children in order to survive will hold their abuser (their parents or the replacement love object) as blameless on some levels which is done through repressing and sublimating the experiences. Done because its not possible to understand or process what is happening without loosing their tiny minds.

So they repress the terror of this abandonment moment (the bond between the carer being ripped away in the original abuse moment/s). They then suppress, then cycle between introjecting and projecting their hurt, fear, rage etc.

Now I grant you what I have said here is a simple, and partial explanation of some of what takes place in 'most' bullies and is by no means is a definitive corollary of the subject.  

Thanks for your comments. What you write emphasises what to me is a major fault in society, that anyone, anyone at all, can be a parent, no matter how unsuitable or unqualified they are. But that is the way society operates, and that is a reason that young kids brought up in the wrong environment by unsuitable parents can react negatively - and so the chain continues. All a bit primitive, really.

[Rhys]

otherwise known as Punks..

[hotchilli]

17 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

There should be teachers sleeping and living on floors of young children.  

I have reservations about that... 

I would rather think CCTV strategically placed and monitored would be a better choice.

I'm sure bullies don't want to be recorded.

[kingstonkid]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

I have reservations about that... 

I would rather think CCTV strategically placed and monitored would be a better choice.

I'm sure bullies don't want to be recorded.

There are always  blank areas for CCTV you can never cover everything.  Do you want cctv in bathrooms.

 

While there scan be problems with teachers I would feel a lot safer if t here was someone sleeping in the area that could keep an eye on kids making sure that they do go to sleep at reasonable hours.

I taught at a matayom school that had no supervision and would you like to take a guess where a lot of the male students and female students slept

A teacher walking the halls is not a bad thing or hire a couple of parents to do it.