1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Getting back to topic.

 

The new PM will be elected by the rank and file of the Tory Constituency Party, a group of people who are not representative of the public at large but who are predominantly old and retired (therefore living on fixed incomes or soon to be living on fixed incomes).

 

Inflation is a very significant concern for people living on fixed incomes and with savings under threat.

 

The two candidates are offering diametrically opposed fiscal policies.
 

Sunak is proposing policies to fight inflation.

 

Truss is proposing policies to cut taxes and spend which are widely criticized on the basis they will increase inflation.

That’s the choice people for whom inflation is a significant concern have before them.

 

It is the visible split in the Tory Party.

You haven't listened to the finalists explanations regarding their approach to fight inflation that are out there, have you...?..????.......????

3 minutes ago, transam said:

You haven't listened to the finalists explanations regarding their approach to fight inflation that are out there, have you...?..????.......????

Liz Truss plans to fight inflation by cutting taxes. It is to laugh.

13 minutes ago, transam said:

You haven't listened to the finalists explanations regarding their approach to fight inflation that are out there, have you...?..????.......????

Please, please, please outline what these are. Go on, it will so make my day to hear your outline. 
 

Bear in mind the article on truss’ tax policies and the expert opinion contained in that I posted earlier. 

15 minutes ago, transam said:

You haven't listened to the finalists explanations regarding their approach to fight inflation that are out there, have you...?..????.......????

Odd you should say that, because I have.

 

I have also paid attention to the response from economists to the proposals being made by the candidates.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Odd you should say that, because I have.

 

I have also paid attention to the response from economists to the proposals being made by the candidates.

One thing we can be sure of is that neither Sunak nor Truss will be proposing to raise taxes on the rich  or do away with loopholes such as "non-dom".

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Liz Truss plans to fight inflation by cutting taxes. It is to laugh.

Which just goes to show you have not listened to her reasoning, but I'm not surprised.... ????

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

One thing we can be sure of is that neither Sunak nor Truss will be proposing to raise taxes on the rich  or do away with loopholes such as "non-dom".

That's for sure.  However my concern the final decision will not be based on prudent economic policies of either candidate.  Based on various media channels I have listened to the conservative membership tends be to the right, far right of the political spectrum and it is suggested by some that they will be inclined to vote for a white British person rather than a British person of colour. Now I hope that is not the case as the person selected should be the one most capable of getting the UK out of the economic mess it is currently in, not the colour of their skin.

12 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Please, please, please outline what these are. Go on, it will so make my day to hear your outline. 
 

Bear in mind the article on truss’ tax policies and the expert opinion contained in that I posted earlier. 

I am not your errand boy, Youtube is a good start for you...????

 

And again, her name is spelled "Truss", please don't be disrespectful, there's a good chap....

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Odd you should say that, because I have.

 

I have also paid attention to the response from economists to the proposals being made by the candidates.

Not The Guardian.....????

1 minute ago, transam said:

I am not your errand boy, Youtube is a good start for you...????

 

And again, her name is spelled "Truss", please don't be disrespectful, there's a good chap....

YouTube…LOL. 
 

Please refer to the article on truss’ tax plans and come back again after digesting the expert opinion contained within it. 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I'm in the UK, I hear constant discussion of the cost of living, fuel/energy prices, inflation.

 

I don’t hear any discussion about rightwing ‘culture wars’.

 

People are far too focussed on simply getting by in their own lives to be in the slightest bit bothered about how other people live theirs.

 

Nobody is interested in the faux outrage of rightwing ’culture wars’, it’s not even on the radar.

 

And quit the gaslighting, Johnson was brought down by his own failings and his own party.

 

Not some lefty skulduggery.

It’s a measure of the company you keep. You are obviously mixing in the wrong circles. 

 

The general population is totally fed up with the PC Gone Mad / Woke Nonsense / Culture Wars. (Delete according to decade.) It’s forced down everybody’s throat by the progressive out of touch liberal left. There is outrage but they are not allowed to post it on social media like the left are. 

Yes, everybody is also feeling the pinch, but understand where it is coming from and that it is an issue globally, not brought about by Boris. For the past year the government has not been able to function properly while the anti-Boris witch hunt was underway. 
 

Boris was brought down by a combined and concerted effort of the Left and MSM Remainers, who hate him and Brexit.
Lefty skullduggery at its’ spiteful and vicious worst. 

Just now, transam said:

Which just goes to show you have not listened to her reasoning, but I'm not surprised.... ????

This panacea has been pushed by lots of conservatives since at least the Reagan era in the United States. Whatever the economic problems being addressed, tax cuts are always their solution. And they never deliver. 

 

I have listened to her. Have you? Her reasoning is bizarre. She claims that because inflation is being fueled by a shortage of supply, that her tax cuts will encourage that supply to increase. What makes this obviously nonsense is that ordinarily when demand outstrips supply, supply will increase to satisfy that demand. At least that's what free market economists say pretty much starting with Adam Smith. Does the Invisible Hand ring any bells for you? But as everyone who's reasonably sentient understands is that supply is pinched now because of disruptions due to covid and the War in Ukraine. So supply is hard pressed to meet demand.  So if you increase the amount of cash chasing what there is of  that limited supply, that increase will exert an upward pressure on prices. This is basic economics.

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

YouTube…LOL. 
 

Please refer to the article on truss’ tax plans and come back again after digesting the expert opinion contained within it. 

It would be of no use to you.........????

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

It’s a measure of the company you keep. You are obviously mixing in the wrong circles. 

 

The general population is totally fed up with the PC Gone Mad / Woke Nonsense / Culture Wars. (Delete according to decade.) It’s forced down everybody’s throat by the progressive out of touch liberal left. There is outrage but they are not allowed to post it on social media like the left are. 

Yes, everybody is also feeling the pinch, but understand where it is coming from and that it is an issue globally, not brought about by Boris. For the past year the government has not been able to function properly while the anti-Boris witch hunt was underway. 
 

Boris was brought down by a combined and concerted effort of the Left and MSM Remainers, who hate him and Brexit.
Lefty skullduggery at its’ spiteful and vicious worst. 

Johnson was brought down by his own failures and his own political colleagues following two stunning Tory defeats in bi-elections.

 

Beyond success at the ballot box, the ‘Left’ had no part in any of Johnson’s ousting.

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This panacea has been pushed by lots of conservatives since at least the Reagan era in the United States. Whatever the economic problems being addressed, tax cuts are always their solution. And they never deliver. 

 

I have listened to her. Have you? Her reasoning is bizarre. She claims that because inflation is being fueled by a shortage of supply, that her tax cuts will encourage that supply to increase. What makes this obviously nonsense is that ordinarily when demand outstrips supply, supply will increase to satisfy that demand. At least that's what free market economists say pretty much starting with Adam Smith. Does the Invisible Hand ring any bells for you? But as everyone who's reasonably sentient understands is that supply is pinched now because of disruptions due to covid and the War in Ukraine. So supply is hard pressed to meet demand.  So if you increase the amount of cash chasing what there is of  that limited supply, that increase will exert an upward pressure on prices. This is basic economics.

I told you I have listened to her ideas....

You are an economist now...?       ????

2 minutes ago, transam said:

I told you I have listened to her ideas....

You are an economist now...?       ????

So your reply to the points I have raised is that you "have listened to her ideas..." This is your idea of a rebuttal? You've got nothing.

They can't elect Liz to be PM.

It's as plain as day the poor woman is not up to the job.

She doesn't know the Black Sea from the Baltic, she believes dogs scare drones, Johnson only supports her to get back at 'treacherous' Sunak and to make himself look better when compared to the future dimmest PM in UK history.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, transam said:

It would be of no use to you.........????

You don’t know how the candidates will tackle inflation…thought so.
 

Ah well, no worries-I don’t think redliz does either. 

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So your reply to the points I have raised is that you "have listened to her ideas..." This is your idea of a rebuttal? You've got nothing.

What do you mean, "I've got nothing"...?

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You don’t know how the candidates will tackle inflation…thought so.
 

Ah well, no worries-I don’t think redliz does either. 

More guesswork eh, but yes I have listened to Rishi & Truss monetary explanations, but alas I am not an economist, are you...?

1 minute ago, transam said:

What do you mean, "I've got nothing"...?

You've offered nothing to rebut any of the points I've made. Or for that matter of anyone else. And you refuse to provide the sources of your information but instead ask others to go look for it. You have provided no evidence at all that you can even back up your claim that you actually have listened to her ideas since you refuse to discuss them.

4 minutes ago, transam said:

More guesswork eh, but yes I have listened to Rishi & Truss monetary explanations, but alas I am not an economist, are you...?

Guesswork? Nope I have read the economists dissection of truss’ tax cut plans and how they will not work. 
 

I did study economics at school for my A levels and in my first year at uni but no I’m not an economist. 
 

That’s why I read expert opinion…

Edited July 22, 20224 yr by Bluespunk

Just now, placeholder said:

You've offered nothing to rebut any of the points I've made. Or for that matter of anyone else. And you refuse to provide the sources of your information but instead ask others to go look for it. You have provided no evidence at all that you can even back up your claim that you actually have listened to her ideas since you refuse to discuss them.

So you want a video...........????

Just now, transam said:

So you want a video...........????

Still nothing.

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Guesswork? Nope I have read the economists dissection of truss’ tax cut plans and how they will not work. 
 

I did study economics at school and in my first year at uni but no I’m not an economist. 
 

That’s why I read expert opinion…

So you listened to a bloke's opinion, where another bloke may disagree........... ????

You are not an economist....Thank you.

 

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Still nothing.

Do you want a video....I can't be fairer than that...????

Just now, transam said:

So you listened to a bloke's opinion, where another bloke may disagree........... ????

You are not an economist....Thank you.

 

No, I read experts dissect truss’ plans and formed an opinion based on that. 
 

Now, as you have failed when requested to do so previously, please explain your understanding on how sunak and truss will tackle inflation. 

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Do you want a video....I can't be fairer than that...????

What is it with right wingers and videos? Don't you people read anymore? Are you all dyslexic?

Just now, Bluespunk said:

No, I read experts dissect truss’ plans and formed an opinion based on that. 
 

Now, as you have failed when requested to do so previously, please explain your understanding on how sunak and truss will tackle inflation. 

As I said, I am not an economist, nor are you, but what I do understand is that Ms.Truss seems to be pointing out the Rishi's stuff ain't working, her ideas will take a different tack....

 

PS. It's "Truss"....I think you will get the hang of it eventually...????

PS. 

I just want Liz to win so I can say "Tories turn to Truss for support".

 

Fetching my coat