Scott Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Washington (CNN) After months of internal debate, the Biden administration has offered to exchange Viktor Bout, a convicted Russian arms trafficker serving a 25-year US prison sentence, as part of a potential deal to secure the release of two Americans held by Russia, Brittney Griner and Paul Whelan, according to people briefed on the matter. These sources told CNN that the plan to trade Bout for Whelan and Griner received the backing of President Joe Biden after being under discussion since earlier this year. Biden's support for the swap overrides opposition from the Department of Justice, which is generally against prisoner trades. "We communicated a substantial offer that we believe could be successful based on a history of conversations with the Russians," a senior administration official told CNN Wednesday. https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/27/politics/griner-whelan-biden-offer-viktor-bout-exchange-russia-arms-dealer/index.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vandeventer Posted July 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2022 One druggie for another druggie that sounds fair? Don't Biden have more important things to do with his short time left, like get America out of the Recession, stop the border jumpers, less crime more police, the list goes on and on as Americans are getting more and more fed-up with the Dems. 7 7 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wombat Posted July 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2022 Rrtfpmsl...I remember his not so covert rendition from LOS. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Credo Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, vandeventer said: One druggie for another druggie that sounds fair? Don't Biden have more important things to do with his short time left, like get America out of the Recession, stop the border jumpers, less crime more police, the list goes on and on as Americans are getting more and more fed-up with the Dems. The US is not in recession. 3 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Koguma Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, vandeventer said: One druggie for another druggie that sounds fair? Sounds like you've swallowed the full load of Putin's propaganda. Congrats! 4 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vandeventer Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, Credo said: The US is not in recession. What's the Dems. new name for it? Tell it to the millions of Americans that are suffering. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, vandeventer said: What's the Dems. new name for it? Tell it to the millions of Americans that are suffering. It’s called inflation it’s a concern for all humans on the planet as it’s affecting all countries on our little world mostly brought on by mr Putin’s war of conquest in Ukraine at least we have a competent person in charge who is smart enough to get out of the way of the experts to let them get a handle on it hope that helps………. 4 1 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 Biden is in a no-win situation. Not doing the trade would result in non-stop grief from the families. Doing the trade "could" result in open season for Americans overseas if brutal dictators think they can have a bargaining chip. Word is that Bout has already done most of his time. So if he's released early....not a huge deal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Old Croc Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, vandeventer said: One druggie for another druggie that sounds fair? Don't Biden have more important things to do with his short time left, like get America out of the Recession, stop the border jumpers, less crime more police, the list goes on and on as Americans are getting more and more fed-up with the Dems. Facts (alternates?) are not a strong point for some. Apart from not knowing what a recession is, you don't seem to know the difference between an arms dealer and a drug dealer/user. The irony with the Bout case is that the US convicted him on charges related to conspiracy to provide war weapons to a neighboring country that could be used to kill Americans in that country. (DEA agents). He's been in prison for ten years, you would think the US would be happen to be rid of him to free their own. The basketball player should feel fortunate she is so tall. If she had to rely on her brains to make a living she would come up well short. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) Doesn't this tell Russia they can pretty much scoop up any American and get a very lop-sided trade? Or does it tell Americans , that have klout, to do as they please in Foreign countries? Edited July 28, 2022 by IAMHERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmerjo Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I think the Americans are selling themselves short. In this day and age when the west and east are running around the world drumming up support to their causes. Arms dealers would be at the top of the employment pile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Credo Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, vandeventer said: What's the Dems. new name for it? Tell it to the millions of Americans that are suffering. Sure. And you stop posting information that is false. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandeventer Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, Old Croc said: Facts (alternates?) are not a strong point for some. Apart from not knowing what a recession is, you don't seem to know the difference between an arms dealer and a drug dealer/user. The irony with the Bout case is that the US convicted him on charges related to conspiracy to provide war weapons to a neighboring country that could be used to kill Americans in that country. (DEA agents). He's been in prison for ten years, you would think the US would be happen to be rid of him to free their own. The basketball player should feel fortunate she is so tall. If she had to rely on her brains to make a living she would come up well short. Arms dealers live on drugs that's how they get caught. Why all the concern over her when hundreds of Americans are still held in Afghanistan. I know your not but a lot of Dems. are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Sydebolle Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 Well, well, what do you know. Bout's stint in Thailand is a vidid memory and now he might get a ticket home? I thought, however, that Biden stopped talking to Russians and his NATO-slaves had to follow suit. Contrary to the Cold War, East Berlin is no longer and Checkpoint Charlie got turned into a museum, I now wonder, how and where this swap might take place. This traditional trading gate/bridge between West and East Berlin saw countless spies, prisoners and system-critical shadows scurrying or darting sides. Stay tuned, John le Carré - regretfully no longer among us - would have had a field day ............ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Aussieroaming Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 Throw in Trump for free, that should seal the deal. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrogaz Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 5 hours ago, Koguma said: Sounds like you've swallowed the full load of Putin's propaganda. Congrats! Sounds like you have swallowed a lot of US propaganda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT555 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 5 hours ago, vandeventer said: What's the Dems. new name for it? Tell it to the millions of Americans that are suffering. We ARE SUFFERING....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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unblocktheplanet Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Viktor Bout may be a very bad man, at least according to Hollywood & the DEA. That does not alter the fact that he was entrapped by foreign agents on our sovereign soil. He was not freed despite Thai judicial refusal of extradition. An American plane was on full-time standby on the tarmac at Don Muang waiting to take this "Lord of War" (oooooh!) to a US gulag. As expected, Bout got 35 years despite the US judge finding "discrepancies" & "inconsistencies" in the case against him and a "measure of shock" at the urgency of his rendition. So...who are the real lords of war? American arms dealers, all legal & all, just can take the heat of competition from a freewheeling entrepreneur. It's a dirty business to facilitate killing people, no matter who does it. We want an equal playing field, some American politicians & CEOs should get to be cellies with Viktor. Connivance & trickery isn't democracy. The US gave Thailand no Vaseline for doing its dirty work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 14 hours ago, vandeventer said: Arms dealers live on drugs that's how they get caught. Why all the concern over her when hundreds of Americans are still held in Afghanistan. I know your not but a lot of Dems. are. It's spelt them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinBoy2 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) Trouble is Putin is recreating a version, so beloved by him, of the USSR in todays Russia. We're all old enough, well most of us, to have lived through the cold war where having 'something to trade' was the name of the game and prisoner swaps were common. I feel like we're living in a John le Carré novel right now. I think we all thought after the fall of communism, Russia would end up looking more like us. Unfortunately after a brief flirtation I think it's increasingly looking like the old USSR Edited July 28, 2022 by GinBoy2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyWarbucks Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 6 hours ago, GinBoy2 said: Trouble is Putin is recreating a version, so beloved by him, of the USSR in todays Russia. We're all old enough, well most of us, to have lived through the cold war where having 'something to trade' was the name of the game and prisoner swaps were common. I feel like we're living in a John le Carré novel right now. I think we all thought after the fall of communism, Russia would end up looking more like us. Unfortunately after a brief flirtation I think it's increasingly looking like the old USSR That's the crux of the problem... after the fall of their empire they did indeed ",,,end up looking more like us." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 8:45 AM, Tug said: It’s called inflation it’s a concern for all humans on the planet as it’s affecting all countries on our little world mostly brought on by mr Putin’s war of conquest in Ukraine at least we have a competent person in charge who is smart enough to get out of the way of the experts to let them get a handle on it hope that helps………. Sarcasm is strong in this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 9:05 AM, farmerjo said: I think the Americans are selling themselves short. In this day and age when the west and east are running around the world drumming up support to their causes. Arms dealers would be at the top of the employment pile. Well, given what the Ukraine war has revealed about the quality of Russian weaponry, maybe a dealer who trades in Russian weaponry isn't such a hot commodity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GinBoy2 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 9 hours ago, placeholder said: Well, given what the Ukraine war has revealed about the quality of Russian weaponry, maybe a dealer who trades in Russian weaponry isn't such a hot commodity. I think you're right. Maybe with hindsight we should never have been afraid of the Russian Bear, with perhaps the exception of the nukes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 9 hours ago, GinBoy2 said: I think you're right. Maybe with hindsight we should never have been afraid of the Russian Bear, with perhaps the exception of the nukes! Or you've been sucked into believing propaganda to make you feel good. There was never any doubts placed on Russian arms in Afghanistan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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