FBI found more than 11,000 government records at Trump's Florida home

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We learn Trump stole nuclear secrets.

 

Trump supporters respond (paraphrased).

 

‘The most serious problem here is we got to find out about it.’

 

 

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s start with who the thief is - at the time he stole the documents he was the President of the United States, Commander in Chief.

 

The guy the rightwing (and his hand picked AG) were arguing  was above the law.

 

 

You replied to my post with nothingness. 

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

What's much more troubling is if these supposedly papers of nuclear secrets can go missing without anyone knowing.

 

If one had criminal intent on stealing nuclear secrets would one not simply snap a few pics and be done with it. Why take the papers? Unless of course there was no criminal intent. 

What makes you think they didn't know? The FBI as reported in Reuters and Washington Post were looking for nuclear documents, well they found them. Nuclear documents and spy information, names etc is one thing Presidents cannot declassify.

[heybruce]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Far as I remember, the Russia thing was pretty much dismissed as fake, based on the Steele invention. Certainly, no charges were aid against Trump based on it. Is the BBC a satisfactory source?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59168626

In 2019, the Mueller investigation concluded that it could not determine any criminal conspiracy between Moscow and the Trump campaign.

 

This is deja vu, given we were being constantly told he was guilty, and going to jail back then.

The investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election was not a hoax.  From your source:

 

"In 2019, the Mueller investigation concluded that it could not determine any criminal conspiracy between Moscow and the Trump campaign."

"It also found that Russia had interfered in the election "in sweeping and systematic fashion", and outlined 10 times when Mr Trump possibly impeded the investigation."

[EVENKEEL]

14 minutes ago, heybruce said:

What non-criminal intent could there be?

I'm not a mind reader nor do I have clairvoyant abilities. I'm a mere mortal who asks simple questions one should consider. Why take sensitive documents for criminal intent when a few pics is easier? 

 

For consideration - Papers containing secret nuclear secrets for the US and allies have gone missing for what 20 months and nobody notices. This I find terribly terrifying.

[LosLobo]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Far as I remember, the Russia thing was pretty much dismissed as fake, based on the Steele invention. Certainly, no charges were aid against Trump based on it. Is the BBC a satisfactory source?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59168626

In 2019, the Mueller investigation concluded that it could not determine any criminal conspiracy between Moscow and the Trump campaign.

 

This is deja vu, given we were being constantly told he was guilty, and going to jail back then

Strange far as I remember 2019 has been overtaken by recent events. A redacted DOJ report was released last month which showed Barr lied to Congress. The Mueller report did say that Trump should be charged with obstruction and that there was evidence to show Trump conspired with Russia.

Also last month, Manafort publicly admitted the Trump Campaign did collude with Russia.

 

Suggest you keep up!

 

DOJ Obstruction Memo Reveals Bill Barr Is an Even Bigger Trump Hack Than Previously Thought | Vanity Fair

 

Ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort admits sharing info with Russians | The Independent

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by LosLobo

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

The investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election was not a hoax.  From your source:

 

"In 2019, the Mueller investigation concluded that it could not determine any criminal conspiracy between Moscow and the Trump campaign."

"It also found that Russia had interfered in the election "in sweeping and systematic fashion", and outlined 10 times when Mr Trump possibly impeded the investigation."

Possibly is not factual, It's a possibility or an opinion.

It did find that it could not say that Trump was guilty of criminal conspiracy, ergo not guilty as not found guilty in a court of law. Presumption of innocence and all that.

[EVENKEEL]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What makes you think they didn't know? The FBI as reported in Reuters and Washington Post were looking for nuclear documents, well they found them. Nuclear documents and spy information, names etc is one thing Presidents cannot declassify.

Adding nuclear documents to search list doesn't mean they knew what had gone missing. They could have been simply on a fishing expedition.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Strange far as I remember 2019 has been overtaken by recent events. A redacted DOJ report was released last month which showed Barr lied to Congress. The Mueller report did say that Trump should be charged with obstruction and that there was evidence to show Trump conspired with Russia.

Also last month, Manafort publicly admitted the Trump Campaign did collude with Russia.

 

Suggest you keep up!

 

DOJ Obstruction Memo Reveals Bill Barr Is an Even Bigger Trump Hack Than Previously Thought | Vanity Fair

 

You are saying the BBC publishes fake news then?

How about providing some evidence that Trump conspired.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Possibly is not factual, It's a possibility or an opinion.

It did find that it could not say that Trump was guilty of criminal conspiracy, ergo not guilty as not found guilty in a court of law. Presumption of innocence and all that.

Well back then he appointed a US AG who defended him against investigation s d prosecution.

 

He’s no longer President and Barr is no longer AG.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

Adding nuclear documents to search list doesn't mean they knew what had gone missing. They could have been simply on a fishing expedition.

Oh ok, got it, despite specifically looking for Nuclear documents and then retrieving them, your opinion is that this was a fluke..................lol Lets see if Trump comes up with this one too!

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are saying the BBC publishes fake news then?

How about providing some evidence that Trump conspired.

Deflecting again.

[Chomper Higgot]

Every new fact makes matters worse for Trump.

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh ok, got it, despite specifically looking for Nuclear documents and then retrieving them, your opinion is that this was a fluke..................lol Lets see if Trump comes up with this one too!

If I went online and printed out 1000's of pages related to nuclear info, would I too be guilty of having nuclear documents?

[Walker88]

The Washington Post has an article quoting sources saying that some of the documents found at MaL relate to "military nuclear capabilities of foreign nations".

 

Such material would carry many classifications, including RD (Restricted Data).

 

Not even a POTUS has the authority to declassify RD material, so 45's lies about "I declassified everything" would not matter even if it wasn't a lie (of course it is a lie). Unauthorized possession of RD material outside of a SCIF is a felony and a capital offense. That 45 had it at MaL is proof of guilt and the perp is subject to execution. Ask the Rosenbergs.

 

One wonders what 45's excuse...errr......LIE is going to be about having that material. Not sure if these RD docs were mixed with the clothing of the former softcore porn model who passes for his 3rd wife, as some docs were, but if yes, 45 is the kind of abject coward who would blame her.

 

Since magaville is enamored of slogans, here's one they might understand:

 

"Try him and fry him"

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

11 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Strange far as I remember 2019 has been overtaken by recent events. A redacted DOJ report was released last month which showed Barr lied to Congress. The Mueller report did say that Trump should be charged with obstruction and that there was evidence to show Trump conspired with Russia.

Also last month, Manafort publicly admitted the Trump Campaign did collude with Russia.

 

 

sometimes a simple picture helps understanding a situation.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

If I went online and printed out 1000's of pages related to nuclear info, would I too be guilty of having nuclear documents?

Not nuclear secrets, no.

[LosLobo]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are saying the BBC publishes fake news then?

How about providing some evidence that Trump conspired.

 

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are saying the BBC publishes fake news then?

How about providing some evidence that Trump conspired.

I can understand why you get confused about facts.

Do you not understand my post and the phase "overtaken by recent events"?

 

The BBC report was from 5 November 2021, last month was August 2022!

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

sometimes a simple picture helps understanding a situation.

For those who can’t read well enough to comprehend what the report actually said.

 

Mind, the Mueller report didn’t say anything about Trump steeling nuclear secrets either.

 

That’s something we’ve just found out… and curiously, it relates to the topic under discussion.

[Walker88]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

If I went online and printed out 1000's of pages related to nuclear info, would I too be guilty of having nuclear documents?

How is it hard for you to understand what should be obvious to anyone but a child?

 

The docs were CLASSIFIED. That means they are not just available anywhere or online. The LAW (law is a quaint concept now seemingly known only to non magats) states that classified docs must be kept in a secure location or SCIF, unless a trail of authorizations (non verbal and certainly not grandfathered) allows them to be removed for some specific and stated official purpose. Mere existence of docs outside of a SCIF or lacking the paper trail of authorization is a felony.

 

Get it?

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

If I went online and printed out 1000's of pages related to nuclear info, would I too be guilty of having nuclear documents?

Strange response? If you had access to the same highly classified documents that should have been kept under lock and key at the Whitehouse what do you think?

[LosLobo]

6 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

sometimes a simple picture helps understanding a situation.

I can also understand why you get confused about facts.

Do you not understand my post and the phase "overtaken by recent events"?

 

Obviously, literacy is not a MAGA strong point!

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

3 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

How is it hard for you to understand what should be obvious to anyone but a child?

 

The docs were CLASSIFIED. That means they are not just available anywhere or online. The LAW (law is a quaint concept now seemingly known only to non magats) states that classified docs must be kept in a secure location or SCIF, unless a trail of authorizations (non verbal and certainly not grandfathered) allows them to be removed for some specific and stated official purpose. Mere existence of docs outside of a SCIF or lacking the paper trail of authorization is a felony.

 

Get it?

Not really no. If a person who was not even president was storing top secret and classified documents on an unsecure home server where it was hacked by enemy states and who then went on to physically smash the hard drive with a hammer and bleech-bit to cover it up is NOT a crime, then it's a hard sell to say President Trump having documents locked up at MAL with heavy security is a major crime. It smacks of double standards and lacks logic.

 Complex legal situations are generally determined by precedent which does to your assertions what an iceberg did to an unsinkeable cruise ship.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Not really no. If a person who was not even president was storing top secret and classified documents on an unsecure home server where it was hacked by enemy states and who then went on to physically smash the hard drive with a hammer and bleech-bit to cover it up is NOT a crime, then it's a hard sell to say President Trump having documents locked up at MAL with heavy security is a major crime. It smacks of double standards and lacks logic.

 Complex legal situations are generally determined by precedent which does to your assertions what an iceberg did to an unsinkeable cruise ship.

 

 

You missed the bit where the FBI has in their possession the cctv evidence of documents been moved from the storage room and the bit where they found highly secret docs in Trumps office. The rest of your deflecting rant is nothing to do with this OP

[Walker88]

3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

sometimes a simple picture helps understanding a situation.

Apparently you did not read the SSCI Report on the Mueller probe. Note that when that SSCI Report was released, repubs still controlled the Senate, so the supervising authority was the senior member of SSCI. When the report was begun that was Sen Burr, and when the report was released, it was Sen Rubio.

 

Besides noting that there were at least 10 cases where SSCI agreed 45 could be prosecuted for obstruction of justice, here is one line from that 1000 page report: "[45's] 2016 campaign caused a grave counterintelligence threat to the United States"

 

The NY Post is hardly an authority on anything.

 

Perhaps you care to explain, no doubt citing some authority on par with the NY Post, why in only his first week on the job Campaign Manager manafort was sent to Spain to meet with Konstatin Kilimnik to hand him internal polling data from the 45 campaign. That data was extremely detailed regarding specific voters in key swing States, including employment, spending patterns, income, any memberships, any subscriptions----and algorithms were run on the data which produce conclusions of political leanings. Kilimnik, a russian agent, then handed the data to the Internet Research Agency in St Pete. The IRA is a GRU entity that produces false information. The IRA then used the data Kilimnik gave them to target the Facebook and other social media accounts of voters in those swing States with fake stories about HRC or other Democrats, all with the goal of influencing votes.

 

manafort did not travel to Spain and just happen to run into Kilimnik and just happen to be carrying all that detailed internal polling data, and then say, "Oh Konny, this stuff is interesting, take a look". Of course manafort was given a pardon by 45.

 

Now---if you are capable---think for a minute if this tale had been HRC or Barack Obama's campaign. What would the NY Post say about that?

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Not really no. If a person who was not even president was storing top secret and classified documents on an unsecure home server where it was hacked by enemy states and who then went on to physically smash the hard drive with a hammer and bleech-bit to cover it up is NOT a crime, then it's a hard sell to say President Trump having documents locked up at MAL with heavy security is a major crime. It smacks of double standards and lacks logic.

 Complex legal situations are generally determined by precedent which does to your assertions what an iceberg did to an unsinkeable cruise ship.

 

 

There’s nothing complex about this at all.

 

Trump stole government documents.

Trump refused to return Government documents.

Trump’s lawyers submitted signed statements all subject government documents had been returned.

The FBI obtained evidence that not all documents had been returned.

The FBI showed that evidence to a judge, the judge agreed a search was warranted.

The judge issued a lawful search warrant.

The FBI undertook a lawful search.

The FBI recovered masses of government documents, including TS/SCI documents.

The FBI discovered evidence that some TS/SCI documents may have been ‘disposed of’.

We now learn that amongst the documents recovered by the FBI were nuclear secrets.

 

It’s really  that simple.

 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Walker88]

7 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Not really no. If a person who was not even president was storing top secret and classified documents on an unsecure home server where it was hacked by enemy states and who then went on to physically smash the hard drive with a hammer and bleech-bit to cover it up is NOT a crime, then it's a hard sell to say President Trump having documents locked up at MAL with heavy security is a major crime. It smacks of double standards and lacks logic.

 Complex legal situations are generally determined by precedent which does to your assertions what an iceberg did to an unsinkeable cruise ship.

 

 

Your Whataboutism is inaccurate. But accuracy and reality are not strong points of the cult. Cyber forensics produced zero indication HRC's server was hacked, so the handful of CONFIDENTIAL (lowest classification) docs sent to that server were not obtained by any external source.

 

By the way, MaL is not a SCIF. TS/SCI, HCS, and RD docs cannot be stored outside of a SCIF. That is a felony, the proof being their mere existence. ANYONE who knowingly kept them there---especially if they lied about returning everything---and ANYONE who aided in their transport, is guilty of a felony. Obviously that latter point suggests lots of potential cooperation witnesses.

 

45 even had docs in his office, and not even a cult member would think for a second that 45 cleans his own office. He hires undocumented aliens for that, as the records show. As a former case officer, I know that such people (cleaners in locations where a target works) are prime targets for recruitment. Imagine what the offer of, say, a million dollars would mean to an undocumented and underpaid Salvadorean migrant?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

Your Whataboutism is inaccurate. But accuracy and reality are not strong points of the cult. Cyber forensics produced zero indication HRC's server was hacked, so the handful of CONFIDENTIAL (lowest classification) docs sent to that server were not obtained by any external source.

 

By the way, MaL is not a SCIF. TS/SCI, HCS, and RD docs cannot be stored outside of a SCIF. That is a felony, the proof being their mere existence. ANYONE who knowingly kept them there---especially if they lied about returning everything---and ANYONE who aided in their transport, is guilty of a felony. Obviously that latter point suggests lots of potential cooperation witnesses.

 

45 even had docs in his office, and not even a cult member would think for a second that 45 cleans his own office. He hires undocumented aliens for that, as the records show. As a former case officer, I know that such people (cleaners in locations where a target works) are prime targets for recruitment. Imagine what the offer of, say, a million dollars would mean to an undocumented and underpaid Salvadorean migrant?

Don’t forget it wasn’t just MaL, Trump also took boxes of confidential and secret documents with him on trips to adversary nations.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

39 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Strange far as I remember 2019 has been overtaken by recent events. A redacted DOJ report was released last month which showed Barr lied to Congress. The Mueller report did say that Trump should be charged with obstruction and that there was evidence to show Trump conspired with Russia.

Also last month, Manafort publicly admitted the Trump Campaign did collude with Russia.

 

Suggest you keep up!

 

DOJ Obstruction Memo Reveals Bill Barr Is an Even Bigger Trump Hack Than Previously Thought | Vanity Fair

 

Ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort admits sharing info with Russians | The Independent

 

& regards this investigation this is what Bill Barr thinks of it.

William Barr, on Fox, says there’s no legitimate reason for classified docs to be at Mar-a-Lago and doubts Trump declassified

“Let me just say, I think the driver on this from the beginning was loads of classified information sitting in Mar-a-Lago. People say this [raid] was unprecedented – well, it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club, okay,” Barr said.

“And how long is the government going to try to get that back? They jawboned for a year, they were deceived on the voluntary actions taken, they went and got a subpoena, they were deceived on that they feel, and the facts are starting to show that they were being jerked around,” he added. “And so how long, you know, how long do they wait?”

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/02/politics/barr-trump-documents-fox/index.html

[SunnyinBangrak]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There’s nothing complex about this at all.

 

Trump stole government documents.

Trump refused to return Government documents.

Trump’s lawyers submitted signed statements all subject government documents had been returned.

The FBI obtained evidence that not all documents had been returned.

The FBI showed that evidence to a judge, the judge agreed a search was warranted.

The judge issued a lawful search warrant.

The FBI undertook a lawful search.

The FBI recovered masses of government documents, including TS/SCI documents.

The FBI discovered evidence that some TS/SCI documents may have been ‘disposed of’.

We now learn that amongst the documents recovered by the FBI were nuclear secrets.

 

It’s really  that simple.

 

 

I must have missed the news that Trump has been charged for stealing nuclear secrets? I mean you say the FBI knew what they were looking for, it would have taken an hour max to find what they knew they were looking for in the documents seized when they raided Trumps house. Simple.

 But as we know that is not what happened. And judging by the underhand behavior by the FBI since they spied on his campaign after doctoring evidence to do so any accusations against President Trump should be taken with a large pinch of salt.