Russia appreciates Thailand's understanding of reasons behind special operation — Lavrov

[ChasingTheSun]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You mean Russia hasn't wanted to take Odesa? Just like it didn't want to take Kiev?

And are you claiming that Ukrainian troops haven't captured Kupiansk and Izyum? 

As expected, there is some back and forth in areas, but the overall map of Ukraine is getting smaller as Russia continues to take territory. 

 

There is allot of speculation that Russia wants Odessa. Would probably make sense for them to take it…unless Ukraine gets back to the negotiating table soon. 
 

Edited September 10, 2022 by ChasingTheSun

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4 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

There is some back and forth in areas, but the overall map or Ukraine continues to become Russian territory. 

 

There is allot of speculation that Russia wants Odessa. Would probably make sense for them to take it…unless Ukraine gets back to the negotiating table soon. 
 

Back and forth? 2 major military locations have just been taken from the Russians. Eyewitness reports said Russian troops fled. Their supply lines are gravely imperiled. I'm sure from a Russian point of view it has always made sense to take Odesa. So what's been standing in their way? What stood in their way that kept them from taking Kiev?

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[voulez vous]

26 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

No amount of USA/NATO propaganda or weapons will help Ukraine when Russia has taken Odessa and made Ukraine a landlocked country. The only question is when does Russia want to take Odessa ?

The only fly-in-the-ointment I can see for Russia, is that as they liberate larger and larger areas, they will be subject to the renegade attacks that have been seen recently. And unfortunately these attacks are hurting non-combatants unnecessarily. They are broadcast in the west's MSM as great advances - even victories - but in reality they are nothing of the sort. Just pin-pricks on a bear.

 

According to a respected American war/conflict/military analyst, the casualty for civilians is extremely low (25-1) and the casualty ratio for the conflict is in the order of 5-1.

 

As for taking Odessa. There is no rush from the Russians. The general feeling is that it will be the New Year before they put in a concerted advance.

Edited September 10, 2022 by voulez vous

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1 minute ago, voulez vous said:

The only fly-in-the-ointment I can see for Russia, is that as they liberate larger and larger areas, they will be subject to the renegade attacks that have been seen recently Unfortunately these attacks are hurting non-combatants unnecessarily. They are broadcast in the west's MSM as great advances - even victories - but in reality they are nothing of the sort. Just pin-pricks on a bear.

 

According to a respected American war/conflict/military analyst, the casualty for civilians is extremely low (25-1) and the casualty ratio for the conflict is in the order of 5-1.

 

As for taking Odessa. There is no rush from the Russians. The general feeling is that it will be the New Year before they put in a concerted advance.

No rush? As the USA pours increasingly advanced weapons systems into Ukraine, and Ukrainian troops keep on getting trained to a higher standard it looks to me like time is running out for the Russians. Unless they resort to nukes, which I wouldn't put past them. Keep in mind that the Ukrainians are fighting for cultural survival. The Russians have made very clear that they want not just to conquer Ukraine, but make its culture disappear.

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

As expected, there is some back and forth in areas, but the overall map of Ukraine is getting smaller as Russia continues to take territory. 

 

There is allot of speculation that Russia wants Odessa. Would probably make sense for them to take it…unless Ukraine gets back to the negotiating table soon. 
 

Check the maps again, AFU (Armed Forces of Ukraine) has liberated more territory in three days than Putin's troops captured in a four-month "offensive"

[ChasingTheSun]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Back and forth? 2 major military locations have just been taken from the Russians. Eyewitness reports said Russian troops fled. Their supply lines are gravely imperiled. I'm sure from a Russian point of view it has always made sense to take Odesa. So what's been standing in their way? What stood in their way that kept them from taking Kiev?

There is allot of fake propaganda “reports” out there on a daily basis. Who knows, perhaps the Ukrainians won a battle, or didn’t.
 

Focus on the territorial map and how it has changed month to month. Thats how you will know who is winning the war.

 

Russia could have easily destroyed ALL the  vital infrastructure of Ukraine in one or two days after the start of the war using airpower and missiles, but they didn’t. They obviously have a strategic plan for the conflict.

 

Russia will let us all know when they are done taking territory.

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, ChasingTheSun said:

There is allot of fake propaganda “reports” out there on a daily basis. Who knows, perhaps the Ukrainians won a battle, or didn’t.
 

Focus on the territorial map and how it has changed month to month. Thats how you will know who is winning the war.

 

Russia could have easily destroyed ALL the  vital infrastructure of Ukraine in one or two days after the start of the war using airpower and missiles, but they didn’t. They obviously have a strategic plan for the conflict.

 

Russia will let us all know when they are done taking territory.

 

The Russian MOD (Ministry of Defeat) has already acknowledged the withdrawal of its troops from Balakliya and Izyum

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5 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

There is allot of fake propaganda “reports” out there on a daily basis. Who knows, perhaps the Ukrainians won a battle, or didn’t.
 

Focus on the territorial map and how it has changed month to month. Thats how you will know who is winning the war.

 

Russia could have easily destroyed ALL the  vital infrastructure of Ukraine in one or two days after the start of the war using airpower and missiles, but they didn’t. They obviously have a strategic plan for the conflict.

 

Russia will let us all know when they are done taking territory.

 

This is truly bizarre. You mean they subjected their troops to months of misery (not to mention the Ukrainians) when they could have completed this in a few days? They lost lots of men and material in the early day of the war when they were advancing on Kiev and just decided not to go farther because that was part of their plan? 

[voulez vous]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

No rush? As the USA pours increasingly advanced weapons systems into Ukraine, and Ukrainian troops keep on getting trained to a higher standard it looks to me like time is running out for the Russians. Unless they resort to nukes, which I wouldn't put past them. Keep in mind that the Ukrainians are fighting for cultural survival. The Russians have made very clear that they want not just to conquer Ukraine, but make its culture disappear.

No rush at all. The Russians are not in the business of unnecessary hurting civilians.

 

Advanced weapons? What is not being sold off on the internet is being mostly destroyed before it reaches the front line. Some does get there, but is easily dealt with it seems. The west is simply handing weapons over with no audit trail.

 

The Ukrainians are not fighting for cultural survival. This is nonsense to say this. The areas liberated so far - and those soon to be - are mostly Russian speakers and supporters.

 

One of the aims of the special operation was to de-nazify the country. The three most Nazi battalions , Azov, Kracken, (can't remember what the other one is called) have been splintered, but not yet destroyed.

[ChasingTheSun]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

This is truly bizarre. You mean they subjected their troops to months of misery (not to mention the Ukrainians) when they could have completed this in a few days? They lost lots of men and material in the early day of the war when they were advancing on Kiev and just decided not to go farther because that was part of their plan? 

Again, you are following Biden/NATO propaganda as if its true.

 

Try to be neutral and take an objective view.

 

Drinking the coolaid ain’t gonna save all those people in Ukraine.

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10 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

There is allot of fake propaganda “reports” out there on a daily basis. Who knows, perhaps the Ukrainians won a battle, or didn’t.
 

Focus on the territorial map and how it has changed month to month. Thats how you will know who is winning the war.

 

Russia could have easily destroyed ALL the  vital infrastructure of Ukraine in one or two days after the start of the war using airpower and missiles, but they didn’t. They obviously have a strategic plan for the conflict.

 

Russia will let us all know when they are done taking territory.

 

It's pretty likely that Russia will be the last to know. And the last to acknowledge their reversals. Time is definitely not on their side.

[Monolith]

Gutless pricks. Do the right thing. 

[coolcarer]

3 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Ukrainian soldiers and their weapons are being destroyed faster than they can be trained/replaced.

 

Russia has many times more trained troops and much more sophisticated weapons in battle and in reserve. The russian equipment is as good or much better than anything the Ukrainians could ever get.

 

Most of the money being sent to Ukraine is disappearing. Most of the arms being sent to ukraine are being resold on the black market, and never make it to the soldiers. Its a giant money laundering wild west over there.

Is that why Russia had to go cap in hand to North Korea to buy its shells for their artillery recently?

[coolcarer]

3 minutes ago, voulez vous said:

No rush at all. The Russians are not in the business of unnecessary hurting civilians.

 

Advanced weapons? What is not being sold off on the internet is being mostly destroyed before it reaches the front line. Some does get there, but is easily dealt with it seems. The west is simply handing weapons over with no audit trail.

 

The Ukrainians are not fighting for cultural survival. This is nonsense to say this. The areas liberated so far - and those soon to be - are mostly Russian speakers and supporters.

 

One of the aims of the special operation was to de-nazify the country. The three most Nazi battalions , Azov, Kracken, (can't remember what the other one is called) have been splintered, but not yet destroyed.

Ok Vlad,

 

[ChasingTheSun]

Just now, coolcarer said:

Is that why Russia had to go cap in hand to North Korea to buy its shells for their artillery recently?

It is entirely normal for friendly countries to buy and sell weapons from each other. 

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3 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Ukrainian soldiers and their weapons are being destroyed faster than they can be trained/replaced.

 

Russia has many times more trained troops and much more sophisticated weapons in battle and in reserve. The russian equipment is as good or much better than anything the Ukrainians could ever get.

 

Most of the money being sent to Ukraine is disappearing. Most of the arms being sent to ukraine are being resold on the black market, and never make it to the soldiers. Its a giant money laundering wild west over there.

This is of course Russian propaganda. Not even the Russians claim that their weaponry is superior to what the Ukrainians are getting from the West. In fact all this is just opposite to the facts. Tell us, what would be your criteris for conceding that the Russians are in retreat and losing control of territory?

[voulez vous]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's pretty likely that Russia will be the last to know. And the last to acknowledge their reversals. Time is definitely not on their side.

Let's see how public opinion is after a winter of rising prices and misery in the cold. Time is not on the west's side.

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2 minutes ago, voulez vous said:

Let's see how public opinion is after a winter of rising prices and misery in the cold. Time is not on the west's side.

Actually prices have been declining and natural gas storage has gone far better than expected. And most of the weaponry is coming from the USA.

[ChasingTheSun]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This is of course Russian propaganda. Not even the Russians claim that their weaponry is superior to what the Ukrainians are getting from the West. In fact all this is just opposite to the facts. Tell us, what would be your criteris for conceding that the Russians are in retreat and losing control of territory?

If you google it, you can see objective comparison/analysis of equipment.

 

Russian has ample equipment and it is equal or superior in all cases. Thats a fact.

 

 

 

[coolcarer]

4 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

It is entirely normal for friendly countries to buy and sell weapons from each other. 

But you said they had plenty in reserve, not only plenty but also more sophisticated, ok got it

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Just now, ChasingTheSun said:

If you google it, you can see objective comparison/analysis of equipment.

 

Russian has ample equipment and it is equal or superior in all cases. Thats a fact.

 

 

 

Because Russia has such an advanced economy? Because their chip technology is the equal of any other country in the world. In the wreckage of some of their fighter jets they found GPS devices meant for civilian use taped to their control panels. There is no way an economy as small as Russia's and so much of which depends on raw materials, can be as advanced as the western economies and the advanced asian economies are..

[Lacessit]

55 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

You are living in a USA/NATO propaganda fantasy land of denial/delusion if you somehow think the Russians are not winning this conflict and systematically destroying what remains of the Ukraine forces.

 

You may not like the fact that Russia is winning, but you don’t need to pretend that Ukraine is winning.

No amount of USA/NATO propoganda or weapons will help Ukraine when Russia has taken odessa and made Ukraine a landlocked country. The only question is when does Russia want to take Odessa ?

Delusional. Trolling. On ignore now, so i won't be reading any more of your bilge.

[ChasingTheSun]

1 minute ago, coolcarer said:

But you said they had plenty in reserve, not only plenty but also more sophisticated, ok got it

Normal for armies to manage inventory buy/sell. They have been trading weapons for decades.

 

Most observers don’t consider artillery shells as very “sophisticated”.
 

[voulez vous]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually prices have been declining and natural gas storage has gone far better than expected. And most of the weaponry is coming from the USA.

That's good then. All Europe has to do is get off their knees to the US and get the gas turned on to help their people. The pipes are waiting. Easy peasy.

 

The US couldn't care less about Europe. It just wants it to do as it's told. It's aim is to TRY to weaken Russia AMAP, in any way possible, They have not wanted to play ball since Pres Yeltsin sold off the family silver.

[coolcarer]

6 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Normal for armies to manage inventory buy/sell. They have been trading weapons for decades.

 

Most observers don’t consider artillery shells as very “sophisticated”.
 

Since when has Russia bought artillery shells from North Korea before?  Maybe they could also ask NK for what’s needed to insert air bags into the cars their producing because they are currently manufacturing them without them.

 

you’ve obviously not heard of guided artillery shells then, shame Ukraine are using them in the HIMARS

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10 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

If you google it, you can see objective comparison/analysis of equipment.

 

Russian has ample equipment and it is equal or superior in all cases. Thats a fact.

 

 

 

The problem is, that even if I were to google it, most of these evaluations took place before the Ukraine war. Now that the world has seen how the Russian soldiers and Russian materiel actually perform, the unanimous verdict, apart from a few besotted Russophiles, is that Russian military capability is greatly overrated.

[ChasingTheSun]

2 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Since when has Russia bought artillery shells from North Korea before? 

Nobody even knows if the recent report of Russia buying shells from Korea is true, or just another false biden/nato propaganda report.

 

however, it would indeed be completely normal to trade arms among friends.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, ChasingTheSun said:

There was a peace deal back in May, but Boris Johnson(on behalf of Biden/Nato)told Zelensky to scuttle it in exchange for lots more money and more arms.

 

Ukrainian's are losing the war, with no hope of ever regaining lost territory.
 

Ukraine will likely lose Odessa and the entire black sea coast soon, becoming landlocked, unless Ukraine negotiates a settlement before then.

 

As such, more and more Ukranians will be eager to cut their losses now and negotiate a settlement, if Biden/NATO permit them to do so this time around.

 

 

 

This is when I really miss the laughter emoticon.

 

I read this and wonder where your information comes from Fox News and the alternative/social media come to mind.

 

Conspiracy theories by the bucket load with little evidence to back it up.

 

Still if it keeps you happy, it certainly makes me laugh.

 

 

2 hours ago, anandra said:

 

 

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Nobody even knows if the recent report of Russia buying shells from Korea is true, or just another false biden/nato propaganda report.

 

however, it would indeed be completely normal to trade arms among friends.

Oh right but then you get your info from New Atlas ????

[ChasingTheSun]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The problem is, that even if I were to google it, most of these evaluations took place before the Ukraine war. Now that the world has seen how the Russian soldiers and Russian materiel actually perform, the unanimous verdict, apart from a few besotted Russophiles, is that Russian military capability is greatly overrated.

Almost all neutral observers recognize that Russia is slowly and methodically taking territory and doing its best to avoid civilian casualties along the way.

 

The slow part saves civilians and unnecessary russian troop casualties.

 

biden/nato propagandist media will always do their best to downplay russian success.