Justice Department makes redacted Mar-a-Lago affidavit public

[candide]

59 minutes ago, BonMot said:

The presidential election is based on an electoral college. Please consult wiki if need be.

 

While states cede all votes to the winner - they are still electoral votes and could in theory could be and have been contested and changed.

It's you who claimed people did not want Hillary. More people wanted Hillary than Trump.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, BonMot said:

Who knows...

 

Bipartisan lol. Not surprised. That's why I'm Independent / Libertarian

 

At the presidental level that's just rubbish. It nulls the electoral college. Mob rule.

 

Electoral college does not really exist at state level. I think 40/50 states have popular vote even for senatoral elections now I think about it.

Voter majority is mob rule? That's made my night. ???? I'm off to walking street now to laugh about that over a beer. Cheers!

 

You'd prefer the "conscience vote" of a certified elector to the democratic vote?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, BonMot said:

Wager?

 

Timeline?

Sorry, I don’t bet against the DOJ.

 

Stick around, we’re going to have some fun.

[BonMot]

23 minutes ago, candide said:

It's you who claimed people did not want Hillary. More people wanted Hillary than Trump.

Sigh...

[BonMot]

22 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Voter majority is mob rule? That's made my night. ???? I'm off to walking street now to laugh about that over a beer. Cheers!

 

You'd prefer the "conscience vote" of a certified elector to the democratic vote?

I think the electoral college is a proven success. I understand it's issues and weaknesses.

 

As much as I love the lumpen proletariat I've no interest in them governing me.

 

Which is in part why I'm here or rather... will never return.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, BonMot said:

All the Trump haters yet no one will take my wager.

 

I am betting one bottle of Johnny Walker Red to two bottles of Balvenie that Trump is not sitting in jail. One bottle payable by end of year, vthe next in six months and if you wish to double down the offer is good forever. Lol.

You obviously know as little about Whiskey as you do about how the justice system works.

I’ll do you another deal.

 

When Trump is thrown on gaol (and I don’t mind waiting)  I’ll bring along a real whiskey for the two of us to sit face to face and drink. 
 

You’ll get two educations that night, one will be an introduction to real whiskey.

 

Johnny Walker… are you trying to insult people?!

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, BonMot said:

The presidential election is based on an electoral college. Please consult wiki if need be.

 

While states cede all votes to the winner - they are still electoral votes and could in theory could be and have been contested and changed.

Each State has a slate of ‘official and lawfully appointed electors’.

 

Put a pin in that.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They’ll be along shortly bleating about the redactions.

We’ve got one:

 

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

Even CNN said the first few pages contained some information and the remainder as shown here were "redacted" in other words you could not decipher anything.   If there is nothing to hide and a clear predicate why hide it. 

 

 

 

[billd766]

3 hours ago, BonMot said:

Oh, I see... and therein lies the problem.

 

He didn't FULLY cooperate.

 

This is a witch-hunt and nothing will come of it. It distracts Trump and any energies he might have to run again toward this kerfuffle. It's just another Steele dossier, Russia hoax, etc..

 

Oh, I'm taking wagers. Nothing. All of you are just wasting your time as the liars waste Trump's.

I would rather believe the US AG and the Justice Department than some anonymous poster on an English language forum in Thailand. At least they know what they are talking about.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, BonMot said:

No law. delegates are obligated to vote as their the constituent voters. Nevertheless, they can vote their conscious. In practice it rarely happens.

 

Most states model this but in reality it's merely a formality and the popular vote stands.

So if the popular vote stands as you say, please explain why Trump is whining and crying that the election was stolen.

 

https://www.cfr.org/blog/2020-election-numbers

 

Biden won 81,283,098 votes, or 51.3 percent of the votes cast. He is the first U.S. presidential candidate to have won more than 80 million votes. Trump won 74,222,958 votes, or 46.8 percent of the votes cast. That’s more votes than any other presidential candidate has ever won, with the exception of Biden. (Third-party candidates picked up 1.8 percent of the votes cast.)

[johnnybangkok]

38 minutes ago, BonMot said:

Most likely because they substantiated the Russian collusion hoax. The FBI and DOJ both up to their eyes in this excrement.

 

Or... he could be selling nuclear secrets to Russia as liberal pundits have already claimed...lol x8

 

This is all just distraction:

1 Horrible Biden economy

2 Record inflation

3 Insane green agenda

4 Nation breaking debt levels

5 Biden is mentally failing

6 60 billion in Ukraine spending with weapons going ??

7 The hoax that was covid is out of the bag.

 

Wake up sheep

 

 

So wrong about so many things it's quite breathtaking to behold.

 

1 Horrible Biden economy - well he certainly seems to be doing fine with jobs (which most people care about) US employment 2020 - 147.8M 2021 - 152.58M 2022 - 158.28M. 528,000 including 528,000 new jobs in July alone.   https://www.statista.com/statistics/269959/employment-in-the-united-states/

2. Record inflation - this is a worldwide issue and not just America's problem. 

3 Insane green agenda - yeah because saving the planet isn't particulalrly important.

4 Nation breaking debt levels - The national debt rose by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump’s time in office.   https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

5 Biden is mentally failing - no he's not. Stop listening to Fox.

6 60 billion in Ukraine spending with weapons going - not even close, try $5.3 billion   https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3049483/fact-sheet-on-us-security-assistance-to-ukraine/

7 The hoax that was covid is out of the bag - You are really showing your tin-foil hat with this one so why don't you tell all the families, friends and loved ones of the 6 million who have already died, including myself who's friend of 54 years old (fit and no pre-existing ailments) died from Covid?

 

If your going to comment on these sort of things, at least do the minimum of research.

 

 

Edited August 27, 2022 by johnnybangkok

[FritsSikkink]

6 hours ago, BonMot said:

The thing, practically the only thing I like about Trump is the Trump derangement syndrome it inspires in morons and FSA Leftists.

 

Who HATES Trump? People that are broke and/or and woke.

 

The best part of all this is just like J6 committee, Spygate, Russiagate, Stormy Daniels and all the rest of it nothing will come of any of this. Yet, so many losers are out of their minds with hate. Hahaha. Trump is a buffoon but the notion that any man would rather have had Hillary Clinton in the WH... Just makes me a bit ill

Have loads of money, am not left, certainly not woke and have an IQ of 136.

What does "and/or and" mean?  

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

Even CNN said the first few pages contained some information and the remainder as shown here were "redacted" in other words you could not decipher anything.   If there is nothing to hide and a clear predicate why hide it. 

 

 

One reason was to conceal the names of witnesses. 

Trump has a penchant for witness tampering!

January 6: Trump Phone Call Could Be Witness Tampering (businessinsider.com)

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1 hour ago, BonMot said:

Who knows...

 

Bipartisan lol. Not surprised. That's why I'm Independent / Libertarian

 

At the presidental level that's just rubbish. It nulls the electoral college. Mob rule.

 

Electoral college does not really exist at state level. I think 40/50 states have popular vote even for senatoral elections now I think about it.

Clearly, you're a  not an Independent/Libertarian but rather a member of the Sore Loser Party who believes in whatever conspiracy theories explain political defeats that displease them.

 

Nullifies the electoral college? Really? All it would do is require electors to follow the majority vote in their state.

 

And clearly you are, to put it charitably, somewhat lacking in knowledge about the electoral system. The vote for senators never had anything to do with the electoral college. Never. It's only purpose was to select the President and vice-President

Edited August 27, 2022 by placeholder

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, BonMot said:

I think the electoral college is a proven success. I understand it's issues and weaknesses.

 

As much as I love the lumpen proletariat I've no interest in them governing me.

 

Which is in part why I'm here or rather... will never return.

You be proud to know that the antiquated US electoral college system still in used in countries like Burundi, Kazakhstan, Madagascar, Myanmar, Pakistan and Estonia. 

[FritsSikkink]

5 hours ago, BonMot said:

He did cooperate. Read the indictment. There were legal discussions ongoing.

There is nothing to discuss when you are in possession of security related items which don't belong to you.

If he made a mistake by taking them he should have returned them immediately. 

[ThailandRyan]

2 hours ago, jvs said:

Why did he take them in the first place?

 

That's a very good question....monetization maybe, or he owed someone somewhere the info.. 

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3 hours ago, jvs said:

Why did he take them in the first place?

 

I think he took them because basically he's infantile and a compulsive troll. This was his way of getting back at his perceived enemies.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

I think he took them because basically he's infantile and a compulsive troll. This was his way of getting back at his perceived enemies.

I think that it has backfired on him.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

That's a very good question....monetization maybe, or he owed someone somewhere the info.. 

Both of the above and possibly to hide info damaging to him personally.

[placeholder]

34 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I think that it has backfired on him.

He's not exactly a genius at long or even medium term planning.

[Bkk Brian]

Powerful piece by the editorial board of the New York Times detailing many of the cases against Trump including this latest Investigation

 

Donald Trump Is Not Above the Law

 

Mr. Trump’s actions as a public official, like no others since the Civil War, attacked the heart of our system of government. He used the power of his office to subvert the rule of law. If we hesitate to call those actions and their perpetrator criminal, then we are saying he is above the law and giving license to future presidents to do whatever they want.

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20220826194000/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/opinion/trump-documents-jan-6-prosecute.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/opinion/trump-documents-jan-6-prosecute.html

[bendejo]

18 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

What Trump has said about handling classified documents...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThCMjd7irLM

 

This is one time when I agree with the orange guy.  Very American of him to condemn himself and outline how he will punish himself. 

Jail to the chief!

 

 

[bendejo]

9 hours ago, LosLobo said:

A unredacted report from Barr's DOJ released this week, showed that Barr lied about the Mueller Report. The Mueller Report stated that Trump was guilty of obstruction and could be charged and that there was also evidence that he did collude with the Russians.

 

I would suggest that the average intelligent critical thinker could only come to one logical conclusion. ie Trump was lying when he called the Russian collusion a hoax.

Impressive the scant coverage of this.  It took big, brass ones for Barr to do his heavy redactions on that, and it stunk to high heaven.  Espionage for the boss, obstruction for Barr -- or is obstructing a crime of treason itself treason?  Barr seems to not care:

William Barr: Death is inevitable, legacies are meaningless

And then there's prison, Billy boy.

Now we're waiting for the dots to connect: the aid to the 2016 DT campaign received from abroad, the infamous Lavrov/Kislyak meeting in the Oval (where intel tracked that DT revealed secrets), the brown-nose rendezvous with Putin in Helsinki (DT declaring at worldwide press conference that he puts more trust in Putin than his own intelligence agencies), those very long telephone calls with Vlad, and who knows whatever else he did in those 4 years, and finding out that info from the Mar a Lago boxes is known in the Kremlin.

 

 

[bendejo]

9 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Still piling the evidence up my friend, still adding more to possibly incinerate his defense with....

The "give him enough rope" tactic paid off handsomely with this Boxgate business that no one saw coming, opening a new front of egregious activities to pursue in addition to the pending:

phony 2020 electors

clown convention to overthrow the 2020 vote

phone calls to officials in swing states

January 6th

and now The Boxes

 

Add to this the upcoming revisiting of the skullduggery connected to the 2016 election that Billy Barr managed to make go away.  For a while.

 

 

[bendejo]

9 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Even CNN said the first few pages contained some information and the remainder as shown here were "redacted" in other words you could not decipher anything.   If there is nothing to hide and a clear predicate why hide it. 

Great question!!  Best place to find your answer would be to dig up the threads from when the Mueller Report was released, plenty to learn there.

 

 

[LarrySR]

13 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Even CNN said the first few pages contained some information and the remainder as shown here were "redacted" in other words you could not decipher anything.   If there is nothing to hide and a clear predicate why hide it. 

 

 

Seriously, you’re baffled why there are redactions?

Clearly, you haven't been paying attention. Do a little homework before you post.

Edited August 28, 2022 by LarrySR

[Chomper Higgot]

I commented earlier that surely the FBI, Pentagon and US security services are assuming the TS/SCI documents Trump stole and illegally stored at Mar-a-Largo were seen by US adversaries.

 

Well look who got through Mar-a-Largo ‘security’:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/27/fake-heiress-infiltrates-mar-a-lago-trump

[ThailandRyan]

4 hours ago, bendejo said:

Great question!!  Best place to find your answer would be to dig up the threads from when the Mueller Report was released, plenty to learn there.

 

 

He expected the DOJ and FBI to tell him and the rest of the Trumpster brigade just why and who and when so they could go make sure the witnesses and such would recant and their beloved Donald would be free from this investigation or witch hunt as the Donald and his followers are calling it.  The ceiling for The Donald is slowly getting ready to collapse on him and his rhetoric will be silenced finally.

[LarrySR]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I commented earlier that surely the FBI, Pentagon and US security services are assuming the TS/SCI documents Trump stole and illegally stored at Mar-a-Largo were seen by US adversaries.

 

Well look who got through Mar-a-Largo ‘security’:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/27/fake-heiress-infiltrates-mar-a-lago-trump

Won’t be surprised when they release the Maralogo CCTV and see Putin disguised as the pool boy.