Russia appreciates Thailand's understanding of reasons behind special operation — Lavrov

[ChasingTheSun]

34 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You believe that the Ukrainians are eqger to negotiate away a piece of their country and only the US and Nato are preventing it?

There was a peace deal back in May, but Boris Johnson(on behalf of Biden/Nato)told Zelensky to scuttle it in exchange for lots more money and more arms.

 

Ukrainian's are losing the war, with no hope of ever regaining lost territory.
 

Ukraine will likely lose Odessa and the entire black sea coast soon, becoming landlocked, unless Ukraine negotiates a settlement before then.

 

As such, more and more Ukranians will be eager to cut their losses now and negotiate a settlement, if Biden/NATO permit them to do so this time around.

 

 

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by ChasingTheSun

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11 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

There was a peace deal back in May, but Boris Johnson(on behalf of Biden/Nato)told Zelensky to scuttle it in exchange for lots more money and more arms.

 

Ukrainian's are losing the war, with no hope of ever regaining lost territory.
 

Ukraine will likely lose Odessa and the entire black sea coast soon, becoming landlocked, unless Ukraine negotiates a settlement before then.

 

As such, more and more Ukranians will be eager to cut their losses now and negotiate a settlement, if Biden/NATO permit them to do so this time around.

 

Can you share with us a link to what this proposed deal entailed? Did it include Russian withdrawal from the internationaly recognized territory belonging to Ukraine?

As for the Ukrainians losing the war...have you been followiing the news lately? Not even the extremely pro-Russian military bloggers believe that. Quite the contrary actually.

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[billd766]

4 hours ago, lapamita said:

their is  hudge support for " the reasons behind the war"  and  " how the war goes and the consequences " , but their is no hudge support  for the war direct.

The war is the result of  incompetent diplomats ,ever expanding Nato, and Washingtons intrest in controlling world trade in USD , and ignorrance of european politicans.

The war is wrong ..no doubt about

But hudge support now ,for how the war is going, and our media is now not better than in the east, but we blame that we eat the " truth"

Reports of IAEA is even ignorred. and Borell for example seems he never looked at the press conference in full when he said " russia shelling the PP or as the highest EU diplomat says " wars win on the battlefield" . and our Top slut in Germany saying by words " we go until the end and WE( the goverment) dont care what voters thinking"or the slut of vanderlayen " make shake hands with " her new friend asabajev ( asabaichan),well known as a warhead" or the new eu friends saudis  .

 

I prefer to deal with putin ,and try to restore the relations ,instead of a new bloc ( rus/china/india and smaller nations). Russia for me is part of europe was and must be in the future

 

and there is a lot of support

What a very small sad person you are. You managed to say all that about the wests politicians and insulting anybody and everybody,

 

All that without a single link.

 

Russia has NEVER been a part of Europe as the greater part of the country is in Asia.

 

You will never deal with Putin as you are to small and insignificant to even show up on a radar map anywhere, but if that is what you truly believe, then go for it, delusions and all.

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9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Can you share with us a link to what this proposed deal entailed? Did it include Russian withdrawal from the internationaly recognized territory belonging to Ukraine?

As for the Ukrainians losing the war...have you been followiing the news lately? Not even the extremely pro-Russian military bloggers believe that. Quite the contrary actually.

Well, traditionally Russia west of the Urals has been considered part of Europe. And that's where most of the population resides and most industry is to be found..

European Russia (Russian: Европейская Россия, европейская часть России) is the western and most populated part of Russia. It is geographically situated in Europe, as opposed to the country's sparsely populated and vastly larger eastern part, which is situated in Asia, encompassing the entire northern region of the continent. The Ural Mountains divides Russia into two parts, bisecting the Eurasian supercontinent. European Russia covers the vast majority of Eastern Europe, and spans roughly 40% of Europe's total landmass, with over 15% of its total population, making Russia the largest and most populous country in Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Russia

 

Not that any of this excuses Russia for the atrocities it is continuing to commit in Ukraine.

 

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[ChasingTheSun]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Can you share with us a link to what this proposed deal entailed? Did it include Russian withdrawal from the internationaly recognized territory belonging to Ukraine?

As for the Ukrainians losing the war...have you been followiing the news lately? Not even the extremely pro-Russian military bloggers believe that. Quite the contrary actually?

Just google something like “Ukraine peace deal stopped by Boris Johnson.”. There are plenty of articles about it, but unfortunately you probably wont see the Biden/NATO controlled propaganda media outlets talk about it.

 

I suggest you also consider subscribing to the “The New Atlas” on youtube for for some real honest/unbiased/neutral analysis of the conflict. There are other honest/unbiased/neutral outlets as well, but The New Atlas is one of the best sources providing regular updates.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

15 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Ukrainian's are losing the war, with no hope of ever regaining lost territory.
 

Ukraine will likely lose Odessa and the entire black sea coast soon, becoming landlocked, unless Ukraine negotiates a settlement before then.

 

As such, more and more Ukranians will be eager to cut their losses now and negotiate a settlement, if Biden/NATO permit them to do so this time around.

Commenting without doing some basic surface research then. You should check up on the counter offensive that's been going on by the Ukrainians, even Russian media is depressed....lol

 

Feel free to watch them them in their sulking as they watch their Russian fighters leaving through corridors created by Ukraine....lol

 

Watch this roundup of clips, featuring panicked Kremlin propagandists on several state TV programs, discussing impressive gains by Ukraine's Armed Forces in reclaiming control over Ukrainian territory.

 

Also confirmed in many other reports

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

The Poles have not forgotten what it was like the last time Russians ruled over them.

I suspect that they have also not forgotten how the Russians halted their offensive outside Warsaw so that the Nazis, the SS and the Gestapo could eliminate the Polish Jews still fighting there in the ghetto.

 

It is also not forgotten how the Russians refused to let the RAF drop supplies to the ghetto either.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

Typical fascist spouting the usual garbage.

Take no heed. 

Do you know me? 

 

The last time that I looked I was certainly no fascist.

 

I asked a simple question.

 

If your best response is to insult the poster you wasted your time. If you have no answer then don't bother to post.

 

 

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

 

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[voulez vous]

13 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

I suggest you also consider subscribing to the “The New Atlas” on youtube for for some real honest/unbiased/neutral analysis of the conflict. There are other honest/unbiased/neutral outlets as well, but The New Atlas is one of the best sources providing regular updates

https://www.moonofalabama.org/

 

More truth on there than the BBC or CNN.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

 

What has this got to do with China invading Thailand? China has never ever threatened to invade Thailand. Taiwan, yes but Thailand no. So do not create an imaginary bogeyman. The Thai are not stupid.

 

There is a historical link between China and Taiwan; just like Russia and Ukraine; just like North and South Korea; just like North and South Vietnam; just like West and East Germany etc.

 

The last two were united into one country.

China does not need to invade Thailand. Invasions are costly in manpower, materials, destruction and rebuilding costs.

 

China will carry on the way it does now and simply buy Thailand. The rich Thais, in their ignorance and stupidity, will carry on selling it.

[ChasingTheSun]

31 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Commenting without doing some basic surface research then. You should check up on the counter offensive that's been going on by the Ukrainians, even Russian media is depressed....lol

 

Feel free to watch them them in their sulking as they watch their Russian fighters leaving through corridors created by Ukraine....lol

 

Watch this roundup of clips, featuring panicked Kremlin propagandists on several state TV programs, discussing impressive gains by Ukraine's Armed Forces in reclaiming control over Ukrainian territory.

 

Also confirmed in many other reports

It is clear to any neutral observer that Ukrainian kamikaze-style attacks on some small towns were a huge failure for Ukraine militarily.

Ukraine suffered huge losses and hasn't gained any significant territory, if any at all.

 

The timing of the fruitless attacks was also inline with ukraine being given more billions of USA taxpayer money. 
 

The biden/nato controlled propaganda media has quietly stepped back their coverage of the “offensive” as the truth about its failure became obvious.

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12 hours ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Just google something like “Ukraine peace deal stopped by Boris Johnson.”. There are plenty of articles about it, but unfortunately you probably wont see the Biden/NATO controlled propaganda media outlets talk about it.

 

I suggest you also consider subscribing to the “The New Atlas” on youtube for for some real honest/unbiased/neutral analysis of the conflict. There are other honest/unbiased/neutral outlets as well, but The New Atlas is one of the best sources providing regular updates.

 

 

I did a little searching on it.

'But two things happened, after which a member of the Ukrainian delegation, Mykhailo Podoliak, had to openly admit that it was "not the time" for the meeting of the presidents. 

The first thing was the revelation of the atrocities, rapes, murders, massacres, looting, indiscriminate bombings and hundreds and thousands of other war crimes committed by Russian troops in the temporarily occupied Ukrainian territories…

The second "obstacle" to agreements with the Russians arrived in Kyiv on 9 April."'

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/

The second obstacle was Boris Johnson. But, according to the reporting, Johnson didn't order Zelensky to continue or make threats. How could the west actually stop Ukraine from agreeing to halt hostilities? Johnson just pointed out that the West no longer believed that Russia was nearly as strong as was originally feared. That Russia could be beaten. I think events have borne out the truth of that judgement.

ANd please I am not interested in youtube channels. It's been my experience that those who make a habit of recommending videos instead of the written word do so because videos are a lot harder to fact check.

 

 

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[Sydebolle]

Thailand is not known of greased lightnings once it comes to decision-making. 

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7 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

It is clear to any neutral observer that Ukrainian kamikaze-style attacks on some small towns were a huge failure for Ukraine militarily.

Ukraine suffered huge losses and hasn't gained any significant territory, if any at all.

 

The timing of the fruitless attacks was also inline with ukraine being given more billions of USA taxpayer money. 
 

The biden/nato controlled propaganda media has quietly stepped back their coverage of the “offensive” as the truth about its failure became obvious.

"Ukraine suffered huge losses and hasn't gained any significant territory, if any at all."

Really?

Kharkiv offensive: Ukraine enters key town as counter-attack gathers pace

Ukrainian forces have entered the key eastern town of Kupiansk, as their rapid counter-attack makes further gains, officials say.

Kupiansk is a vital supply hub for Russian forces in eastern Ukraine and fell a week after February's invasion.

Ukrainian special forces posted photos to social media which they said showed their officers in the town.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62860774

 

It looks like Ukraine suckered Russia into believing that their main effort was going to be Kherson. This eastern attack is actually far more perilous for the russians since it can cut their supply liines much further back.

[ChasingTheSun]

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

I did a little searching on it.

'But two things happened, after which a member of the Ukrainian delegation, Mykhailo Podoliak, had to openly admit that it was "not the time" for the meeting of the presidents. 

The first thing was the revelation of the atrocities, rapes, murders, massacres, looting, indiscriminate bombings and hundreds and thousands of other war crimes committed by Russian troops in the temporarily occupied Ukrainian territories…

The second "obstacle" to agreements with the Russians arrived in Kyiv on 9 April."'

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/

The second obstacle was Boris Johnson. But, according to the reporting, Johnson didn't order Zelensky to continue or make threats. How could the west actually stop Ukraine from agreeing to halt hostilities? Johnson just pointed out that the West no longer believed that Russia was nearly as strong as was originally feared. That Russia could be beaten. I think events have borne out the truth of that judgement.

ANd please I am not interested in youtube channels. It's been my experience that those who make a habit of recommending videos instead of the written word do so because videos are a lot harder to fact check.

 

 

Its good that you now know the peace deal was scuttled. Keep reading more sources and you get a clearer picture of how biden/nato pressure on Zelensky has unnecessarily cost allot of lives and treasure..

 

if you want knowledge, you need to keep an open mind and listen to many sources of information about the conflict. Neutral sources are usually the best bet for truth.

 

Refusing to hear accurate neutral/unbiased information is not going to help if you are truly on a quest for the truth. Nobody can help you if you refuse to even listen.

 

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Just now, ChasingTheSun said:

Its good that you now know the peace deal was scuttled. Keep reading more sources and you get a clearer picture of how biden/nato pressure on Zelensky has unnecessarily cost allot of lives and treasure..

 

if you want knowledge, you need to keep an open mind and listen to many sources of information about the conflict. Neutral sources are usually the best bet for truth.

 

Refusing to hear accurate neutral/unbiased information is not going to help if you are truly on a quest for the truth. Nobody can help you if you refuse to even listen.

 

Like the "neutral sources" that claimed the Russian campaign against Kiev wasn't really a campaign against Kiev and went according to plan?

[ChasingTheSun]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

"Ukraine suffered huge losses and hasn't gained any significant territory, if any at all."

Really?

Kharkiv offensive: Ukraine enters key town as counter-attack gathers pace

Ukrainian forces have entered the key eastern town of Kupiansk, as their rapid counter-attack makes further gains, officials say.

Kupiansk is a vital supply hub for Russian forces in eastern Ukraine and fell a week after February's invasion.

Ukrainian special forces posted photos to social media which they said showed their officers in the town.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62860774

 

It looks like Ukraine suckered Russia into believing that their main effort was going to be Kherson. This eastern attack is actually far more perilous for the russians since it can cut their supply liines much further back.

Some small towns changing  hands is normal during a war. 
 

just keep you eye on the big picture of how Russia is slowly and methodically creeping across the map of Ukraine, annexing new territory month by month.
 

Overall, its all going to plan for the Russians.

 

 

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1 minute ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Some small towns changing  hands is normal during a war. 
 

just keep you eye on the big picture of how Russia is slowly and methodically creeping across the map of Ukraine, annexing new territory month by month.
 

Overall, its all going to plan for the Russians.

 

 

So the western campaign went according to plan? The Russians never meant to take Kiev?

Is the capture of Kupiansk your idea of something insignificant?

Ukraine recaptures Kupiansk potentially trapping thousands of Russian troops
The town is where rail lines linking Russia to eastern Ukraine converge meaning soldiers could be cut off from supplies to Ukraine’s benefit

Ukrainian troops have captured Kupiansk, the main railway city that has supplied Russian forces in northeastern Ukraine, as a collapse in Russia’s frontline threatened to turn into a rout.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/10/ukraine-recaptures-kupiansk-potentially-trapping-thousands-russian/

[JoseThailand]

15 hours ago, Mbaki said:

Good to see some countries staying neutral and not relying on western propaganda.

They simply need Russian tourists. Just business.

[anandra]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

I suspect that they have also not forgotten how the Russians halted their offensive outside Warsaw so that the Nazis, the SS and the Gestapo could eliminate the Polish Jews still fighting there in the ghetto.

 

It is also not forgotten how the Russians refused to let the RAF drop supplies to the ghetto either.

 The soviets and nazi germany were allies in the beginnig, Great Britain started the war in 1939, wHILE the soviets hold the parades with fascist Germany army. Just have a look at the parade in Brest, nazis with the soviet army . Serach in wiki

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, ChasingTheSun said:

I suggest you also consider subscribing to the “The New Atlas” on youtube for for some real honest/unbiased/neutral analysis of the conflict. There are other honest/unbiased/neutral outlets as well, but The New Atlas is one of the best sources providing regular updates.

Full tin foil hat mode with your favourite youtube channel The New Atlas. Now I see were you get your distorted and false information.

CONSPIRACY BLOGGER ‘TONY CARTALUCCI’ REVEALS HIS IDENTITY

 

36 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

It is clear to any neutral observer that Ukrainian kamikaze-style attacks on some small towns were a huge failure for Ukraine militarily.

 

You're certainly NOT a neutral observer

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[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Some small towns changing  hands is normal during a war. 
 

just keep you eye on the big picture of how Russia is slowly and methodically creeping across the map of Ukraine, annexing new territory month by month.
 

Overall, its all going to plan for the Russians.

 

 

Team Putin Admits Their Worst Case Scenario Is Coming True

Pro-Kremlin propagandists have lost that bit of joy as well, given that as of Thursday, Ukraine has retaken Balakliya—a strategically important city. During a briefing in Kyiv, Ukrainian Brigadier General Oleksiy Gromov said that Ukraine had retaken about 700 square kilometers of territory in both the east and south of the country.

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5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Team Putin Admits Their Worst Case Scenario Is Coming True

Pro-Kremlin propagandists have lost that bit of joy as well, given that as of Thursday, Ukraine has retaken Balakliya—a strategically important city. During a briefing in Kyiv, Ukrainian Brigadier General Oleksiy Gromov said that Ukraine had retaken about 700 square kilometers of territory in both the east and south of the country.

That's already old news. The subsequent capture of Kupiansk has huge strategic significance. And the eyewitness reports of Russian troops fleeing en masse is significant as well

[anandra]

1 minute ago, JoseThailand said:

They simply need Russian tourists. Just business.

Russian tourists brother are in extreme poverty now. 

[Lacessit]

22 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Some small towns changing  hands is normal during a war. 
 

just keep you eye on the big picture of how Russia is slowly and methodically creeping across the map of Ukraine, annexing new territory month by month.
 

Overall, its all going to plan for the Russians.

 

 

What plan is that? Getting multiple supply depots, command posts and bridges destroyed by Ukrainian HIMARS units? Being forced to supply 20,000 stranded Russians with helicopters? Having Russian holidaymakers evacuating Crimea? Is it part of Putin's master plan to lose an embarrassing number of flag officers, and ask North Korea for 100,000 troops?

I've seen some absolute drivel posted on this thread, yours takes first prize.

[MrJ2U]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

 

I asked a simple question.

Actually I was agreeing with you.  I meant the person whom you were directing the question to.

 

Sorry for the misunderstanding. 

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It's reported that Russian troops have now fled Izyum, which was their major staging point for taking Donbas.

 

Ukrainian troops enter Izium, Kharkiv Oblast

A video emerged of Ukrainian social media showing the Ukrainian troops securing the checkpoint at the entrance to the city of Izium, Kharkiv Oblast. The narrator in the video says that the Ukrainian troops are already in the city:

Ukrainian officials haven’t yet confirmed the liberation of the key city of Izium, which has been the second major goal of the ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kharkiv Oblast.

Earlier today Russian Telegram channels linked to the Russian military claimed that the Russian forces have already abandoned Izium

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/10/ukrainian-troops-enter-izium-kharkiv-oblast-video/

 

[ChasingTheSun]

28 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

What plan is that? Getting multiple supply depots, command posts and bridges destroyed by Ukrainian HIMARS units? Being forced to supply 20,000 stranded Russians with helicopters? Having Russian holidaymakers evacuating Crimea? Is it part of Putin's master plan to lose an embarrassing number of flag officers, and ask North Korea for 100,000 troops?

I've seen some absolute drivel posted on this thread, yours takes first prize.

You are living in a USA/NATO propaganda fantasy land of denial/delusion if you somehow think the Russians are not winning this conflict and systematically destroying what remains of the Ukraine forces.

 

You may not like the fact that Russia is winning, but you don’t need to pretend that Ukraine is winning.

No amount of USA/NATO propoganda or weapons will help Ukraine when Russia has taken odessa and made Ukraine a landlocked country. The only question is when does Russia want to take Odessa ?

[voulez vous]

"""Russia is grateful to Thailand for an objective assessment of the events in Ukraine and understanding of the true causes of the situation in the international arena, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Tuesday at a news conference following talks with Thai Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Don Pramudwinai."""

 

Reckon Thailand got it spot on over the conflict. And no Lao Kow to be seen on the table.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

You are living in a USA/NATO propaganda fantasy land of denial/delusion if you somehow think the Russians are not winning this conflict and systematically destroying what remains of the Ukraine forces.

 

You may not like the fact that Russia is winning, but you don’t need to pretend that Ukraine is winning.

No amount of USA/NATO propoganda or weapons will help Ukraine when Russia has taken odessa and made Ukraine a landlocked country. The only question is when does Russia want to take Odessa ?

You mean Russia hasn't wanted to take Odesa? Just like it didn't want to take Kiev?

And are you claiming that Ukrainian troops haven't captured Kupiansk and Izyum?