Sweden election: Gang shootings cast shadow over vote

[Scott]

Gang violence and gun crime have increased in Sweden in recent years

 

A sharp rise in gun violence and gang crime has become a leading issue in what Sweden's media have described as one of the ugliest election campaigns in history.

"Right at this spot here we had a shooting about this time last year," says Martin Gunér, a police officer in the suburb of Gottsunda, just a 15-minute drive from the medieval spires of the university city of Uppsala.

Gottsunda is notorious for drugs and gun battles, and classified by police as one of the 10 most vulnerable areas in Sweden.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62823893

 

[Scott]

Also of interest:
 

Sweden election: Result could take days as vote too close to call

Sweden's election was too close to call on Sunday night, Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said.

Exit polls at first predicted victory for the incumbent left-wing coalition, but results later suggested the right-wing bloc could narrowly win.

Crime and integration of communities were major issues in the campaign, and the far-right Sweden Democrats look set to become the second-largest party.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62872545

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62872545

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Scott said:

Gottsunda is notorious for drugs and gun battles, and classified by police as one of the 10 most vulnerable areas in Sweden.

I did a google search on that place and it seems as if it's a high rise "slum" area for the undesirables of society.

What did the planners think would happen if they corralled lots of poor people in that sort of area? Out of sight, out of mind perhaps.

[Atlantis]

Compared to other developed nations, Sweden is/was very much a centre-left country.

 

The fact that the hard-right has made such strides in the most recent election indicates, once again, the bone-headed overreach by the cultural progressive left.

 

Why they felt their tiny little country had to do such heavy lifting when it came to refugees is baffling. White Knight syndrome, ignorance, or simply not giving a <deleted> about their native population.

 

What an unfortunate mess they are in now. If they’d taken a more sensible approach to immigration, they could have had their cake and eaten it too.

[JonnyF]

It would appear that the Swedes are also not huge fans of the failed policies of clueless, left wing governments.

 

https://www.dw.com/en/swedens-election-the-astonishing-rise-of-the-right-wing-sweden-democrats/a-63100694

 

[JonnyF]

So the results are in. Massive shock as the Swedes made their feelings known about the uncontrolled immigration allowed by the previous government by voting in the right wing parties.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62908902

 

More bad news for the EU. 

[herfiehandbag]

On 9/15/2022 at 10:47 AM, JonnyF said:

So the results are in. Massive shock as the Swedes made their feelings known about the uncontrolled immigration allowed by the previous government by voting in the right wing parties.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62908902

 

More bad news for the EU. 

I am sure that the EU will in due course declare that Sweden can no longer be considered a democracy...

[JonnyF]

10 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

I am sure that the EU will in due course declare that Sweden can no longer be considered a democracy...

Come budget time, funds will no doubt be diverted to countries with a more “appropriate” government.

[stevenl]

10 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

I am sure that the EU will in due course declare that Sweden can no longer be considered a democracy...

 

24 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Come budget time, funds will no doubt be diverted to countries with a more “appropriate” government.

Very consistent in supporting (would be) dictators, I give you that.

[pegman]

As I remember the right-wing block  couldn't put together a governing coalition last election. Just as likely to have the same outcome this time. The four right wing parties got half a percentage point more of the popular vote than the left block. Not exactly a landslide.  The left Social Democrats are still the party with the most popular vote and seats both of which increased this election.  Far right Sweden Democrats do not lead in any demographic.  

[candide]

4 hours ago, stevenl said:

 

Very consistent in supporting (would be) dictators, I give you that.

It's quite interesting to see that Brexiteers, who are supposed to be proud of the British democratic system, have no problem when other countries, such as Hungary, trample underfoot the basic democratic principles that UK brought to the world, such as the independence of the judiciary and the media.

[nauseus]

12 hours ago, candide said:

It's quite interesting to see that Brexiteers, who are supposed to be proud of the British democratic system, have no problem when other countries, such as Hungary, trample underfoot the basic democratic principles that UK brought to the world, such as the independence of the judiciary and the media.

I don't think that the "media" was the prime concern of the British, as they advanced democracy.

 

Sweden just had a democratic vote. Why complain? That the right has an increased share of that vote is a reflection of rising concerns about the increase in violence and violent crime there.   

[JonnyF]

20 hours ago, pegman said:

As I remember the right-wing block  couldn't put together a governing coalition last election. Just as likely to have the same outcome this time. The four right wing parties got half a percentage point more of the popular vote than the left block. Not exactly a landslide.  The left Social Democrats are still the party with the most popular vote and seats both of which increased this election.  Far right Sweden Democrats do not lead in any demographic.  

Maybe you could have a "people's vote" to try to reverse the Democratic will of the Swedish people?

[Slip]

17 hours ago, candide said:

It's quite interesting to see that Brexiteers, who are supposed to be proud of the British democratic system, have no problem when other countries, such as Hungary, trample underfoot the basic democratic principles that UK brought to the world, such as the independence of the judiciary and the media.

Brexiteers have no interest in democracy.  Why else do you think they delivered the UK into the hands of the ERG?  Why did they allow Putin to meddle in 'their democratic process'?  Why do they cheer as the citizens' natural assets and rights are stripped from them?  I know you know this already Candide, but how can they worry about the democratic principles of europe whilst their own emancipation is being stripped from them?

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 hours ago, Slip said:

Brexiteers have no interest in democracy.  Why else do you think they delivered the UK into the hands of the ERG?  Why did they allow Putin to meddle in 'their democratic process'?  Why do they cheer as the citizens' natural assets and rights are stripped from them?  I know you know this already Candide, but how can they worry about the democratic principles of europe whilst their own emancipation is being stripped from them?

Completely off topic 

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, Slip said:

Brexiteers have no interest in democracy.  Why else do you think they delivered the UK into the hands of the ERG?  Why did they allow Putin to meddle in 'their democratic process'?  Why do they cheer as the citizens' natural assets and rights are stripped from them?  I know you know this already Candide, but how can they worry about the democratic principles of europe whilst their own emancipation is being stripped from them?

Can you back up any of this? 

[JonnyF]

On 9/18/2022 at 2:25 AM, candide said:

It's quite interesting to see that Brexiteers, who are supposed to be proud of the British democratic system, have no problem when other countries, such as Hungary, trample underfoot the basic democratic principles that UK brought to the world, such as the independence of the judiciary and the media.

This thread is about Sweden voting in a right wing government to replace the failed policies of the Left.

 

Why are you babbling on about Brexit and Hungary?

[candide]

On 9/17/2022 at 5:57 AM, herfiehandbag said:

I am sure that the EU will in due course declare that Sweden can no longer be considered a democracy...

 

On 9/17/2022 at 4:05 PM, JonnyF said:

Come budget time, funds will no doubt be diverted to countries with a more “appropriate” government.

 

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

This thread is about Sweden voting in a right wing government to replace the failed policies of the Left.

 

Why are you babbling on about Brexit and Hungary?

You don't see?

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

 

 

You don't see?

I see how you are trying to divert the thread into a whinge about losing the Brexit referendum over 6 years ago, yes.

[candide]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I see how you are trying to divert the thread into a whinge about losing the Brexit referendum over 6 years ago, yes.

The two quotes were included in the post by Stevenl, to which I replied. They have in common that:

- they obviously refer to the case of Hungary. It's you who introduced Hungary in the debate,

- they also insinuate that Hungary was punished because of its policy towards immigration, and not because of its restrictions to the independence of the judiciary and the media. This is a claim only made by Brexiteers (when the posters are British, of course).

[Slip]

10 hours ago, nauseus said:

Can you back up any of this? 

Yes.  As can you very easily by a simple bit of digging.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Slip said:

Yes.  As can you very easily by a simple bit of digging.

He was asking you to back up your claims 

[Mac Mickmanus]

15 minutes ago, candide said:

The two quotes were included in the post by Stevenl, to which I replied. They have in common that:

- they obviously refer to the case of Hungary. It's you who introduced Hungary in the debate,

- they also insinuate that Hungary was punished because of its policy towards immigration, and not because of its restrictions to the independence of the judiciary and the media. This is a claim only made by Brexiteers (when the posters are British, of course).

This thread is about Sweden 

[candide]

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

This thread is about Sweden 

Tell it also to the other posters who referred to the issues met by Hungary in their posts.

Edited September 19, 2022 by candide

[herfiehandbag]

47 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I see how you are trying to divert the thread into a whinge about losing the Brexit referendum over 6 years ago, yes.

How does it go - if I can paraphrase the chant from George Orwell's "Animal Farm":

" EU good, Hungary bad,

EU good, Sweden bad,

EU good, Brexit bad"

[candide]

18 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

How does it go - if I can paraphrase the chant from George Orwell's "Animal Farm":

" EU good, Hungary bad,

EU good, Sweden bad,

EU good, Brexit bad"

Kind of disrespectful comparison for Sweden, it seems! 

Edited September 19, 2022 by candide