37 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

But it now seems that its gotton to the stage where if you question anything , you are labelled as being a right wing conspiracy theorist nutter .

   Any legitimate concerns or questions and they are thrown into the conspiracy theorist bin , along with the Chemtrails and people being aliens/lizards .

   Questioning how an airplane managed to fly into the Pentagon and you are a right wing nutter  

Whoever that "you" may be, they are.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Terrible example actually, the planes were hijacked that's how.

Although I wouldn't be asking why the planes crashed into the Pentagon, I would be asking how they managed to do the difficult manoeuvres to get into the position to hit the pentagon at such a low level and without the plane stalling and also why wasn't the CCTV footage ever released ?

16 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That is quite a good example though .

Because no one is actually questioning whether 9/11 happened . 

But even questioning anything about it , you would get called a nutter , like you have done .

  "How would an airplane manage to.............................." 

"Be quiet you right wing  nutter and don't ask questions " 

Haven't you seen the conspiracy theories that say it was an inside job?

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Haven't you seen the conspiracy theories that say it was an inside job?

I have seen some people ask questions about things .

But they usually get dismissed as being nutters .

Seems like its only "nutters" that ask questions these day ?

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I have seen some people ask questions about things .

But they usually get dismissed as being nutters .

Seems like its only "nutters" that ask questions these day ?

In general people feel entitled to dismiss conspiracy theories surrounding a single even like that without a shred of evidence after 22 years.

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Although I wouldn't be asking why the planes crashed into the Pentagon, I would be asking how they managed to do the difficult manoeuvres to get into the position to hit the pentagon at such a low level and without the plane stalling and also why wasn't the CCTV footage ever released ?

Seems your spending some time on conspiracy sites.

Security cameras point down at entrances and sidewalks, not up 80 stories at a completely different building.

23 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That is quite a good example though .

Because no one is actually questioning whether 9/11 happened . 

But even questioning anything about it , you would get called a nutter , like you have done .

  "How would an airplane manage to.............................." 

"Be quiet you right wing  nutter and don't ask questions " 

Many are questioning whether 9/11 happened. You sure gave the impression to be one of them.

 

No, I didn't call anyone questing anything about 9/11 a nutter, I called people who question it happened nutters 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Seems your spending some time on conspiracy sites.

Security cameras point down at entrances and sidewalks, not up 80 stories at a completely different building.

The Pentagon isn't 80 stories high , its about six stories high . The airplane hit the pentagon at just above ground level and there were many CCTV cameras in the location and the footage was confiscated and never shown .

   Why was there no airplane shaped hole in the Pentagon building where the airplane entered ?

$45 million in punitive damages says it all. Great to see someone who has made a career out of lying for profit get his.

I do have to wonder where the human race is headed, when mouth-breathers not only believed him, but also sent him money.

Seems to me I saw another example of that fairly recently.

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Pentagon isn't 80 stories high , its about six stories high . The airplane hit the pentagon at just above ground level and there were many CCTV cameras in the location and the footage was confiscated and never shown .

   Why was there no airplane shaped hole in the Pentagon building where the airplane entered ?

Possibly because the CCTV cameras belonged to the Pentagon? There was huge plane parked in the front yard with lots of dead bodies scattered around..

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2017/mar/31/pentagon-after-911-attack-american-airlines-flight-77-in-pictures

Edited August 7, 20223 yr by ozimoron

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Pentagon isn't 80 stories high , its about six stories high . The airplane hit the pentagon at just above ground level and there were many CCTV cameras in the location and the footage was confiscated and never shown .

   Why was there no airplane shaped hole in the Pentagon building where the airplane entered ?

We've got a live one.

 

"In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells Popular Mechanics, "it didn't happen."

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911-myths-pentagon/

 

You know you could actually look this stuff up.

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Possibly because the CCTV cameras belonged to the Pentagon? There was huge plane parked in the front yard with lots of dead bodies scattered around..

Could you post them photos up, as I haven't seen them before 

 

14 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Pentagon isn't 80 stories high , its about six stories high . The airplane hit the pentagon at just above ground level and there were many CCTV cameras in the location and the footage was confiscated and never shown .

   Why was there no airplane shaped hole in the Pentagon building where the airplane entered ?

More conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

Why would the security cameras be pointed at the sky? No one expected a domestic jet to crash into government buildings.

And why would they release secret videos which would help future attackers to know more about video surveillance? If you know more, then you have the ability to avoid the surveillance. This endangers US troops and defense.

There were plenty of photographs of the ensuing damage. There is video of the fire fighters and rescue operations.

The earth is round. Evolution is a fact. Vaccines work and save lives. Human caused climate change is real. The WW2 holocaust which killed millions of civilians, including six million Jews is a fact.

 

The footage of the impact they did obtain and release was from a security camera at a parking lot that happened to be facing in the right direction.

Edited August 7, 20223 yr by Bkk Brian

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Could you post them photos up, as I haven't seen them before 

 

9/11 conspiracy theories: How they've evolved

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-14665953

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

More conspiracy theory nonsense but lets take your posts one when step at a time as you gloss over your previous claims which were:

I gave you the reason there are no cctv of the twin towers do you acknowledge that school boy error first? The we can move onto the Pentagon

The discussion has turned rather hostile and condescending and veering on being abusive,   and it will end up getting worse, so its better if we move on and stop talking about it .

   When people start saying others are nonsense and nutters , its time to end the discussion .

  Anyway , about Alex Jones 

   

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

The discussion has turned rather hostile and condescending and veering on being abusive,   and it will end up getting worse, so its better if we move on and stop talking about it .

   When people start saying others are nonsense and nutters , its time to end the discussion .

  Anyway , about Alex Jones 

   

Fortunately the nonsense that Alex Jones has spewed out is costing him a lot of money and his nutter followers are being asked for donations....????

18 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Pentagon isn't 80 stories high , its about six stories high . The airplane hit the pentagon at just above ground level and there were many CCTV cameras in the location and the footage was confiscated and never shown .

   Why was there no airplane shaped hole in the Pentagon building where the airplane entered ?

Until it was shown

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-makes-public-9-11-footage/

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Here is your original comment about this:

In the USA. and where relevant in the West, these conspiracy theories don't or didn't command anywhere near the widespread allegiance to  birtherism, vaccine denialism, and electoral denialism.  These conspiracies theories are overwhelmingly right wing phenomenon. In addition most  of those you cited preceded the rise of social media.

No, they're all a nutter phenomenon....

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Fortunately the nonsense that Alex Jones has spewed out is costing him a lot of money and his nutter followers are being asked for donations....????

And so he should , his allegations about the school shootings were horrendous and its about time these people were clamped down on , its now like a competition about who can be the most extreme in their theories and people like him need to know that they need to keep within reality 

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

And so he should , his allegations about the school shootings were horrendous and its about time these people were clamped down on , its now like a competition about who can be the most extreme in their theories and people like him need to know that they need to keep within reality 

Oh just one of many of his extreme conspiracies, here's just a few more:

 

secret government operations behind chemtrails

The government has ‘weather weapons’

Chemicals in the water are turning frogs gay

Hillary Clinton is running a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor

Robert Mueller is a demon, and also a pedophile

Bush administration had taken part in a staged terror attack 7/11

1 hour ago, Jack100 said:

Seems the Sandy Hook parents will finally receive some closure - from closing A.J.'s bank account ! 

If they could only close his mouth as well, then it would be a good day for justice.

41 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Many are questioning whether 9/11 happened. You sure gave the impression to be one of them.

 

 

Completely untrue .

No one is actually questioning whether 9/11 happened or not .

Isnt asking how certain things happen, acknowledging they did happen ?

   Your post makes no sense at all .

Like, asking how an airplane crash , ISNT suggesting that the airline didn't crash .

   Your reasoning defies logic 

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Completely untrue .

No one is actually questioning whether 9/11 happened or not .

Isnt asking how certain things happen, acknowledging they did happen ?

   Your post makes no sense at all .

Like, asking how an airplane crash , ISNT suggesting that the airline didn't crash .

   Your reasoning defies logic 

My post was very true and sensible.

Your claim 'no one is questioning whether 9/11 happened' on the contrary is nonsense.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/seven-resources-debunking-911-conspiracy-theories

Edited August 7, 20223 yr by stevenl

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Completely untrue .

No one is actually questioning whether 9/11 happened or not .

Isnt asking how certain things happen, acknowledging they did happen ?

   Your post makes no sense at all .

Like, asking how an airplane crash , ISNT suggesting that the airline didn't crash .

   Your reasoning defies logic 

But asking why an airplane didn't punch an airplane shaped hole in a structure, when the answer was readily available online, does call someone's objectivity into question. And does give some insight into the kind of sources they use for information. And the kind they don't.

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

My post was very true and sensible.

Your claim 'no one is questioning whether 9/11 happened' on the contrary is nonsense.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/seven-resources-debunking-911-conspiracy-theories

No, people are questioning certain aspects of 9/11

No one is claiming that it didn't actually happen .

"How/Why did it happen" is very different to *It didn't happen* 

This is basic English, can you not see the difference between the two ?

Questioning something and denying something ?

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, people are questioning certain aspects of 9/11

No one is claiming that it didn't actually happen .

"How/Why did it happen" is very different to *It didn't happen* 

This is basic English, can you not see the difference between the two ?

Questioning something and denying something ?

When the obvious answers are ignored, it's clear that such questions are not being asked to elicit illumination but rather are rhetorical in nature.

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, people are questioning certain aspects of 9/11

No one is claiming that it didn't actually happen .

"How/Why did it happen" is very different to *It didn't happen* 

This is basic English, can you not see the difference between the two ?

Questioning something and denying something ?

See my link. Many are questioning planes flew into the twin towers and the Pentagon.

No surprise you don't understand though, there has to be a willingness to that.

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

See my link. Many are questioning planes flew into the twin towers and the Pentagon.

No surprise you don't understand though, there has to be a willingness to that.

Yes, but if anyone's stupid enough to question whether planes flew into the twin towers, those people should just be ignored and not taken seriously 

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, but if anyone's stupid enough to question whether planes flew into the twin towers, those people should just be ignored and not taken seriously 

As should people who question how they were flown or why when its clear they were hijacked along with testimony from cell phone logged calls from flight crew and passengers

Yawn, another thread pulled off-topic by bickerers.... This is exactly why I blank so many people nowadays ????